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zanness
post Oct 20 2017, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(NicoRobinz @ Oct 20 2017, 10:25 AM)
Do you mean the word 'ship' in Chinese?

船 < They say this word refers to the ark, Noah and his family.
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Yes, Some of it.
but there's a lot more chinese words.
like Life.
or Emperor
Or Devil
Happiness and success..
I had the book once which is amazing cos a lot of the traditional chinese words are actually telling a story.

https://extremeliving.wordpress.com/2009/05...e-is-gods-word/

This is just a part of it.

can take a look for your reference.

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I WANT TO CLEARLY STATE.. NEITHER OF THIS ARE BIBLICAL.. Its just something interesting BTW kind of read
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post Oct 20 2017, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(NicoRobinz @ Oct 20 2017, 10:30 AM)
actually i think most people do not object on the part that says God created the world in 6 days.

This is something that cannot be debated because the question lies whether you believe or you do not. However, people think Christianity is a fairy tale because it contradicts with the discovery of science.

For example, it is said that the world has existed for 4.5 billion years while in bible, our world didn't exist for that long.
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Well you have your point.
Science creates facts based on what they discover.. and there are a lot of stuffs they DO NOT discover YET? or maybe not.

But when Science hypothesize ( Not a fact, just a theory, like how they say brain is just usage of 3% or something, thats also a theory proven wrong.. not a fact.. ) that the world is 4.5 billion years.

Clearly, they did not take into account a lot of factors
- Bible states the big flood. If you understand the carbon dating process enough, you will know how it will eventually affect the carbon dating.
- Difference in natural environment such as sun and rain factors. ( Our sun is getting hotter and hotter right?)
- and even natural disasters.
If you see some debunked theories of the world being 4.5 billion years, you will undnerstand, their story has another different side of it lols.. its just a widely accepted theory with a lot of flaws.. as good as the big bang theory.


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post Oct 20 2017, 10:35 AM

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Hey Brothers and Sis......

come chip in your testimony, how God has touched your life.

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4300116/+600#entry86742845

Apologetics in session!
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post Oct 20 2017, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(zanness @ Oct 20 2017, 10:35 AM)
Well you have your point.
Science creates facts based on what they discover.. and there are a lot of stuffs they DO NOT discover YET? or maybe not.

But when Science hypothesize ( Not a fact, just a theory, like how they say brain is just usage of 3% or something, thats also a theory proven wrong.. not a fact.. ) that the world is 4.5 billion years.

Clearly, they did not take into account a lot of factors
- Bible states the big flood. If you understand the carbon dating process enough, you will know how it will eventually affect the carbon dating.
- Difference in natural environment such as sun and rain factors. ( Our sun is getting hotter and hotter right?)
- and even natural disasters.
If you see some debunked theories of the world being 4.5 billion years, you will undnerstand, their story has another different side of it lols.. its just a widely accepted theory with a lot of flaws.. as good as the big bang theory.
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is the age of the earth told in the bible?

as far as i know, some Christians actually believe our world has existed for that long. they have their own version of interpretation.
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post Oct 20 2017, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(NicoRobinz @ Oct 20 2017, 10:41 AM)
is the age of the earth told in the bible?

as far as i know, some Christians actually believe our world has existed for that long. they have their own version of interpretation.
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The age of the world is unknown. Its not told in the Bible. But it is roughly estimated based on the timeline of events which the Bible stated. Like for example, how long after Adam, or how long after David, or how old was David when this happen, or how old was the other prophets.. so based on this, and combining it all, the entire Earth was, like i said, ESTIMATED.. to be 6,000 years old.

just an estimate.
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post Oct 20 2017, 10:52 AM

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To be honest, I would think it's more plausible for Young Earth, you know why?

Things decay and I don't think we can have enough resources if it's billion of years...if you can understand how long is billions.
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post Oct 20 2017, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(zanness @ Oct 20 2017, 10:45 AM)
The age of the world is unknown. Its not told in the Bible. But it is roughly estimated based on the timeline of events which the Bible stated. Like for example, how long after Adam, or how long after David, or how old was David when this happen, or how old was the other prophets.. so based on this, and combining it all, the entire Earth was, like i said, ESTIMATED.. to be  6,000 years old.

just an estimate.
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in that case, do you believe our world has only existed for 6000 years?

I personally think our world is older than that. If our world is 6000 years, then what we learnt in history are wrong.

still remember all those zaman paleotik neolitik?
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post Oct 20 2017, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 20 2017, 10:52 AM)
To be honest, I would think it's more plausible for Young Earth, you know why?

Things decay and I don't think we can have enough resources if it's billion of years...if you can understand how long is billions.
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but they say certain things require that long to be what it is today.

For example, petroleum. if my memory serves me right, it's carcasses of the sea animals that took thousand or even million of years to be petroleum.
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post Oct 20 2017, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 20 2017, 10:52 AM)
Things decay and I don't think we can have enough resources if it's billion of years...if you can understand how long is billions.
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Would you mind to elaborate this part?
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post Oct 20 2017, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(zanness @ Oct 20 2017, 10:17 AM)
LOLS.. the traces are there. But I personally believe it is not obvious because of Satan's cover-ups and also partly because after Rapture, it will be part of 'the great lie' which blinds everyone who is left behind.
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I don't agree on your statement. I don't believe Satan can overpowered the powerful God's words and cover-up events happening in other parts of the world except just Egypt, Israel and Jordan.
I did ask myself this question as well dozens and dozens of times. I did even ask pastors but unfortunately most of them just try to twist the question and answer something else.
In fact, TS question has been challenging my faith for quite some years.

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post Oct 20 2017, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(NicoRobinz @ Oct 20 2017, 10:54 AM)
in that case, do you believe our world has only existed for 6000 years?

I personally think our world is older than that. If our world is 6000 years, then what we learnt in history are wrong.

still remember all those zaman paleotik neolitik?
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yea, i remember my Sejarah.
But like I said, I choose to accept it by faith.
Bible didnt directly say how long Earth is. But Bible indirectly told by the calculations of other prophets and the time gap written in the Bible.
So to answer your question, yes, i do believe what the Bible taught me.

But doesn't it sound stupid to believe what the Bible say and not what History books say.
History books are discovered by historians based on their theories and assumptions.
As it is written,
Proverbs 3:5, "Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding."
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post Oct 20 2017, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(NicoRobinz @ Oct 20 2017, 10:56 AM)
but they say certain things require that long to be what it is today.

For example, petroleum. if my memory serves me right, it's carcasses of the sea animals that took thousand or even million of years to be petroleum.
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Put it this way.
When God made earth, God placed everything on Earth.

And of course Science has said otherwise.
So in the end of the day, we have a choice.
To choose science or choose God.

God said He made earth, Would it not be possible God placed 'petroleum' too

Revelation 3:15,16,17
"I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth."

Its either we fully trust God or not at all. Because Science has forever been trying to prove God is merely science.
but why am i blindly putting my faith in God. Because I know God is the truth.
and how in the past God has answered my prayers in miraculous ways.

1 Corinthians 4:10
" We are fools for Christ's sake, but ye are wise in Christ; we are weak, but ye are strong; ye are honourable, but we are despised."


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post Oct 20 2017, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(toda_erika_II @ Oct 20 2017, 10:57 AM)
Would you mind to elaborate this part?
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I'm thinking from the viewpoint if there is no God, everything that has life are left alone to survive with whatever that is sustainable and because Nothing last forever, every matter decays over time........

How can there be a continual sustainable life over billion of years? Because the propensity for death and decay would be greater in the absence of God...imo.
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post Oct 20 2017, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 20 2017, 11:27 AM)
I'm thinking from the viewpoint if there is no God, everything that has life are left alone to survive with whatever that is sustainable and because Nothing last forever, every matter decays over time........

How can there be a continual sustainable life over billion of years? Because the propensity for death and decay would be greater in the absence of God...imo.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm just trying to understand your view.
Your proposition is if there's no God, life over billion of years isn't possible. So for life to continually sustain over billion of years, there must exist a God. I understand this much.

But I'm still lost, how does it connect to the Young Earth's plausibility?

*Please note that I'm not here for debate. I just got curious after seeing your post on that one lol. After your reply, I was thinking could God exist and there still be 4.6 billion year old Earth?


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QUOTE(WyjSwmW @ Oct 20 2017, 11:14 AM)
I don't agree on your statement. I don't believe Satan can overpowered the powerful God's words and cover-up events happening in other parts of the world except just Egypt, Israel and Jordan.
I did ask myself this question as well dozens and dozens of times. I did even ask pastors but unfortunately most of them just try to twist the question and answer something else.
In fact, TS question has been challenging my faith for quite some years.
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You don't believe Satan can overpower God's powerful words to cover-up..
Okay.. this part.
Let me explain to you a bit of what Satan can and cannot do.

For example, at times, God allows hardships in the lives of His people. Exp: in old testament, where Israel are to be captured put into slavery. or when Israel are left without a prophet for years..
OR?
put it this way, where Job was allowed by God for Satan to take away his home health wealth etc..
Another example, David to be tempted and sinned..
Satan has his works behind the curtains but all in all, if i may say, is due to our human weaknesses and is in a way for us to grow..
Satan, or even for this context, Humans, are able to introduce many things to replace God.. creating their own God.. this has been ongoing even since old testaments.. remember when Moses and and Ten Commandments?
The people just saw the miracle and yet went and make a new God when Moses went to take the ten commandments.

So what Im trying to say is, God allows humans (Or the devil/Satan) to deviate from God (upon our own free will) for us to be able to grow in our faith.
- Peter also deviated when he WAS WITH Jesus.
- Peter also deviated EVEN AFTER Jesus resurrected.
- Paul was weak in faith.

Hebrews 12:6,7 , "For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?"

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post Oct 20 2017, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(WyjSwmW @ Oct 20 2017, 11:14 AM)
I don't agree on your statement. I don't believe Satan can overpowered the powerful God's words and cover-up events happening in other parts of the world except just Egypt, Israel and Jordan.
I did ask myself this question as well dozens and dozens of times. I did even ask pastors but unfortunately most of them just try to twist the question and answer something else.
In fact, TS question has been challenging my faith for quite some years.
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To grow in faith, you need the proper church.
A church that preaches purely from the word of God. Pastors and Christians who are able to answer you not based on opinions but by opening the word of God with you and showing you what God says.

I'm also actually leaning a lot from a podcast (Just by listening to their daily sermons).. which u can download online.
Ambassador Baptist College.

I highly recommend you listen to it more, and see learn more from the Bible through their sermons.
And if you need a good church which really preaches from the Word of God, let me know and ill share you the right church.
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QUOTE(toda_erika_II @ Oct 20 2017, 11:37 AM)
Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm just trying to understand your view.
Your proposition is if there's no God, life over billion of years isn't possible. So for life to continually sustain over billion of years, there must exist a God. I understand this much.

But I'm still lost, how does it connect to the Young Earth's plausibility?
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Because nothing last forever, the propensity for death and decay is there.

We should have a dead earth with no life or not much life over billion of years as with other planets.
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post Oct 20 2017, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 20 2017, 11:44 AM)
Because nothing last forever, the propensity for death and decay is there.

We should have a dead earth with no life or not much life over billion of years as with other planets.
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Couldn't God exist and there still be 4.5 billion years old Earth?

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QUOTE(toda_erika_II @ Oct 20 2017, 11:37 AM)
Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm just trying to understand your view.
Your proposition is if there's no God, life over billion of years isn't possible. So for life to continually sustain over billion of years, there must exist a God. I understand this much.

But I'm still lost, how does it connect to the Young Earth's plausibility?

*Please note that I'm not here for debate. I just got curious after seeing your post on that one lol. After your reply, I was thinking could God exist and there still be 4.6 billion year old Earth?
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Before you get swayed even further,

Put it this way,
science and God dont co-exist.

However, One way or the other, the world will end due to the diminishing resources.

But the origins of earth, it is a splitroad of either God's explanation or Science,
But like i said, Science depict as billions due to their statistical calculation methods..
not like they have an accurate scientific failproof method..
its just through their carbon dating methods.. etc... which are full of flaws..

Hence, to begin with, earth's scientific age isnt a fact.. its just a theory..
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post Oct 20 2017, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(toda_erika_II @ Oct 20 2017, 11:48 AM)
Couldn't God exist and there still be 4.5 billion years old Earth?
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i don't think it is possible.
If you see the chronicle events showed in the Bible, there was creation, then Adam and Eve, then there was sin, and after sin there was Adam and Eve giving brith to Cain and Abel, and the Bible stated the age of death of Adam and Eve.. in Genesis 5:5

So basically, it is quite a timeline picture for us from since the creation to Adam's age and how earth 'kickstart'..

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