If they were once upon a time, obedient & faithful believing Christians, how can God says He "NEVER" knew them? Sorry but still no point there. Never means not even once nor the beginning.



This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Mar 24 2018, 12:22 AM

well first of all, I never did "self" proclaim I'm a pastor, you did and it's out of wanting to spite or insult me. Besides...where is your obedience to God's will since you believe so much and yet do not practice?

Ephesians 4:29 (NIV) - Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. <---(where is your practice on this?) I don't see it.


Colossians 3:8 (NIV) - But now you must put aside all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your mouth. <---(where is your practice on this?) I don't see it.

Regardless whether you deemed me as fake or not, still does not discount the fact that there is nothing to hide and you should be proud to proclaim you're a christian and which church you go to.

Else people will doubt you. What is there to be afraid of anyway? oh you mean you deemed it worthy to exactly whom you're a christian? whereas you hide your Faith identity to someone you deemed as not worthy? Wow that is something new. So much pride there.

ps: Wow calling other brothers and sister in here as minion. my my. And there you go again, comprehension problem. I'm saying you don't treat people like how you do to other because you might meet some nasty people out there who might punch you. NOBODY is that crude as you are in real life. Not unless you consider yourself as a keyboard warrior, playing crude and tough on the internet, lashing out at people "you don't know persoanlly" but out there you treat people with tact because you know people will get offended at the way you handle people. I just don't like hypocrisy that is all. It's ugly.


ps2:

^ not here stand to answer me but here standby trying to bark up the wrong tree (another self contradicting statement)..Not here to answer me but here to answer me on so many things.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Mar 24 2018, 09:05 AM

* Don't really care about Lynas...not related, nothing to do with me. I didn't ask you for your Baptism certificate, just a simple declaration something every Christian should "basically" be not afraid to affirm.

Then practice what you preach and believe. Don't let unwholesome talk out of your mouth. Don't slander or insult others in here. Where is your walk on that?

And for the last time; don't confuse yourself between what is asked of you to curse vs If you try to curse, see what happens. If you cannot detect the difference, then know you have comprehension issue here. When one has comprehension issue, there can be no common understand, no wonder misunderstanding happens.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Mar 24 2018, 09:24 AM

Keyword there "If" ...see the difference below

what is asked of you to curse vs If you try to curse, see what happens




It's not about only me interpreting correctly, I gave scripture basis, not something I conjure out of sudden. If you can argue against that, then we have a legitimate argument but many a times, I don't see where is the scriptural basis but mostly the assumptions made which is NOT related to any verse but what one rationally think it should be. Go ahead, I did ask for clarity on this...where is the losing argument point? Until now I see nothing provided but "reacted talk from you".

Whoa Luffy, lets not go there yet. I know he slanderously called me a false prophet and called you a minion out of prejudice but let us not go down to that level.

We are not like that. We don't label people out in the public, he think he qualify to judge, let him, it will just hit back, God designed it that way.

This is what I mean.

For me, this is an unrefined or crude sarcasm. If you claim to be a Christian, one who does the will of the Father or one who obediently follows his commandment; then why the crudeness?

where is this walk?

Ephesians 4:29 (NIV) - Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen.

I don't mind if you tell me you're not someone perfect, I can accept that

but for you to fight so hard preaching religion and yet go full swing on being being hostile, crude....is just ugly in hypocrisy. We are here to fellowship as Christians, this is not a place for you to attack people. Calling people false preacher or minion is uncalled for. You have no right and no basis to label anyone.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Mar 24 2018, 10:35 AM

Hallo Yeeck!

The Jews in exodus broke the very first commandment the moment the 10 commandment was given.

Divine Law given from the top of mount sinai..the moment it reach the foot where they were camping, they broke it straight away by building a golden calf.


And even during the journey to the promised land, they murmured, complain, even wanted to almost kill Moses.

Desmond, you need to read your Bible. I find that your constant triggered mode against the devotions that i shared tells me you don't really understand reading your Bible.



This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Mar 26 2018, 09:30 AM

Read it yourself desmond. This is the except from the link you just gave.

"But you have not obeyed my voice. What is this you have done? So now I say, I will not drive them out before you, but they shall become thorns in your sides, and their gods shall be a snare to you."

They have their ups and down but you cannot deny they almost died....out of all the Jews...only 2 person made it into the promised land. Moses was denied the grace to enter at that Point in time.

Yes I do read my Bible and I do know.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Mar 26 2018, 09:36 AM

Yes I know it's after exodus but how is it, you don't see , it still points to their rebellion?

Remember, You were talking about exodus on them being God fearing and in constant fellowship, implying they were a different sect of Jews compared to today, implying they're obedient.

Both account, before exodus and this recent one tells us..they're not really.

I Hope you understand this very simple English.

You seem to imply by the phrase "they" as if the entire group of Israel or a large group of Israel went in.

Only 2 person made it into the promised land, Joshua and Caleb, the rest of them died.

Two Person.

This is where you deny the Israel of Bible day vs Today's Israelite. If you think about it; their repentance is the same as everyone else even by today's scenario. They were not obedient all the way.

BTW, also...it wasn't "really" because Joshua and Caleb's obedience that granted them in. They haven't entered in yet. They believed in God (issue of Faith) and had a different spirit. This was that was noted in the Bible and caused God to take noticed and gave them entrance.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Mar 26 2018, 10:36 AM

This parable was specific to the Jews as they had a covenant with God in the Old Testament. It all started when the chief priests and the elders of the people came to question Christ, In Matthew 21, Jesus responded to them in 2 parables.

Christ was talking about the gentiles...all of us. And how we get to produce this fruits? Jesus said He is the True wine and we are the branches and Christ made a key important statement.

Apart from Him, we can do nothing...that would include the production of the fruit. And we all know it's the work of the Holy Spirit that produces the Fruits. Anyone who denies this...will have a hard time finding other avenue of how the fruits come.

So question to ask is, How do you obtain the Holy Spirit or to get The Holy Spirit to work in your life?

Answer is found here:

Galatians 3: 1-3 (NIV) - 1 You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?a

The question is asked....Did you receive the H.S. because you were obedient to God's Law (By performance...works of the Law) or by Believing (Faith) Answer is : By believing what you heard.

It starts from there and will always work from the basis of "Believe" or Faith (The righteous shall live by Faith) to receive the Holy Spirit and the same principle in allowing the HS to produce Fruits. And That is given on the basis of God's Grace. God owes No One but He gives it freely. You just need to have a receiving Heart and submit to believe. From there, everything will work out because God is the one working out.

Some people may call this easy believism but hey take it up with God, He is the one made the way that all people may have a chance, you don't like it, you complain to God la.

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*We shouldn't intimidate people...we must repent and produce fruit, ;putting unnecessary doubt or fear without explaining How. God is not the in the business of leaving his people clueless. Though you think you post this to fight God's Grace, I'm telling you, you're doing this with a wrong spirit.

As far as I see this in the language of God, It's how we present God's word that will help people in producing Fruits...even unto rebellious Christians. Because God never fails...when you're connected to God consistently, the Fruit will come even IF the person is imperfect. What I hate is the constant preaching of the focus of the Law without telling the solution how. The preaching of the Law diminishes Faith. Because the Fruits always works on the side of Faith which the foundation is always GRACE.




This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Mar 26 2018, 01:00 PM

Because you wrote



...gave the impression Jews as in all the 12 tribes, regardless of the periodical disobedience..impression is still the Jews as a whole.

Then based on the below:




you indicated, they went in because of obedience.

The whole argument is in the context of "conditional", you put the condition of obedience. That was what I understood, so I'm arguing against that context.

As I've said it's not really about obedience and I've showed you; Only 2 person went in because they believed and had a different spirit.

PS: Post #1823 is on that context.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Mar 26 2018, 02:23 PM

If you insist on using the argument, children below the age of 20 was granted entrance along with the Levites...They didn't enter in because they were obedient.

They were granted in because of God's Mercy and Levites were exempted from the census. Go read the Bible if you don't believe me.



On what you said on this below:

Reason being; I will leave no stones unturned and It is not nonsense.

That is not the right basis for you to say the Jews in exodus is not the same jews today hence In the Palestinian conflict, you want to deny strongly of God's involvement.
As I can argue there are many Jews today who have accepted Christ, then where is the basis of your argument then?

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Mar 26 2018, 04:30 PM

Granted that I've omitted the words in that phrase, the reason only 2 get to enter in is because of the context of "conditional" but point still stand. Only 2 went into the promised land because they believed and had a different spirit. It was based on the impression of your 2 posts...you seem to implied Jews as a whole.



If you needed to be a grammar police and my English being off is the only point that you have, then what you said about the Jews in the exodus being God fearing and in fellowship with God as the basis for denying the Link to today's jews is something arguably untrue.

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Hyper Grace & Gift of Righteousness is the solution

Romans 5:17 (NIV) - For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!

Many of us wants change. Many of us are struggling in repentance over sin. I use the word repentance as this is the lingo understood in most churches in the conservative circle of Christians.

But to be honest...the real definition of repentance is not turning away from sinning. The real definition of repentance in the Greek is Metanoya which means Change of Mind. Especially changing our mind towards God and his word, where we use to think bad about God, thinking God is out to get us or out to punish us to changing (repenting) .... that God is a good God, He is out to love us and rescue us, that His word is meant for our good and by receiving his grace more and more, it will change us...That is real repentance.

I've showed you many times over..The Law has the propensity to cause one to sin. 1 Corinthians 15:56 (NIV) - The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.

The Law gives Sin it's power, meaning to say the more you try to adhere to the law, the more you will end up sinning. Some people try to misconstrue the interpretation to this verse as "Pain". Well, no where in 1 Corinthians 15:56 does it ever indicate Pain. There is only Death.

This is further confirm by this verse.

2 Corinthians 3:7 (NIV) - Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was,

Do you see that? Only the 10 commandment was engraved on stones, and God calls the 10 commandments the Ministry of Death according to this verse. If you look at both verse, it confirms with one another. The Law will only minister Death because it gives Sin it's power.

Basically.... The Essence of the Law is demand. The Law demands righteousness from you. Thou Shall Not.... ...You get the idea. God gave the purpose of the Law to provoke sin. Nothing more, nothing less than that.

Romans 5:20 (NIV)....The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase...


Once we have identified what causes a person to sin....then we need know what is the solution. I've shown you above, when you put yourselves under the Law, under the power of "Demand"....It will provoke you to sin. There is no other way and God design it that way. Why? Well.....to bring you to the end of yourself. So what then is the solution? Apostle Paul says in Romans 7

Romans 7:21-25 (NIV) - 21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!

Jesus Christ is the answer. Jesus Christ did not come to give us more Law......in context, the Laws of the Old Covenant. John 1:17 tells us, Christ came to give us FIRST Grace and Truth. Grace and Truth stands on the same side vs the Law which was given to Moses. Notice the language used? The Law was given to a servant.....but Grace and Truth came by the person of Christ. One is given from a distance, the other came personally.

Grace is not a subject or a teaching. Grace is the very essence of God, Grace is Jesus Christ! So when we understand this, and when we read the main verse for today's devotion, Romans 5:17...We will begin to understand...receiving Abundance (Hyper) Grace and the Gift of righteousness....Both are the essence of Jesus Christ....We will reign in life. Reigning in Life means, you are victorious in Life, realize that this victory is also victory over sin.

I'll give you one more verse to confirm this.

Romans 6:14 (NIV) - For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.

What Romans 6:14 is saying, to make sin not to be our master is to be under Grace and not under the law. Do you see the constant reference of victory linking to only Grace and not the Law?

But UW...what about all the Bible verse warning us to turn away from sin, especially in the New Testament? Aren't those referring to God's Law? Answer is...In a way, Yes but God never ask you to look to the Law as the solution. He has given you the solution and it's in the main text of today's Devotion.


God Bless.



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Stop looking to the Law, Start looking to Christ and you will bear the Fruits you're looking for

Romans 7:4-5 (NIV) - 4 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh,[a] the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

What the verse above is saying...the phrase "Died to the Law" means We need to stop looking to the Laws of God If we want to see Fruits (which we have been arguing so much about). So serious is this implication, God use the word "died" as the degree of focus, meaning to say absolutely no more, don't look to it. In Verse 1-3, if you read it, God calls you an adulterer if you try to look to the Laws of God and to Jesus Christ (at the same time) as justification for Life and Salvation. Strong Language there. You cannot be married to both, you can only Either have the Law or Christ.

Read it..

Romans 7:1-3 (NIV) - 1 Do you not know, brothers and sisters—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives? 2 For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him. 3 So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.

God uses this illustration because it is a serious matter. It is not something we argue for fun or that people think I do this for heresy or fun. There is not about Fun, it is a very serious matter and the Lord has out this burden on me to preach to you, so that you will know, Freedom only lies in the Grace of Christ and nothing else. Why is it so? Because in verse 5, it tells us..the Law will provoke sin (arouse) causing the bearing of the fruit of DEATH. Do you see that?

Is the Law evil? Someone tried to put that phrase into my mouth, some time ago. Answer is No. The Law is Good and Holy because it came from God. But it was never designed by God to make you holy by adhering to it. The Law demands perfection and it is unbending. If it could bend, it is no longer the Law. But Why can't the law make me holy and grant me righteousness? Because it is impossible. No one can keep God's law perfectly. Apostle James tells us, if you break one, you are guilty of breaking it all and there is a curse attached. This is reality and a fact for everyone.

Think about it, Even king David whom God himself call him "a Man after my own heart" failed to keep it completely. If King David failed, who do you think you are that you're able to?

Otherwise the phrase in the verse below cannot be true

Romans 3:10-12 (NIV) - 10 As it is written: “There is no one righteous, not even one; 11 there is no one who understands; there is no one who seeks God. 12 All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one.”

If there was anyone who could.....the phrase above would have changed to.."There are some righteous..." But Scripture says NOT EVEN ONE. Friends..Not even one means Not even one. No argument.

We think..sure nobody is perfect..but if we confess our sins and keep trying to adhere to God's Law, God will accept it. See, that is the problem right there. We rationalize it that way. But God says if you rely on your performance to the Law you are under a curse. (Galatians 3:10). Do you see that. There goes your rationality.."If we try....". Do read what it says in the next verse (in verse 11) of Galatians 3.

Anyway, back to the main text of this devotion, in the last portion, what does it mean; "New Way of the Spirit"? I will expound it, in the next devotion. Stay tune.

God Bless.

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Sanctified by faith

Acts 15:9 (NIV) - 9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith.

We are purified by faith not by our performance. Remember Jesus sermon on the mount? Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.


God Bless

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Mar 28 2018, 03:12 PM

I'm not against works...I am for works, just that you don't get the fruits by your exerted will power, it's called Fruits of the Holy Spirit for a reason.

Fruits are result from the power of God, it is not something you produce.

Since it doesn't come from you, you don't wield it as argument against others demanding from people.

Even this verse above says "the fruits you get", implying you got it from something or someone else.

New and Living way

Hebrews 10:19-20 (NIV) - 19 Therefore, brothers, since we have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus, 20 by the new and living way opened for us through the curtain of His body,

Hallo Fellow Believers of Jesus Christ.

As promised by the last devotion, today I will share what is meant by the New and Living way. It has very much to do with believing (faith). In fact it has everything to do with faith.
We all know that the pivotal moment we accept Christ, we are a new creation. But in reality, many of us, are still struggling with sin, despite of the divine exchange. For a simple reason, we have been living by default in sin before knowing God and even after knowing God, so it takes time to change from your default sin mode to holy mode.

Here is where Faith plays a vital role. Bible says we need to renew our mind on a daily basis..this is where the fight is, the struggle and warfare takes place. The whole problem with many of us..we forgot, we have this propensity to take life as it is.

Repentance has to do with change of mind. When I say change of mind, what I mean is, we submit and agree God's word is right. If Bible says we are made holy once and for all (Hebrews 10:10), then we MUST agree by Faith we are Holy once and for all...even though our actions have yet to match. I don't know about you but when I do this, I literally experience God at times. I'm not talking about assumptions. But real life experience.

The New and Living way has very much to do with looking to "New"..meaning you're a Saint and "Living" meaning you have New Life given by Christ and not to death, condemnation, guilt, etc. This has to be a critical life and death Number 1 priority before the fruits come. As I've repeatedly taught, The Holy Spirit only goes to work in the believer's life when we belief (by faith) what the word of God tells us as true. We need to get rid of the death, self pity, condemnation, guilt mode out of our system.

This is confirm by this scripture verse:

Hebrews 10:2 (ESV) - Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered, since the worshipers, having once been cleansed, would no longer have any consciousness of sins?

We are suppose to live the new and living life having no consciousness of sin.

Problem is, we tie this with our actions. We feel guilty, at times feeling condemn when we fall. We are trying to tie and relate what we understand naturally against the truth of scripture. God's way is unnatural. I said..God's way is unnatural. You never got the status of being Holy, Sanctified or Saved because you performed. You got it because of what Christ did at the cross and because you believe.

We always argued that no matter what good deeds a sinner does, his good deeds can never remove, neither change his sinner status. What makes you think you can obtain holiness or righteousness status by your performance under the New Covenant by the same reason?

Didn't you know, that God already knew when you will fall and that He is not taken by surprise? So what is the next step for the New and Living way? Philippians 3:12-13, tell us...God knows you have yet to reach perfection, so get up and move on AND forget what is behind. This is how we live the Christian life, step by step, day by day, one day at a time. If we are in obedience, Praise God, when we made mistakes..REMEMBER God's word. Receive it by faith, Pray your prayers, confessing, that SIN HAS BEEN Judged at the cross, THANK God always. THANK Christ and tell Him, Lord, Your strength is made perfect in my weakness, you don't know how but it will happen.

It is not our job to worry how God will work in our life. It's our Job to believe God will work in our Life, changing us.

I leave this devotion to your thoughts.

God Bless

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Mar 29 2018, 11:54 AM