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De_Luffy
post Mar 7 2018, 11:47 AM

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This thread has gone overboard with all arguing about their theology and idea that should be preached, this must stop one more time I see similar posting straight to the report button
Nobody is interested to have fellowship with each other but rather all I see here is arguments. Better report the post or closed it for few days. You want argument go RWI, this is not your place to argue. mad.gif
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post Mar 7 2018, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Mar 7 2018, 02:12 PM)
Sorry De Luffy, I'm not trying to argue but will point out some inconsistencies.

2 Timothy 3:16 no where mentioned Bible alone. It means it is "profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness". The problem is some people adding "alone" 1500 years later. 2 Thes 2:15 says "Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle"

"Praying to the dead" is vastly different from "praying FOR the dead". And if you mean asking the Blessed Virgin and the saints and departed Christians to pray for us because they are dead, perhaps they are only dead physically but they are certainly ALIVE IN CHRIST.

FYI, God already has an image when He became incarnate as Man about 2000 years ago. icon_rolleyes.gif

John 20:20 Jesus told His Apostles: "Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained. " If someone does not confess their sins, how will they know which sins to forgive?

Regarding celibacy: Even today celibacy is not the rule for all Catholic priests. In fact, for Eastern Rite Catholics, married priests are the norm, just as they are for Orthodox and Oriental Christians. Even in the Eastern churches, though, there have always been some restrictions on marriage and ordination. Although married men may become priests, unmarried priests may not marry, and married priests, if widowed, may not remarry. Moreover, there is an ancient Eastern discipline of choosing bishops from the ranks of the celibate monks, so their bishops are all unmarried. Nowadays with the Anglican Ordinariate, we also have married priests who converted from Anglicanism. Not everyone is called to the priesthood, just because you want to, doesn't mean you can. It is a calling, a vocation.

So far from "commanding" marriage in 1 Corinthians 7, in that very chapter Paul actually endorses celibacy for those capable of it: "To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is well for them to remain single as I am. But if they cannot exercise self-control, they should marry. For it is better to marry than to be aflame with passion" (7:8-9). It is only because of this "temptation to immorality" (7:2) that Paul gives the teaching about each man and woman having a spouse and giving each other their "conjugal rights" (7:3); he specifically clarifies, "I say this by way of concession, not of command. I wish that all were as I myself am. But each has his own special gift from God, one of one kind and one of another" (7:6-7, emphasis added). Paul even goes on to make a case for preferring celibacy to marriage: "Are you free from a wife? Do not seek marriage. . . those who marry will have worldly troubles, and I would spare you that. . . . The unmarried man is anxious about the affairs of the Lord, how to please the Lord; but the married man is anxious about worldly affairs, how to please his wife, and his interests are divided. And the unmarried woman or girl is anxious about the affairs of the Lord, how to be holy in body and spirit; but the married woman is anxious about worldly affairs, how to please her husband" (7:27-34).

Paul’s conclusion: He who marries "does well; and he who refrains from marriage will do better" (7:38).

Paul was not the first apostle to conclude that celibacy is, in some sense, "better" than marriage. After Jesus’ teaching in Matthew 19 on divorce and remarriage, the disciples exclaimed, "If such is the case between a man and his wife, it is better not to marry" (Matt 19:10). This remark prompted Jesus’ teaching on the value of celibacy "for the sake of the kingdom":

"Not all can accept this word, but only those to whom it is granted. Some are incapable of marriage because they were born so; some, because they were made so by others; some, because they have renounced marriage for the sake of the kingdom of God. Whoever can accept this ought to accept it" (Matt. 19:11–12).

Notice that this sort of celibacy "for the sake of the kingdom" is a gift, a call that is not granted to all, or even most people, but is granted to some. Other people are called to marriage. It is true that too often individuals in both vocations fall short of the requirements of their state, but this does not diminish either vocation, nor does it mean that the individuals in question were "not really called" to that vocation. The sin of a priest doesn’t necessarily prove that he never should have taken a vow of celibacy, any more than the sin of a married man or woman proves that he or she never should have gotten married. It is possible for us to fall short of our own true calling.
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Yeeck, I'm not against anyone but rather I'm sad to see a good fellowship page gone rogue or stray away from it true vision. Argument only led to argument and it won't end. Someone has to put a stop on this
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post Mar 7 2018, 03:23 PM

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Prosperity does exist but the Gospel it's does exist but the Gospel teaching is not about money but about family and blessings

Prosperity also means blessing
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post Mar 7 2018, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Mar 7 2018, 04:10 PM)
If you want to take over moderation again you had better do a better job of it than last time

I don't think your previous round was always timely

Not that I blame you. I myself do not want to moderate as I have no time to babysit these combative people. But don't volunteer unless you think you can do a good job of it.
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I admit Ive not done a good job previously, still I'm pissed off at all this nonsense, I've kept my silence for sometime but this has gone worse


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post Mar 8 2018, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Mar 7 2018, 08:31 PM)
Well some people like to debate, argue, preach, confide in one another. Sadly nobody encourage one another enough.

Ok for these few nights I won't debate with Catholic traditionalist Yeeck. I'm sure he's bored with me.

Aren't you suppose to relax? why bother yourself with these petty things? lol
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Coz I'm sad that this thread was taken over by hooligans vmad.gif vmad.gif
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post Mar 15 2018, 10:37 PM

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Was feeling so nostalgic today that I searched the whole Youtube for very old ancient songs from the 80's and 90's. Like the old generation said "old is gold"

I'll be posting more of Easter related songs for this whole week and next week maybe till after Easter






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post Mar 15 2018, 10:57 PM

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post Mar 15 2018, 11:32 PM

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post Mar 23 2018, 06:06 PM

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When it comes to Israel State Nation, what do you think about them and the conflict with Palestine?

God made a covenant with both Abraham and also Jacob(Israel) that He will bless those who bless him and his descendents and curse whoever that curse him and his descendents
How do you feel the above Covenant from God to Abraham and Jacob in today modern world? How relevant is this on the conflict with Palestine?
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post Mar 23 2018, 09:17 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Mar 23 2018, 09:09 PM)
Hey Bro...I personally think God's covenant with them still stands.

Though it's sad it affected Palestine but throughout history, God has demonstrated Himself through the nation of Israel as evidence, otherwise people would not believe which God. I think I've said enough for one to think about this because every country, even predominantly, Palestine has their own god.
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Yet many people here disagree I want to hear their arguments on this, I reading a book called "Why Care About Israel" by Sandra Teplinsky a Jewish Christian. It's an eye opener to those unsure about God purposes with Christian today via Israel
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post Mar 23 2018, 09:54 PM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Mar 23 2018, 09:32 PM)
Book of Resolutions: Opposition to Israeli Settlements in Palestinian Land

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We join with Palestinian Christians as well as our Jewish and Muslim brothers and sisters in feeling a deep sense of rootedness to the land that has special meaning for our three religious traditions. We celebrate the diversity of religious customs and traditions throughout the Middle East.

Jerusalem is sacred to all the children of Abraham: Jews, Muslims, and Christians. We have a vision of a shared Jerusalem as a city of peace and reconciliation, where indigenous Palestinians and Israelis can live as neighbors and, along with visitors and tourists, have access to holy sites and exercise freedom of religious expression. The peaceful resolution of Jerusalem's status is crucial to the success of the whole process of making a just and lasting peace between Palestinians and Israelis.

We seek for all people in the Middle East region an end to military occupation, freedom from violence, and full respect for the human rights of all under international law.

WHEREAS, the prophet Isaiah cautioned against coveting the lands and homes of one's neighbors: "Doom to thosewhoacquire houseafter house, who annex field to field until there is no more space left and only you live alone in the land" (Isaiah 5:8); and

WHEREAS, the continuing confiscation of Palestinian land for construction of settlements and the building of a separation wall violates human rights, subverts the peace process, destroys the hope of both Israelis and Palestinians who are working for and longing for peace, and fosters a sense of desperation that can only lead to further violence; and

WHEREAS, continued and often intensified closures, curfews, dehumanizing check points, home demolitions, uprooted trees, bulldozed fields, and confiscation of Palestinian land and water by the government of Israel have devastated economic infrastructure and development in the West Bank and Gaza, have caused a massive deterioration of the living standards of all Palestinians ... and an increasing sense of hopelessness and frustration; and

WHEREAS, targeted assassinations, suicide bombings, and attacks against civilians by both Israelis and Palestinians heighten the fear and suffering of all, and have led to many deaths of Palestinian and Israeli children; and

WHEREAS, people in the United States, through their taxes, provide several billion dollars in economic and military assistance to the State of Israel each year, which allows for the building of bypass roads and settlements that are illegal according to the Fourth Geneva Convention;

WHEREAS, a number of Israeli and international companies profit from the building and maintaining of Israeli settlements on Palestinian lands in a variety of ways, and many churches and Christians have funds invested in some of these companies; and

WHEREAS human rights organizations have documented that private foreign donors, including Jewish and Christian individuals and non-profit organizations, have provided financial support for settlements and that some of these donations are tax-deductible; and

WHEREAS, the church continues to work with ecumenical and interfaith bodies to advocate for Palestinian self-determination and an end to Israeli occupation; to affirm Israel's right to exist within secure borders; to affirm the right of return for Palestinian refugees under international law; to call for region-wide disarmament; to urge Israelis and Palestinians to stop human rights violations and attacks on civilians, such as targeted assassinations and suicide bombings; and to urge the U.S. government to initiate an arms embargo on the entire Middle East region;

Therefore, be it resolved, that The United Methodist Church opposes continued military occupation of the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem, the confiscation of Palestinian land and water resources, the destruction of Palestinian homes, the continued building of illegal Jewish settlements, and any vision of a "Greater Israel" that includes the occupied territories and the whole of Jerusalem and its surroundings.

In our call for an end to the Israeli occupation we affirm the church's commitment to nonviolent responses to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and acknowledge the need to hear the voices of all those--Muslim, Christian and Jewish--harmed by the conflict, including the Palestinian Christians as voiced in the Kairos Palestine document.

Be it further resolved, that we urge the U.S. government to end all military aid to the region, and second to redistribute the large amount of aid now given to Israel and Egypt; to support economic development efforts of nongovernmental organizations throughout the region, including religious institutions, human rights groups, labor unions, and professional groups within Palestinian communities.

The United Methodist Church requests that all governments, especially that of the United States, to work in cooperation with the United Nations and other nations, to urge the State of Israel to:

1. cease the confiscation of Palestinian lands and water for any reason;
2. cease the building of new, or expansion of existing, settlements and/or bypass roads in the occupied territories including East Jerusalem;
3. lift the closures and curfews on all Palestinian towns by completely withdrawing Israeli military forces to the Green Line (the 1948 ceasefire line between Israel and the West Bank);
4. dismantle that segment of the Wall of Separation constructed since May 2002 that is not being built on the Green Line but on Palestinian land that is separating Palestinian farmers from their fields.

We also urge the Palestinian Authority and all Palestinian religious leaders to continue to publicly condemn violence against Israeli civilians and to use nonviolent acts of disobedience to resist the occupation and the illegal settlements.

We further call on all nations to prohibit:

1. any financial support by individuals or organizations for the construction and maintenance of settlements; and
2. the import of products made by companies in Israeli settlements on Palestinian land.

We ask all companies that profit from and/or support settlements through their business activities to examine these and stop any business that contributes to serious violations of international law, promotes systemic discrimination or otherwise supports ongoing military occupation.

The United Methodist Church does not support a boycott of products made in Israel. Our opposition is to products made by Israeli companies operating in occupied Palestinian territories.

We urge all United Methodists in the US to:

1.advocate with the US administration and Congress to implement the aforementioned steps;
2. urge the US government to examine the role played by donations from tax-exempt charities in support of discriminatory and other illegal aspects of Israeli settlements, and develop recommendations to ensure that tax-exempt funds do not support illigal settlements and other violations of international law.

We urge all United Methodists to:

1. read about the suffering of Israelis and Palestinians and nonviolent ways of ending the Israeli/Palestinian conflict from the perspective of all faith communities including the "Kairos Palestine" document; and
2. encourage members of each congregation to study the Israeli-Palestinian conflict from all perspectives by inviting speakers to church events, reading books, using audiovisual resources in educational forums, and getting information from websites. We especially commend the 2010 British Methodist Church's call "on the Methodist people to support and engage with [a] boycott of Israeli goods emanating from illegal settlements," as well as a call for nonviolent actions issued by several annual conferences.
3. provide financial support to the Palestinian people through contributions to the General Board of Global Ministries;
4. support, and participate in, the work of international peace and human rights organizations, such as the Ecumenical Accompaniment Program in Palestine & Israel and Christian PeacemakerTeams, to provide protection for Palestinians and Israelis seeking nonviolently to end the occupation; and
5. reach out to local synagogues, mosques, and Christian faith groups by engaging in interfaith and ecumenical dialogue on nonviolent ways to promote justice and peace in the Holy Land; and

That the General Board of Global Ministries, working together with the General Board of Church & Society and interfaith organizations, develop advocacy packets for use in local congregations to promote a just and lasting peace and human rights for all in the region.

ADOPTED 2004
READOPTED 2008
AMENDED AND READOPTED 2012

RESOLUTION #6111, 2012 BOOK OF RESOLUTIONS
RESOLUTION #6073, 2008 BOOK OF RESOLUTIONS
RESOLUTION #312, 2004 BOOK OF RESOLUTIONS
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I think you don't understand what's God covenant with Israel and the land The Lord given to them,
The whole land of Cannan belong to Israel and the occupation of Israel on Palestine land does not exist because Israel is fulfilling God command
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post Mar 23 2018, 10:08 PM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Mar 23 2018, 10:00 PM)
That is what you think
This is a resolution by a major denomination and other like catholic has similar view
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Go and read back the book of Genesis on God covenant with Israel also Israel return from exile already prophesied and there's alot of evidence recorded in the Bible about Israel war with their neighbours. If you think the Jews are not Blessed by God go ahead and curse them see if the curse come true?

Israel is God chosen People and they Blessed by God, there's plenty of recorded events during their exile that God never leave them nor forsaken them
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post Mar 23 2018, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Mar 23 2018, 10:12 PM)
Like what said in the resolution
Support the existence of Israel. But not the oppression in West Bank and Gaza

Btw is cursing work?
That is new thing I learn
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Palestine do have state? And Palestine is the one that always started the attack on Israel also if the Arab and Muslim countries so cared about Palestine why not welcome them to their country? Remember yom kippur war? Six countries come and attack Israel from all side who win in the end? Israel is the winner.

There's a verse in the Bible that saying If God is with us who can goes against us? Whatever thing is happening in West Bank today is God work, remember during Israel captivity in Egypt? Despite many miracle and curse God had caused on Egypt the pharaoh heart is still hardened until his first born son and every male first born belong to Egyptian from citizens to their livestock deaf.

There's also alot of Palestinian staying in Jerusalem they all said they are treated well by the government and the peoples of Israel. This means those who bless you will be blessed by God if you still can't understand this simple thing this prove that your heart is as hard as pharaoh. God command is obsolete, God is beginning and the end
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post Mar 23 2018, 10:48 PM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Mar 23 2018, 10:42 PM)
now

this the first time I hear from.christian asking someone to curse another person
it is true that God curse but he do it justly
and for man to curse it make me wonder
and so called Christian who support violence eh eh
a lot of new thing learned
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Who said that Christian don't curse? Maybe in modern world the word curse is deemed offensive but the apostles do curse too, Simon Peter the first disciple of Jesus, he curse the man who lie before God
Apostle Paul he curses the early Christians for their lack of faith on God
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post Mar 23 2018, 11:08 PM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Mar 23 2018, 10:49 PM)
that is apostle and prophet
they curse on behalf of God
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It's the same, Christian knows no boundaries neither there's any difference between apostles or disciples or normal Christians everyone is the same in the presence of the Lord, or else why would Jesus curses the pharisees?
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post Mar 24 2018, 09:36 AM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Mar 24 2018, 09:25 AM)
his own word unadulterated

If you think the Jews are not Blessed by God go ahead and curse them see if the curse come true? 
first he ask me to curse jews
but of course , whole extend of truth in bible or any language is only available to UW. other just don't have what it takes to interpret anything correctly
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You yourself doubt God work in Jewish State in real life it's as you are doubting God, everything in this world is in God hand, and it's all predicted by various prophet of God from jeremiah to obadiah. Jesus already said before His return there would be war and famine nation against nations king against kings, people against people's if you stil don't understand what's God command how could you call yourself Christian?

Maybe you are a fake Christian
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post Mar 24 2018, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Mar 24 2018, 09:46 AM)
a fiery judgment from judge deluffy

I am.so afraid lol
my word before twist by you is as follows
I support existence of Israel but denounce the violence occupation of west bank and Gaza
which part you don't understand?
by the way the rapture of church occurs before or after tribulation described by you?
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Which part you did not understand when I said God is at work behind all the events in the whole world? God is alpha and omega, the beginning and the end. The incidents in West Bank and gaza is all happening because God allowed it and the lands in West Bank and gsxa is rightfully belong to Israel it's their right as God has given them the land from the start
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Mar 24 2018, 09:53 AM)
in other word
you support violence occupation of west bank and Gaza
is that right?
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It's not about support or not, do you even understand the Bible? God has already said the land belong to Israel not anyone, Israel is just merely reclaimimg their land
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post Apr 8 2018, 10:54 PM

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The song above is a very old song, sung during my high school year more than 20 years ago also one of my late junior schoolmate and friend favorite song
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post Apr 10 2018, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Apr 10 2018, 03:09 AM)
Anyways.
Here is a video for sharing

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