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post Feb 28 2018, 08:20 AM

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QUOTE(WyjSwmW @ Feb 27 2018, 06:41 PM)
I made too much assumptions? How about yourself?
Did your arguments even come with substance in the first place?
Then what makes you think that I will not go to heaven even I am rich? Are you here to judge?

What makes you think I have no money?
Did I even say you are poor? On the other hand, you seems that you are discouraging someone who intend to build wealth while yourself is wealthy?

I mean is your dreams really special? There are much greater dreams then just being rich and being healthy.
Does my dreams really special have anything to do with you? Well, maybe I might not have big dreams like you... as I like to keep my profile low.
As I mentioned in my previous post, everyone has different dreams to pursue, be it big, small or great dreams.

Your view is a shallow one actually even from a secular perspective.
Yes, I may not be as educated as you.
Anyhow, your arguments seems to be full of contradictions and inconsistencies and lack substance.

I really wonder do you always judge people just based on assumptions???
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Bro...if you spend long enough in this Christian, you will know I have no issues with wealth. Some other Christians may have issues with it but not me, In Fact I encourage people to expect God to bless them financially. They don't see this in scripture but I do.

But pursuing wealth as priority over God has it's inevitable problem and in a way is idolatry.

Such pursuance can be destructive sooner or later.

Why not Seek God first and allow God to prosper you? And that my friend...is far better.

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post Mar 1 2018, 09:31 AM

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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Feb 28 2018, 11:50 PM)
Dude, you are really slowpoke. JK. Its available on Pureflix. kinda like Netflix. It caters Christians movies and such. I don't think its available in Malaysia.
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post Mar 1 2018, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(zanness @ Mar 1 2018, 07:58 AM)
The danger is not losing salvation.. the danger is WHAT IS your salvation.. and if it's even yours to lose it to begin with (of course i've showed from the Bible numerous and multiple verses where salvation is assured.. and with all due respect to Mr.Wong, whatever verses that he claimed to be showing that your salvation can be lost, I have explained how it was misinterpreted..

James 2:19,
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Also an explanation to Mr.Wong... when James talked about Faith with works, he was referring to this!
James WAS NOT talking about losing your salvation, in fact, James was referring to whether a person has salvational faith (which eventually brings out works)...

Romans 5:18,19
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

The biggest issue with those thinking salvation can be lost.. is that they think salvation was their own works and their own merit.. without the realization that salvation was and always is God's mighty grace towards us.. it was NEVER our own doing.. God doesn't judge sin on us anymore not ONLY because we believed in Jesus Christ, but MORE IMPORTANTLY, because of what Jesus Christ DID FOR US.. as described clearly in Romans 5:19..

God is forgiving our past, present, and future sins, NOT BECAUSE we are obedient.. because no matter how obedient we are, we WILL NEVER be sufficient to save ourselves..or for this matter; to sustain our salvation (to debunk those who still believe salvation can be lost...).. RATHER... it was Jesus Christ's obedience that mattered.
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The best verse to debunk is the obligation verse where God owes no one, when He says Salvation is conditional...that is where the verse kills off his argument.


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post Mar 1 2018, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Mar 1 2018, 12:08 AM)
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/...-childrens-game
Why the heck are they even prosecuted under Sharia laws? Isn't that for Muslims?

These Talibans...

I've read the Indonesian version. So there's no lost in translation as well.  laugh.gif
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trying very hard to get everyone submitted to their religion...have to use force by way of Man.

Otherwise would it ever work if left to the divine?
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post Mar 2 2018, 10:20 AM

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The Lord is my Shepherd, I shall not lack. Psalms 23.

When God prospers the person...there are no side effects. God's way is holistic and perfect.

It's no point for you to use the first 30 years or 40 years of your life, using your health and your energy to look for all the wealth in this world, only to use back all your wealth in the next 30 years or 40 years trying to gain back your health that you lost in the years you struggle to be wealthy in this world.


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post Mar 2 2018, 04:40 PM

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Every Born again believer have been changed from the status of sinner to saint.

That is correct.

but the character and conduct will take time to match but that doesn't change the status hood from God's POV as long as the believer's faith is still on Christ.
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post Mar 3 2018, 10:38 PM

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Guys, would you join in prayer for De_luffy?

Pray to God to provide the right doctor and for smooth operation to remove stones from his kidneys.

Thank you for those who will believe in Faith and pray.

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post Mar 5 2018, 10:56 AM

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Morning Guys..

You know, we all have our own hurts and been hurt in one way or another....God gave me a burden and a vision for this place to be a place of Hope, A sanctuary of friendship, fellowship to encourage each other in the Lord. This is suppose to be a place where you can rest without your walls.

We all have our opinions and not everyone will agree with us but don't allow whatever differences between our opinions to consume our life and we end up fighting one another. I have my faults, forgive me.

As the TS....just trying to implore you with this message of peace with the hope you don't take it the wrong way.


Matthew 5:9, James 3:17.

God Bless.












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post Mar 7 2018, 10:30 AM

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The secret to producing Fruits.

John 15:5 (KIV) - I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Let me start by saying on the onset....Fruits and Life can only be found in God, as God is the essence of life. In of ourselves there is nothing we can produce. We can try by exerting by our will power but it will have flaws...we can get angry and still exhibit wrong characteristic in the midst of our own attempt to produce fruits. The kind of fruits that is produced by the Holy Spirit is something that we will not be conscious of. We will not realize it because it is effortless and it comes naturally and God's fruits works hand in hand in divine peace where even if there are attempts of provocation, the person is unshakable and not easily affected emotionally. He will be calm and yet does not offend others...still loving. This is the mark and sign of a child of God.

Our Lord Jesus says you are the branches. Firm and assured. Note that He didn't say "try" to be a branch. There are voices out there that confound and confuses believers saying, you need to measure up and qualify but here Christ says for a definite..YOU ARE the branch.

For a transformed life we need to first receive this. What about the word abide? Well, you cannot abide if you first don't believe you are the branch. If you believe you need to try or if you believed it's not easy to be the branch, you have to measure by your performance, you have started on a wrong ground. Whatever you read next will not matter because what starts in error will end in error.

When our Lord Jesus says "abide" He's just saying STAY...and God knows there will be people who will try to warp the meaning of his word into something else. As we all have heard, the famous common interpretation of abide = obedience. My Bible tells me differently. It is not obedience. In verse 9 and 10 of the same chapter, our Lord is just saying...Remain in "His" Love. That is abiding. Abiding in Christ = Abide in His Love. It means stay close to God, and it will be hard for you to stay close if you don't believe God loves you.

What about in verse 10? Where God says if you obey his command then you will abide in Him? Even THAT, our Lord Jesus Christ gave it's exact meaning...it is not obedience to whatever laws. Time and time again this verse has been abused to put fear and doubt by well meaning people but We cannot simply quote scripture as we like.

I'm here to give you the exact exposition. This is what Christ says in verse 10 on what He means by following his command

John 15:10 (NIV) My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you.

So there you have it. Stay in God's Love, Love others, just walk in these.........Our God promised He will by his Spirit "bringeth forth much fruit" in your life.

God Bless.

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post Mar 7 2018, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Mar 7 2018, 01:00 PM)
Does his post seems anything wrong? I don't see any argument or false teaching, he's just sharing his views and he did not force anyone to read it, don't like it just ignore it, or stay out from this thread then
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It'a alright bro.

desmond needs time to grow.

he doesn't understand now doesn't mean he cannot understand later.

I pray God will grant him the grace to understand.

I'm not fazed and my strength is in the Lord hence why I'm still here no matter how hard he oppose.

Christians who put themselves under the Law or those who are legalistic will react because they are not used to God's Grace and they do not understand grace.
They believe in qualifying themselves to God. Grace disqualify every self qualification hence the reaction.

There is no such thing as prosperity gospel, GRACE is the gospel. In the Gospel, there is a result of prosperity. And the word Hyper Grace is in the Bible, It's in the Greek.

*So far Desmond has challenged nothing much.... biggrin.gif He just doesn't read, neither understand, and he post something to counter when it's something I also subscribe to.

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post Mar 7 2018, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Mar 7 2018, 03:23 PM)
Prosperity does exist but the Gospel it's does exist but the Gospel teaching is not about money but about family and blessings

Prosperity also means blessing
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Prosperity actually from Bible POV is to thrive..Doesn't necessary means money. To prosper can be in terms of education, career...many things.

But I guess desmond understand it as strictly money that is why he oppose it.

And prosperity gospel teaches something like you put in RM100 you will get RM1000 back.

That is what he's afraid I teach. lol. Tat guy very funny one la...never read anything...only know how to post articles from the internet to counter when there's nothing to counter really.

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post Mar 7 2018, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Mar 7 2018, 02:12 PM)
Sorry De Luffy, I'm not trying to argue but will point out some inconsistencies.

2 Timothy 3:16 no where mentioned Bible alone. It means it is "profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness". The problem is some people adding "alone" 1500 years later. 2 Thes 2:15 says "Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle"

"Praying to the dead" is vastly different from "praying FOR the dead". And if you mean asking the Blessed Virgin and the saints and departed Christians to pray for us because they are dead, perhaps they are only dead physically but they are certainly ALIVE IN CHRIST.

FYI, God already has an image when He became incarnate as Man about 2000 years ago. icon_rolleyes.gif

John 20:20 Jesus told His Apostles: "Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained. " If someone does not confess their sins, how will they know which sins to forgive?

Regarding celibacy: Even today celibacy is not the rule for all Catholic priests. In fact, for Eastern Rite Catholics, married priests are the norm, just as they are for Orthodox and Oriental Christians. Even in the Eastern churches, though, there have always been some restrictions on marriage and ordination. Although married men may become priests, unmarried priests may not marry, and married priests, if widowed, may not remarry. Moreover, there is an ancient Eastern discipline of choosing bishops from the ranks of the celibate monks, so their bishops are all unmarried. Nowadays with the Anglican Ordinariate, we also have married priests who converted from Anglicanism. Not everyone is called to the priesthood, just because you want to, doesn't mean you can. It is a calling, a vocation.

So far from "commanding" marriage in 1 Corinthians 7, in that very chapter Paul actually endorses celibacy for those capable of it: "To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is well for them to remain single as I am. But if they cannot exercise self-control, they should marry. For it is better to marry than to be aflame with passion" (7:8-9). It is only because of this "temptation to immorality" (7:2) that Paul gives the teaching about each man and woman having a spouse and giving each other their "conjugal rights" (7:3); he specifically clarifies, "I say this by way of concession, not of command. I wish that all were as I myself am. But each has his own special gift from God, one of one kind and one of another" (7:6-7, emphasis added). Paul even goes on to make a case for preferring celibacy to marriage: "Are you free from a wife? Do not seek marriage. . . those who marry will have worldly troubles, and I would spare you that. . . . The unmarried man is anxious about the affairs of the Lord, how to please the Lord; but the married man is anxious about worldly affairs, how to please his wife, and his interests are divided. And the unmarried woman or girl is anxious about the affairs of the Lord, how to be holy in body and spirit; but the married woman is anxious about worldly affairs, how to please her husband" (7:27-34).

Paul’s conclusion: He who marries "does well; and he who refrains from marriage will do better" (7:38).

Paul was not the first apostle to conclude that celibacy is, in some sense, "better" than marriage. After Jesus’ teaching in Matthew 19 on divorce and remarriage, the disciples exclaimed, "If such is the case between a man and his wife, it is better not to marry" (Matt 19:10). This remark prompted Jesus’ teaching on the value of celibacy "for the sake of the kingdom":

"Not all can accept this word, but only those to whom it is granted. Some are incapable of marriage because they were born so; some, because they were made so by others; some, because they have renounced marriage for the sake of the kingdom of God. Whoever can accept this ought to accept it" (Matt. 19:11–12).

Notice that this sort of celibacy "for the sake of the kingdom" is a gift, a call that is not granted to all, or even most people, but is granted to some. Other people are called to marriage. It is true that too often individuals in both vocations fall short of the requirements of their state, but this does not diminish either vocation, nor does it mean that the individuals in question were "not really called" to that vocation. The sin of a priest doesn’t necessarily prove that he never should have taken a vow of celibacy, any more than the sin of a married man or woman proves that he or she never should have gotten married. It is possible for us to fall short of our own true calling.
https://www.catholic.com/tract/celibacy-and-the-priesthood
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It's interesting in John 20:20, the phrase..if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven..."krateó" where you get the word "kratos" = Strong, Mighty, Prevail. The meaning there is geared =To retain, take hold of.

My point is...I think only God can forgive and judicially because of the blood of Christ. If Man is able to pardon sin...that would be something of a dispute imo.

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post Mar 7 2018, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Mar 7 2018, 04:03 PM)
Only God can forgive sins. In Mark 2:1–12 we find what you are saying in the story of the healing of the paralytic. When Jesus saw the paralytic, he said to him, "Your sins are forgiven" (Mark 2:5). The scribes gave the same objection that you raised—that is, that only God can forgive sins. They asked, "Who can forgive sins except God alone?" And they were right. But notice how Jesus changes this later in the story. He performs the miracle of healing precisely to show that "the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins" (Mark 2:10). So what was once only in heaven is now on earth because Jesus has the authority to forgive.

In John 20:19–23. "On the evening of that day, the first day of the week, the doors being shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said to them, ‘Peace be with you.’ When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord. Jesus said to them again, ‘Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.’ And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained."

A priest is not God, but the priest has the power to confer or convey the forgiveness of God—not by his own power but by the power that Christ conferred on his apostles that day recorded for us in John 20:19–23. A priest’s authority to convey forgiveness does not come from himself. It comes from Christ. By the power of the Holy Spirit, the priest stands in the place of Christ to declare the sinner forgiven. That is why the formula of absolution uses the pronoun I. The I is Christ speaking through the human priest. If Jesus had not come to earth, there would be no forgiveness on earth, and if he had not conferred on the apostles this ministry of reconciliation" (2 Cor. 5:18), we would have no forgiveness today. But we can thank God that Christ did indeed come and that he passed on his authority to the Church to reconcile sinners to God.
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Sorry Bro...I'm quite reluctant to see 2 Corinthians 5:18 as giving any person to represent Christ in forgiving anyone's sin. That verse for me tells me we are to preach the message (the word "message" being the key point) of forgiveness of sins as oppose to we representing Christ to forgive anyone's sin.
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post Mar 7 2018, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Mar 7 2018, 04:15 PM)
Oh well, that verse uses "ministry of reconciliation" not "ministry of preach the message". Of course Protestants are reluctant to see that if it doesn't gel with their doctrines. smile.gif
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It's in verse 19 bro. The core word use there is légō where you get logos.

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Mar 7 2018, 04:29 PM)
19 For God indeed was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself, not imputing to them their sins; and he hath placed in us the word of reconciliation.
20 For Christ therefore we are ambassadors, God as it were exhorting by us. For Christ, we beseech you, be reconciled to God.

That's even clearer rclxms.gif
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Ya....the point being in verse 19 and 20....word/message of reconciliation....just like if I preach to you......be reconcile to God...it didn't say anything we represent Christ to forgive sin.
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QUOTE(yeeck @ Mar 7 2018, 04:32 PM)
If that's the case it doesn't make sense why Christ gave authority to certain people to forgive sins.
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Morning Bro.

If you're referring to John 20:23 ....nothing in there that mention it's only for priests to represent Christ in forgiving people's sin. I have to be fair to scripture, if it doesn't say priests...then it's doesn't.

To be fair when Christ spoke John 20:23...they were all disciple..brother as we are..we are all disciples, they were not confer the title of any Church leader yet, not a deacon yet, neither a Church elder... yes? So at THAT level..if indeed Christ confer such authority to certain people, THEN we all qualify. That would not make any sense if we go by your argument on this.

I believe John 20:23 is in reference to how we treat other people..it has to do with this. As Christians..it goes without saying we are to love one another, because if we don't then we are a hypocrite. When Christ gave the Holy Spirit...it is the firm assurance they are saved and they are children of God..hence the very crucial need to walk the talk.

For John 20:23...the closest connected verse that talks of the same context is this verse

Mark 11:25 (NIV) - And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive them, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins."

Matthew 5:23-24 (NIV) - "Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother or sister has something against you, leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to them; then come and offer your gift. "Settle matters quickly with your adversary who is taking you to court. Do it while you are still together on the way, or your adversary may hand you over to the judge, and the judge may hand you over to the officer, and you may be thrown into prison.

Hence why earlier..I mentioned the phrase in the Greek "krateó" which can also mean "strong, mighty, rule...as well as Lay hold, Retain.."

My point is..if we don't forgive someone's sin ...it can be a stronghold. You may not agree I'm sure but scripture is plain...we cannot make it say something it doesn't say. There's no phrase of priest and neither anything (John 20:23) that tells us...the priest represent Christ in forgiving other people's sin because the core of the matter of only God can forgive sin. If you and I can agree "ONLY" God can forgive then it's "ONLY" God...not any representative. Else we confuse over selves over words when we contradict what we say.

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post Mar 8 2018, 09:09 AM

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This song is so inspiring...and anointed (for me) I just have to share it.




AMEN

Revelation 7:9-17

(VERSE 1)
Behold, Jehovah, seated on the throne
Abba, Father, the Well that overflows
The God who was and is and shall be forevermore
Holy is the Lord

(CHORUS)
Amen, Amen
Blessing and honor and glory and power amen
Amen, amen
Blessing and honor and glory and power amen

(VERSE 2)
Behold the Way, the Truth, and the Life
Perfect, Savior, The Blood that washed us white
The God who was and is and shall be forevermore
Holy is the Lord

(BRIDGE)
Holiness has a name and it’s Jesus
Victory has a name and it’s Jesus
The Word has a name and it’s Jesus
Redemption has a name and it’s Jesus

The Emerging Sound Publishing / BMI (admin Music Services)
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post Mar 8 2018, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Mar 8 2018, 09:12 AM)
Coz I'm sad that this thread was taken over by hooligans vmad.gif  vmad.gif
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Chill Chill bro...keep calm.

blessed are the peacemakers...

Video is relevant.... biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(yeeck @ Mar 8 2018, 11:10 PM)
Oh for sure it does.

Priests (presbuteroi) are also known as "presbyters" or "elders." In fact, the English term "priest" is simply a contraction of the Greek word presbuteros. They have the responsibility of teaching, governing, and providing the sacraments in a given congregation (1 Tim. 5:17; Jas. 5:14–15).

Each of us laity for sure only can forgive the sins committed against us personally. But those with authority from Christ to His Apostles and to subsequent people that they lay hands on (ordain) have the authority to forgive sins in the place of Christ.
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Would love to agree with you if you can show the verse that supports the bold. (more importantly...the verse that tells us..those that have the authority to forgive sins in the place of Christ.)

I've read the Catholic answers to this (https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/how-can-a-priest-forgive-sin)
but as I've showed you quite plain...no where it is mention in John 20:23..the word priest is not there.

John 20:23 (KJV) - Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained. <---(no mention of priest, no mention of anyone representing Christ to forgive sin)

Even the Catholic defense of putting forth (from the link)..Jesus priesthood ordain/given to Men to forgive sins (Hebrews 4:14 and 7:25).....there's nothing in those verses that talks about priesthood AND forgiving sins.

Hebrews 4:14 (KJV) - Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. <---(no mention of priest being represented of Christ to forgive sin)
Hebrews 7:25 (KJV) - Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.<---(no mention of priest, no mention of anyone representing Christ to forgive sin)


I don't see any phrases or word of forgiving sins through Priest represented...so where is it?



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