I would like to open the next thread with updated guidelines using /r/Christianity and /r/TrueChristian as a base:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/wiki/xp#wiki_foreword
https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueChristian/wiki/index/rules

I would also like to include one extra rule from /r/TrueChristian: the introduction of 'christians only' requests.

3) Do not infringe upon the [Christians only] tagging rule. Participation requires affirmation of the Nicene Creed. Attempts to circumvent this rule may result in a ban without warning.

If someone wants to talk to a Christian, or even a person specifically, anyone unrelated shouldn't be jumping in.

Now I'll wait for votes. If you think another person is a better mod, please propose.

One thing to remember for both Christians and anyone checking out the Bible is that... it's not written by scientists.

The 6 days could mean literal days, or an era in time, or steps of creation. Which is it? For them it's not important. What's important is the order of said creation and who made it.

Now, poetic writing also don't equate to being 'falsified'. Like for example if someone said 'the sun shines like gold' doesn't mean the 'the sun is gold'. It's correct, just not direct.

This post has been edited by Sophiera: Oct 19 2017, 03:19 PM

You are failing to take into account that there are three main forms of writing in the Bible: Narrative, Poetry, Discourse.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=oUXJ8Owes8E

Paul's letters are all Discourses, hence why they're direct arguments. Genesis is not a discourse but rather a narrative.

If you want to go on the supposition that recognizing the existence of literary styles is "suiting to human beliefs", then i ask the same back to you: are we not imposing our human standards in an even more blatant manner by insisting on our modern understanding?

Genesis is intentionally vague. It's a recognized form of narrative according to the Hebrews. They're inspired words of God crafted with art.

For them what kind of Day is not important. What's important for the authors was the creation process and how God relates to us.

Off topic a bit, but I found this interesting article

http://juniaproject.com/defusing-1-timothy-212-bomb/

It appears that back then Timothy was dealing with the ancient Greek versions of radical (a.k.a crazy) feminists

http://www.thepathoftruth.com/falsehood-ex...o-to-church.htm

Is it me, or this is ajaran sesat?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comme...ally_scares_me/

Ok... So... If I'm getting this right, the majority of the answers are trying to mix Grace and Law? Because if what they say is right then apa beza dengan every other religion?

The conventional answer I find is 'proof that you're truly saved/committed to Christ' ect ect. True and False Christians.

But I also remember you had mentioned that it's the transformation of life here on Earth.

Thank you. this really does put my heart at ease.

It really fills me with anxiety when people go "you have to put your faith by living right, otherwise you're not truly saved."

There are a lot of things that I want to do, or think I should do, but I just can't get past the first step. So it's a spiral of angst and anxiety of not living up to standards.

It's the main reason why I dare not go to church anymore. The cycle had become unbearable. I know it's bad and the worst thing to do, but... I just can't.

There's one thing I don't understand. Why is there so much rage against One Saved Always Saved? People calling it demonic doctrine and so on

Edited for clarification

This post has been edited by Sophiera: Oct 23 2017, 06:38 AM

Ahmighads this happened yesterday. Someone thought it was an internet scam, but it turns out to be an honest request for help.

Watch this. 4 mins ish. Very feels and very Praise God

Oh my goodness people actually said those as their reassurance?!!?!?!? That is crazy!

Nononono for better or for worse I didn't have any of those 'divine feelings'. I hardly feel anything (which is also one reason I get very doubtful especially when everyone else around me becomes a rolling puddle of tears)

Some of my bookmarks are John 5:24, Romans 3:23-24.

Hi Gajindro sorry for not replying sooner.

I didn't want to be just the 'church goer'. The ones Christians complain most often other than the Easter-Christmas. To sing songs that honestly not being truthfully applied in my life. It's lying. It makes me feel guilty.

And then when there's a message calling for people to come serve to grow as a christian/show fruits of the spirit/prove that you're saved I just... can't take it anymore. There's a lot of things I want to do, I should do, but can't realistically do. So that's even more guilt and anxiety.

It's very difficult to explain to others. It's very easy to say "aiyah very easy mar just change your lifestyle here and there." But, I STILL fail that. Fail at the simplest stuff--

Ok I rather not continue or else it's going to drive me nuts.

RWI is Real world issues

https://forum.lowyat.net/RealWorldIssues

That's where all the debates should go on lowyat.net

This is helpful for anyone having to deal with arguments.

Ini menj mesti veli famous if you guys identified him outright

I think people from Catholic background believe that suicide forfeits your salvation? Their logic is that's if you won't commit the most horrible sin a.k.a murder on others, the same goes for yourself.

But.... I don't remember any 'most horrible sin' in the Bible. In fact all sins are equally horrible in the eyes of God. Where did the idea that suicide = forfeit salvation come from?

If it's because it's dying in open rebellion, then it's just as open rebellion to die with a grudge against another person, or die with lust in their hearts, or greed, or anything really.

This post has been edited by Sophiera: Nov 3 2017, 04:58 PM

Isn't that because of the betrayal?

Missed a week but finally it's out. Their podcast covered this over a number of weeks.

https://relevantmagazine.com/article/5-thin...on-and-anxiety/

Stuff that Christians should know. Many stuff that are normal to others can intimidate people with psychological issues. It's a good read.

Clinical depression has a lot of factors, so there's no one-size-fits-all statement. Some people it's chemical-imbalance. Some people is lifestyle factors. Others come from poor coping skills to life stress.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_depressive_disorder

It's further complicated by 'co-morbidity'. Think of it as a 'compound illness'. Many mental disorders include depression as part of their symptoms. That's because it's all inter-related.

Cannot function in society > lack of freedom and/or finance> lack of friends > feel bad and/or suicidal > cannot function in society

People with mental disorders don't see the world in the same way as normal people. It's like showing colour to a blind person, or music to the deaf. It just doesn't connect. For really severe cases, layman attempts to help can cause more harm. We all know one busybody auntie/uncle who tries to make everything 'right'. For many patients, their methods only worsen the problem. That's why nowadays it's advised to seek professional help.

In the pre-modern era, psychological help tend to be in churches, temples, or tabibs. It's not accurate to say that people had less mental illness back then. They do. But because they didn't have the quality of doctors we have now, most of them died young. Like physical illnesses such as influenza, malaria, TB, ect was a big killer.

Edit: They still have a personal responsibility to get better, if they want. Just the road not easy at all.

This post has been edited by Sophiera: Nov 5 2017, 01:45 AM

Eh, unknown warrior have you watched this vid yet?

https://youtu.be/qwNfH_SOWKA?t=12m56s

This post has been edited by Sophiera: Nov 6 2017, 09:35 PM