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 LYN Christian Fellowship V13 (Group), ALL about Jesus Christ.

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WyjSwmW
post Oct 20 2017, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(zanness @ Oct 20 2017, 11:37 AM)
You don't believe Satan can overpower God's powerful words to cover-up..
Okay.. this part.
Let me explain to you a bit of what Satan can and cannot do.

For example, at times, God allows hardships in the lives of His people. Exp: in old testament, where Israel are to be captured put into slavery. or when Israel are left without a prophet for years..
OR?
put it this way, where Job was allowed by God for Satan to take away his home health wealth etc..
Another example, David to be tempted and sinned..
Satan has his works behind the curtains but all in all, if i may say, is due to our human weaknesses and is in a way for us to grow..
Satan, or even for this context, Humans, are able to introduce many things to replace God.. creating their own God.. this has been ongoing even since old testaments.. remember when Moses and and Ten Commandments?
The people just saw the miracle and yet went and make a new God when Moses went to take the ten commandments.

So what Im trying to say is, God allows humans (Or the devil/Satan) to deviate from God (upon our own free will) for us to be able to grow in our faith.
- Peter also deviated when he WAS WITH Jesus.
- Peter also deviated EVEN AFTER Jesus resurrected.
- Paul was weak in faith.

Hebrews 12:6,7 , "For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?"
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QUOTE(zanness @ Oct 20 2017, 11:41 AM)
To grow in faith, you need the proper church.
A church that preaches purely from the word of God. Pastors and Christians who are able to answer you not based on opinions but by opening the word of God with you and showing you what God says.

I'm also actually leaning a lot from a podcast (Just by listening to their daily sermons).. which u can download online.
Ambassador Baptist College.

I highly recommend you listen to it more, and see learn more from the Bible through their sermons.
And if you need a good church which really preaches from the Word of God, let me know and ill share you the right church.
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Thanks for your reply.
But I still couldn't get it why Jesus allows those incidents to be covered-up?
Yes, Jesus did allow evil spirit to happen... but why not just document everything in the Bible? Then, only we as humans will see whether to accept and follow it or not.

BTW, currently I am going FGA church once a month.
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post Oct 20 2017, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(toda_erika_II @ Oct 20 2017, 11:48 AM)
Couldn't God exist and there still be 4.5 billion years old Earth?
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Possible too, hence i've yet to be conclusive on this.... just my random thoughts hmm.gif
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post Oct 20 2017, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(zanness @ Oct 20 2017, 11:51 AM)
Before you get swayed even further,

Put it this way,
science and God dont co-exist.

However, One way or the other, the world will end due to the diminishing resources.

But the origins of earth, it is a splitroad of either God's explanation or Science,
But like i said, Science depict as billions due to their statistical calculation methods..
not like they have an accurate scientific failproof method..
its just through their carbon dating methods.. etc... which are full of flaws..

Hence, to begin with, earth's scientific age isnt a fact.. its just a theory..
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I personally think Science and God can both co-exist.

Science teaches us how His creation work. I buy the idea of 'old earth' more.

sun and moon only created on the fourth day. How do we know the days before was measured in 24 hours?
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post Oct 20 2017, 01:45 PM

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post Oct 20 2017, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(WyjSwmW @ Oct 20 2017, 12:00 PM)
Thanks for your reply.
But I still couldn't get it why Jesus allows those incidents to be covered-up?
Yes, Jesus did allow evil spirit to happen... but why not just document everything in the Bible? Then, only we as humans will see whether to accept and follow it or not.

BTW, currently I am going FGA church once a month.
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I've been to FGA before.
No offense But I don't think FGA helps in christian growth.

About why Jesus allow evil spirits, or to allow bad things to happen..
it is for our growth.. God's greatest liberty to us is for us to have a free will of choice..

Exp: Lazarus was very sick. Mary and Martha came to Jesus asking Him to come. Jesus told them Lazarus wont die.
Lazarus died, and they blamed and said if Jesus came earlier Lazarus wouldn't have died. And Jesus wept. Jesus wept not because of the death but because of the unbelief amongst people.
And as a result, Jesus called Lazarus out and this entire incident is a testimony to Lazarus himself, and to other people.. It is a learning curve we have to go through. Wouldnt it be easier to not let Lazarus fall sick at all?
Of cos its easier but humans never learn the easy way.

Even after the parting of the red sea, the Israelites still complain and say that Moses brought them out to the wilderness to die.. Lols its amazing how fast people forget. Hence, why evil happen?

If you see John 9:2,3 " And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him."

When you choose to believe by faith, John 20:29, “Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.”

And to your question on why not just say everything out.. why not just document everything..
Look at Jesus' ministry.
And observe old testament scriptures.
many times we are told to be slow to speech, swift to hearing.. and Jesus was a perfect example. He knew he was to be crucified. But the time was not yet right for Him and it was not God's will yet. So he kept His silence.
John 8:59, "Therefore they took up stones, that they might cast at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went forth out of the temple."
Many times Jesus kept his silence on matters. So that we can learn. Peter for example. After a feeding of 5000 miracle, Jesus asked the disciples to go on a rocky sea trip.
That was for the disciples to learn to live by faith and to keep your eyes on Jesus.. Did you not think Jesus knew there was going to be a storm?

Jesus' ministry, He knew He was the lamb of sacrifice but did not mention it out. Satan is real. That is also partly why God has always asked us to watch out tongue.

John 14:29,30 ,"And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me."


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QUOTE(NicoRobinz @ Oct 20 2017, 12:31 PM)
I personally think Science and God can both co-exist.

Science teaches us how His creation work. I buy the idea of 'old earth' more.

sun and moon only created on the fourth day. How do we know the days before was measured in 24 hours?
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Yes they can.
Personally, i also have a concept about rapture, and events that may be happen in the future which will explain the prophesies in the Bible, especially about the 7 year tribulation etc..
No one can answer your questions on whether is it 24 hours.. or if it is 28 hours.. etc.. for all we know, they may measure it not by hours, but by the sun rise and sun down. moon rise and moon down.. which have similarities to our time..

As said, after all, God created everything. Including the science that we know today.
If not because of the natural laws we have, would we have had science to begin with?
This part is messing with your imagination. Imagine if the law of natures were changed. Then you would have a whole load of different types of sciences as we know today.. And who created Science?
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post Oct 20 2017, 03:38 PM

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http://www.thepathoftruth.com/falsehood-ex...o-to-church.htm

Is it me, or this is ajaran sesat?
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post Oct 20 2017, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Oct 20 2017, 03:38 PM)
His writing sounds like was borne out of hurt.

anybody can quote scripture but I can tell, he's trying to self justify his own reason, there's bitterness in his writing as well.

To refute this claim, the Book of Acts documented Church organization as well as the hierarchy given, so this means Church was God's own idea.

You cannot use a verse to refute another verse, Bible does not contradict each other unless it's clearly mention in the Bible ..for example, the Old Covenant where God ended for the believer in Christ.

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post Oct 21 2017, 09:00 AM

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Veteran Christians who may Failed

Philippians 3:12-13 (NLT) - I don't mean to say that I have already achieved these things or that I have already reached perfection. But I press on to possess that perfection for which Christ Jesus first possessed me. No, dear brothers and sisters, I have not achieved it, but I focus on this one thing: Forgetting the past and looking forward to what lies ahead,

Some of you may have lived some years, some decades down the road of walking with Christ. And yet, despite of having such a vast and rich experience, knowledge and revelation, you at some point failed and sinned against God.

You will feel dejected because you knew many things revealed and you have tasted the powers of divine Heaven in your life, feeling by right you shouldn't have failed.

Here is where the devil will accuse you to your face and you will feel the pinch of his accusation.

I'm here to encourage you to pick up where you've fallen and move on. If the very chosen apostle of Christ can say.....I have not reach perfection, let us not be too vain to think we have.

You were running a good race. Who cut in on you to keep you from obeying the truth? That kind of persuasion does not come from the one who calls you. Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. Who then is the one who condemns? No one

The word of the Lord says No one because it is God who justify you in Christ. The work of Christ are done by the works of his divine hands alone, not yours.

Those who have travelled some years will understand this, The Lord bless you with much Grace.

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post Oct 21 2017, 12:12 PM

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post Oct 21 2017, 12:19 PM

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To be honest after empires album release the subsequent quality of albums releases by Hillsong already drop it's no longer appealable anymore, even the latest christmas album by them is not so nice
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Oct 21 2017, 12:19 PM)
To be honest after empires album release the subsequent quality of albums releases by Hillsong already drop it's no longer appealable anymore, even the latest christmas album by them is not so nice
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by Elevation Worship.
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post Oct 21 2017, 01:04 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 21 2017, 12:38 PM)


by Elevation Worship.
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This is just ok, better than hillsong though, but not good enough to be on the chart
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post Oct 21 2017, 03:16 PM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Oct 21 2017, 01:04 PM)
This is just ok, better than hillsong though, but not good enough to be on the chart
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It's the matter of how the song can minister to you bro.

Here's another one to keep you going. When you hear this, let it all your hurts and pain go, let your praise arise and let your spirit worship God.

Listen to the lyrics



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post Oct 21 2017, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 21 2017, 03:16 PM)
It's the matter of how the song can minister to you bro.

Here's another one to keep you going. When you hear this, let it all your hurts and pain go, let your praise arise and let your spirit worship God.

Listen to the lyrics
Well, it's nice but very less impact or breakthrough and repeating the same lyrics over and over again

my taste is below, quite a big meaning and strike through as well as very clear meaning



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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Oct 21 2017, 04:11 PM)
Well, it's nice but very less impact or breakthrough and repeating the same lyrics over and over again

my taste is below, quite a big meaning and strike through as well as very clear meaning


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It's a nice song...and to be honest I'm suppose to be in the worship team of this age group ministering to other but I have young mind that refuse to be old. laugh.gif Have mercy.....sigh.

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post Oct 22 2017, 06:30 AM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comme...ally_scares_me/

Ok... So... If I'm getting this right, the majority of the answers are trying to mix Grace and Law? Because if what they say is right then apa beza dengan every other religion?
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post Oct 22 2017, 10:00 AM

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Good morning, I just know yesterday that...
Why need to spilt into methodist and protestant?
Why can't just have one type of Christian?
So, which type am I now?

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post Oct 22 2017, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(MPIK @ Oct 22 2017, 10:00 AM)
Good morning, I just know yesterday that...
Why need to spilt into methodist and protestant?
Why can't just have one type of Christian?
So, which type am I now?
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Methodist is part of protestant, protestant has many denominations AOG, BAPTIST, PRESBYTERIAN, ANGLICAN, METHODIST, etc

As to why so many denominations churches under protestant, I have no answer for that for now
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post Oct 22 2017, 06:05 PM

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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Oct 22 2017, 06:30 AM)
https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comme...ally_scares_me/

Ok... So... If I'm getting this right, the majority of the answers are trying to mix Grace and Law? Because if what they say is right then apa beza dengan every other religion?
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Try to answer, what is the narrow road? What do you think?


After you give your answer, then I will provide the answer to this and you tell me if it's in line with the Bible.

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