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post Feb 22 2018, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(pehkay @ Feb 22 2018, 09:21 AM)
Much grace to his family. He was one who have real burden for the gospel and he preaches a genuine and living gospel. He cares only that people hear the gospel. He does not care who hears the gospel.
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43144752


6 things He believed in....I like what he said here.

Everyone could be saved - even a notorious gangster


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One of the more intriguing episodes of Graham's life saw him befriend Los Angeles gangland boss Mickey Cohen.

They were introduced by a mutual acquaintance, wiretapper Jimmy Vaus, who had converted to Christianity after attending Graham sermons.

Cohen did not respond to Graham's overtures to convert, but the evangelist stood by him over the years, even reportedly suggesting the gangster could make an outstanding gospel preacher if he chose to follow that path.

Cohen did not take up the suggestion.

"My job is to try to win every person to Christ, especially persons that would have influence for Christ in our society," an optimistic Graham said after one of their meetings, even if Cohen was seeking only to improve his image through the association with Graham.

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post Feb 22 2018, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(Mr. WongSF @ Feb 22 2018, 02:20 PM)
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Romans: 11. 20. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21. For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

For any scripture you bring to support eternal salvation, I will give you two to disprove it  wink.gif
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I actually do understand where you are coming from.

If scripture support Eternal Salvation then it support Eternal Salvation, else the word eternal loses its meaning.
For you try to give 2 or 3 or 100 to disprove only means either you imply there is contradiction in scripture or there is something we don't understand.

Allow me to explain what I mean.

For example Romans 11:20 as for ALL the warning verses that you provided, What You don't understand is that as Saved Born Again believer...we are to change our mindset that how we use to live is wrong. Granted but the warning are...really for people refuse repentance.

How can you say Born again believer refuses repentance? I will tell you why, it's precisely because of teaching such as yours.

You put the focus on self where there is NO power for change. "YOU MUST REPENT, YOU MUST REPENT..THOU SHALL NOT...THOU SHALL NOT".

Ever realize there's hardly much focus of Christ and on Christ in your setting but everything is mostly about "Man" what he needs to do or cannot do.....You get the idea. icon_rolleyes.gif

John 1:17 (NIV) - For the law was given through Moses (All about Man performances); grace and truth came through Jesus Christ ( All about Christ).


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post Feb 22 2018, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(Mr. WongSF @ Feb 22 2018, 03:43 PM)
Hi UW,
i agree with this  nod.gif . So if there are no contradictions in scripture, which i believe there aren't, that means there's something wrong with our interpretation of scripture.

That would also mean either YOU are wrong, or I AM wrong.

Now in response to the few lines you've left me from your above post, yes, i agree a renewal of mind should take place. Yes, it will happen if we submit our will to the HS. But not if we choose to walk away from the faith.
I too understand your concerns:

" True believers can have a full assurance of their eternal salvation (1 John 5:11-13). This would be impossible if we could lose our salvation.[1]

. . . if you believe that you can lose your salvation whenever you cease to believe or fall into sin, then assurance is beyond reach. That is why I tried to establish in an earlier chapter the doctrine of the security of the believer. If we are not sure that our relationship with God is eternally secure, it is very difficult to grow in the Christian life. "

Am i correct?
Anyway, at the risk of going off-tangent here, lets stick back to OSAS.

You believe Christians can't go back to being unsaved & i'm saying believers can fall from grace. That is all there is to it! The 2nd seed of the parable of the sower is a bullet proof point.
I have a suspicion that your understanding of the words "eternal security" is wrong.  You could/might have jumbled up eternal security & eternal salvation.

There are verses in the Bible that are written in the present tense, and most are not aware of the implications.

You can even check these whole verses with the Greek or Hebrew if you fear them losing their original meaning.

Here is an excerpt :
What Does 1 John 5:13 Really Say?

Many people who base their salvation assurance on 1 Jn. 5:13 are unaware that it refers only to those who have a present-tense belief in Jesus!

Please notice verse 13 from Young’s Literal Translation:

These things I did write to you who are believing[26] in the name of the Son of God, that ye may know that life ye have age-during, and that ye may believe in the name of the Son of God.

This important truth about the word believing automatically changes the meaning that we should have of this often-cited passage.

The truth is, this passage offers salvation assurance only to those who presently are believing in Jesus.
He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life (1 Jn. 5:12, NIV).

Please note this verse does not say, he who had the Son, but has the Son has life, which is also present tense!

With the present tense still in mind, John repeated the same truth, but this time from the negative, “he who does not have [present-tense] the Son of God does not have life”
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Put it another way, eternal security is true, when i finally get to heaven. then it's forever & ever. Eternal in that sense. But while we're still on the Earth, a very real spiritual battle is still on-going for our souls.

There are many danger verses in the Bible telling us to be careful of spiritual negligence. I can actually reconcile all the Grace verses + these other verses easily from an anti-OSAS POV.

On the other hand, OSAS proponents can only accept the GRACE verses but sweep the other verses under the rug to make their doctrine fit.
There are many examples in the Bible too. Demas for instance. Demas left the ministry and went back to the world. Apostasy is a very real fact of life. 
Anyway, i can already observe that the majority of those in this fellowship are Calvinistic at heart. Some to a lesser degree. Some more. I guess i'll just have to leave you be  icon_rolleyes.gif
But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife. And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will. - 2 Timothy 2:23-26
https://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/getsaved.htm
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Which is precisely the point. The power to change can only be found in God...Whoever has the Son of God has life. So where is the focus of your Anti OSAS? Isn't it on the performance of Man?

Can I be anymore clearer? smile.gif
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post Feb 22 2018, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(zanness @ Feb 22 2018, 03:12 PM)
To those who believe salvation by works/law
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the above is Self explanatory
And to put a fullstop to those still debating on living by law, losing salvation etc..

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And why God had to send His only Son, Jesus to persecuted on the cross..
YES, it is for our sins.. but more importantly, it is because ONLY HE IS WORTHY...
Revelation 5:6,7

6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

He was worthy not because of merely His Identity as the Son of God, but more importantly he lived a human life sinless.. He was the final price to pay.. and if merely just dripping blood is able to save us, then its so much easier. But his death symbolized the ultimate sacrifice of the Lamb..

With that, we are no more judged by law, but judged  by faith, and its just one question.
Do you, or do you not, believe in Jesus Christ.. that's all that's needed..
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Yup, Thank you Bro.
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post Feb 22 2018, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(Mr. WongSF @ Feb 22 2018, 02:20 PM)
Likewise, i also don't like your preaching of "easy believism"  puke.gif

There's no "irony" to what i'm saying. You still pretend to not understand. By declaring you're OSAS, you're in effect already taking a stance for continuing in sin after initial salvation. That is your default position.

I'm not unfairly pinning anything on you. I'm questioning your integrity. Don't you get it?

You say you are OSAS, but that you don't believe Christians should cont sinning, in & of itself is a contradiction. Either that, or you're confused! And i think you're confused!
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It's not mine but that is what God has offered, you don't like it, you bring it up to Him. Why Puke on What Christ came to do? He made the way....We enter in.

You on the other hand paint the impression that we need to climb the highest mountain and do some self inflicting penance to qualify Salvation.

You're not pinning anything on me but you're questioning my intergrity? LOL And you think I'm confused? biggrin.gif
Bro read what you've just said...no wonder the much confusion.

If you question my integrity (which is irrelevant) then you ARE pinning something on me. Don't confuse yourself.

No, Again you're putting your words into our mouth.

If we are against sinning, then we are against. You're insisting we encourage sinning. We never preach such.

Those came from your prejudiced opinion and it's not biblical.

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post Feb 22 2018, 09:29 PM

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QUOTE(Mr. WongSF @ Feb 22 2018, 07:20 PM)
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If you're pinning on me, you're pinning on me, there's no need for you to get roused up just to try to throw this off.
You're not pinning anything on me but you're blaming "MY" integrity? <---What is this? You cannot see this simple contradiction?
And You start playing the victim game.

I couldn't answer you...I remain quiet?

Really? When was the last time you actually answered my many questions that remain unanswered?

Here it is again and these are some of the verses that talks about Eternal Salvation.

Why do you need God to condemn you if you're inline with walking with God's spirit? Romans 8:1? Duh?
Why do you need God to keep you safe from being plucked out of his hand, if you are obedient? Double Duh? (Citing obedience is the key condition of not losing salvation?) (John 10:28)

Can you answer that?

1) First of all I don't start off at OSAS. I start at where Christ is. When a person understand how and where the power of sin loses it's grip, that is when the believer will see Eternal Salvation, He can't lose it.
The very reason why you don't even know if you will be saved is simply because you depend on your performance. Scripture tells very clearly Salvation is by Grace "APART" from yourselves. You are putting "yourselves" into the equation. You contradict scripture, THAT is heresy.

I think I've mentioned a million times but you just cannot see this. You are afraid of trusting in Christ being the Savior, you need a part of yourself to be the savor.


2) King David belongs to the Old Covenant, in case you haven't notice. All that you're fighting for.....are OLD COVENANT argument...from the very beginning. All the warning verses you put forth, you're arguing with Old Covenant Mindset.

2nd Peter 2:22 is in reference to False Teachers and many times over they deny Christ. That is the context. What has it got to do with losing Salvation?
Ezekiel 18:20 is under the Old Covenant. You need to adhere to God's Law for justification. Your point is moot.
Colossians 1:22-23 supports what we preached....As long as we continue in our Faith. Christ is the one who made the way possible...Easy Believism? Take it up with God if you have problem with this.

I can go on and on...but what is the point? You're not hearing.

I don't see how or where the verses that you gave so far discredit anything. Really. It's just going round in circles..partly some of the verses that you throw.....I half suspect you pluck it from some Anti-OSAS website without even reading through it. (Colossians 1:22-23 is one fine example)

Lastly... I'm not throwing you off. I know what is sanctified and obedient lifestyle, I do, I came from where you were...the doctrines you subscribe to. But today..... how to arrive there, is where I differ from you.
You believe in strong emphasis of obedience...I believe it's by grace.

Just to prove the point where I don't believe what u subscribe to has really worked....I just need to ask you this.

Have you been delivered from the bondage of pornography based on the theology you've practiced? It would honor me n everyone else to answer this honestly.

You believe in obedience right?

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post Feb 23 2018, 08:24 AM

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Thanks for your answer.

No. What happened to David is not simply concluded it doesn't apply to us. What happened to David works within the covenant God cuts under the OT. That is how it was. If you and I lived under that dispensation then ALL that you've said and argued for is something I would have agreed because that was the agreement between God and his people.

Now for my Part.

Yes I was delivered but I didn't force it because I feared hell or anything like that. The desire just left......without 1 inch of my effort. I know it's the HS...it cannot be me. Because if it was "me" it wouldn't have lasted.

You lived 30+ years of your life, I lived more than 40+ years of my life.

And I've come to conclude (actually I've contemplated on this before you came into the scene) back in 2017....there is a place for Grace and there is a place for Hard preaching as to what you subscribe to.

Funny thing is...what you said about more answered prayers is the same thing that happened to me. I see Father God responded far more consistent when I subscribe to his of Grace (I call it hyper grace) as compared to subscribing to what you subscribe to now. I don't believe in all these Hard Repentance.

Now the thing is....You had it the hard way....I had it the easier way. You will arrive where I arrive just that we will arrive Faster because God is the one who works in our life ..not us.

Are both wrong that it doesn't work? Not really. Because the Bible says if you want to live by the Law, you have to live up to it ALL the way, break one is as good as breaking ALL of them and it's under a curse. (Read Galatians 3) The curse is...you will always have it the hard way and you will never be in a place of peace. That is why you don't know if you will be saved at the end of your life. You only hope so. You will always struggle gritting your teeth. Will it work? Yes God's Law works but it is very very hard. The moment you slipped (And you will one day sooner or later) ...what happened in that moment you falled from God, you passed on? You think all your effort in upholding God's Law would matter? Remember...No one can be righteous in their own strength...God consider it as filthy rags. What will happen to you then?

You get the idea? That is the difference.

Truth is, Why God work in your life is because...along the way you believed, though you think your performance mattered (it does not). You didn't know that and you think your hard repentance is the key.

You cannot say GRACE or OSAS is heresy because I lived and subscribe to it. I know the things God has moved or changed in my life and my family's life. It is astounding I know it's God. I have people in my family who are against Christianity but today they are praying and worshipping with me in Church. IF what I believed in is Heresy...God would have not answered me...No? Or you want to tell me it's the devil who saved my family to Christ? smile.gif


ps: you still haven't answered my 2 primary questions.

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post Feb 23 2018, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(pehkay @ Feb 23 2018, 12:35 PM)
Don't like that .... then someone will say something and we will be in trouble biggrin.gif
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I think it's only right we should at least give room to people....and not to make fun of another.

Some people loves belting out sarcasm befitting of a small child.

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QUOTE(MPIK @ Feb 23 2018, 12:42 PM)
That's why I seldom read the Bible but I did believe in God... no one told me about this when I accepted Christ until recently someone share with me this.
There's are tons and tons more of contradictions and here's I share a few.

Bible Inconsistencies - Bible Contradictions

John 1:1, 10:30 Jesus and God are one.
John 14:28 God is greater than Jesus.

John 3:17, 8:15, 12:47 Jesus does not judge.
John 5:22, 5:27-30, 9:39, Acts 10:42, 2nd Corinthians 5:10 Jesus does judge.

Exodus 34:6-7, Joshua 24:19, 1 Chronicles 16:34 God is faithful, holy and good.
Isaiah 45:6-7, Amos 3:6 God is responsible for evil.

Matthew 5:22 Anger by itself is a sin.
Ephesians 4:26 Anger is not necessarily a sin.

Matthew 5:17-19, Luke 16:17 Jesus did not come to abolish the law.
Ephesians 2:13-15, Hebrews 7:18-19 Jesus did abolish the law.

Matthew 1:16 Jacob was Joseph's father.
Luke 3:23 Heli was Joseph's father.

Joshua 11:20 God shows no mercy to some.
Luke 6:36, James 5:11 God is merciful.

Mathew 8:16, Luke 4:40 Jesus healed all that were sick.
Mark 1:32-34 Jesus healed many (but not all).
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Timeline and overall sequences of the Bible and understanding the Bible from overall perspective..will help you to see there is no contradiction.

For example

Matthew 5:17-19, Luke 16:17 Jesus did not come to abolish the law.
Ephesians 2:13-15, Hebrews 7:18-19 Jesus did abolish the law.


In Matthew 5, Christ said in the same passage, HE came to fulfill the requirement of the Law..hence why the Law cannot be abolished (at that point in time). If it's abolished, how can He fulfilled it?
In Ephesians 2, After Christ Ascension, He became the fulfillment of the Law...and He is the End of the Law for all who believe in Him, hence why the Law no longer has any imputation to the believers. Hence why it is abolished for the believers but at the same time still stand valid against unbelievers.

See the sequence.



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post Feb 23 2018, 10:06 PM

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QUOTE(MPIK @ Feb 23 2018, 05:22 PM)
actually what makes you trust the Bible so much?
all these years, I only believe in God in my heart but I don't read the Bible because I believe the Bible is the past... just history... we should focus on the future,
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Bro...It's not so much about me believing the Bible but The Bible proving itself to be true step by step....little by little as I make my journey in life.
That is what got me hooked.

I told God, I don't want to claim I know everything about the Bible but teach me so that I can understand your word.

First step ...for me in approaching this........ I let go of whatever I think I know and be an empty vessel for God to fill me with his knowledge.

That is the right approach to discovering the revelation. God words are living spirit..His Spirit in case you didn't know...it is not normal letters as in any books.

Meaning to say his words are Alive and it can speak to the heart.

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Based on true events.
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Sophiera


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You speak and waters crash upon the sand
The oceans push and pull at Your command
You hold the moon and stars within Your hands
And all with just a breath, the world began
We sing...

God, there is nobody like You, God
There is nobody like You, God
And there will never be
There will never be anyone like You, Jesus

When nothing we could do would be enough
From Heaven's highest place, You reached for us
My sin and shame forever overcome
Oh the grave was overwhelmed by perfect love
Yeah, we sing...

God, there is nobody like You, God
There is nobody like You, God
And there will never be
God, there is nobody like You, God
There is nobody like You, God
And there will never be
There'll never be
There will never be
Anyone like You, Jesus

'Cause Your Name is greater, than any name I know
Your Throne is higher, than any other throne
You are the Author, the Creator of it all
You stand alone, You stand alone

Oh God, there is nobody like You, God
There is nobody like You, God
And there will never be
God, there is nobody like You, God
There is nobody like You, God
And there will never be
There'll never be

Songwriters: Jake Espy, Bryan Fowler, Jason Ingram
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post Feb 27 2018, 08:14 AM

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QUOTE(MPIK @ Feb 26 2018, 10:04 AM)


Human greatest mystery... The age of Jesus from 12 to 30 is totally unaccounted for... not recorded in the Bible.

This sometimes makes me lost faith in Christ.

Of course some of you may argue that it is totally not important and irrelevant... But too bad I do not buy into that. Otherwise, National Geographic will not waste time to produce this video.

Don't get me wrong. please....Since He is such an important person we trust all the time, I believe every events happening within Him must be well documented like other famous persons around the world.

Don't blame me as well... admin can delete this post too if you feel that offended you. I trust a lot on facts and evidence and recently I lost a lot of faith in Christianity, maybe I am a science and tech guy.
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For me I count all the sayings and even wise quotes of wisdom of the world as unimportant compared to what God has to say.

If the Holy Spirit deemed it as unimportant for us to know Christ growing up years...then it isn't.

You did ask me what's so important about the Bible. Apart from the Bible, there is nothing else that comes close that can help us understand God.
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I didn't know Billy Graham said this tongue.gif

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Feb 27 2018, 09:20 AM)
It's correct what he said there's nothing wrong for human to seek riches but when riches possessed us then it's wrong
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Actually we don't have to seek Richness...just seek God's Kingdom and seek Christ Righteousness represented....God will provide everything and much more.

We don't have to seek but it's not wrong to believe God can and will move the person out of the position of lack and prosper.... smile.gif

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QUOTE(WyjSwmW @ Feb 27 2018, 10:23 AM)
Once again.... For this statement, I have seen many typical old fashioned or conventional Christians saying about this. Come on....

If one doesn't seek riches in which many sees money as a momentum motivator... better..

1) don't send your kids to good education and become lawyers, doctors, accountants and earn good salary in the future. better just read the bible and seek God truths, learn his Words everyday and be a normal guy earning RM2K a month is enough.

2) just drive a Viva for the rest of your life... why bother earning more to upgrade a Civic or Audi? What's wrong with pursuing your dreams to drive a better car with the better money you have obtained?

3) why even bother to invest in stocks, properties to accumulate your wealth?

4) why Christians even bother to start a business in which money...and only money that drive profits is the main KPI this corporate world.

5) why so many famous Datuks, CEOs, rich business owners and tycoons that makes tons of money every single day are good Christians??

I see nothing wrong when one pursue profits, pursue riches and accumulate tons of wealth and wealth... as long as it is not obtained in an illegal way.

I am a Christian myself and I always seek ways to accumulate wealth, and I have 2 businesses... Maybe for those Christians that against me, they can better just study the Bible daily, pursue God's kingdom....live an ordinary life, get a RM2k salary a month... buy the cheapest smartphone like Xiaomi, just stay in some low cost units for the rest of your life, give your kids a simple meal daily (no need to go fancy expensive restaurants to have an expensive meal), drive a Viva and hope God will provide the rest...
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Well there's 2 way to go about this.

One is ....your way, you doing the seeking, thus by the sweat of your brow....your effort, your pain, tears and all that.

Another way is through the way of rest, there is no need to worry while God is the one prospering the one who trust to provide.

So it's up to you really.


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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Feb 27 2018, 11:30 AM)
RICHES can come in many forms it doesn't have to money based at all, reasons we people seek riches in money is to improve a better lives and not to be left behind, the society gap today still exist everywhere, take a look at India, caste discrimination, in Afghanistan and Pakistan Racial and gender discrimination.

In our own country society discrimination Racial discrimination.  All this are results of riches possessed us. Aak ourselves this question, do discriminate or judge anyone in our lives? If you can answer that then you're sinless like Lord Jesus.
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That is what happen when one allow riches to control the person's character......then again there are prosperous believers who are not controlled by money but by God.

I think it's important to give a fair view on this and not allow stereotypes to come in.
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QUOTE(MPIK @ Feb 27 2018, 11:54 AM)
how do you know if riches control a person or otherwise?

as far as I know, the only time when riches control a person is when the person gamble, committing crime for the sole purpose of money.

Other than that, there is absolutely nothing wrong for one to pursue riches. We are living in a democratic country anyway... just remember to give back some to God as offering whenever you attend church.
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Well I'm not judging anyone just to be clear.

but how I know?

When the person seeks money above God, his worry in life is more on money.

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QUOTE(MPIK @ Feb 27 2018, 12:45 PM)
First of all, I am a very very very science and technology kind of person. I love to read a lot of documentaries and do a lot of research.

I personally feel that God is in existence.

Before that, I did a lot of research... one of them is the Big Bang... if you analyse this way, for the Big Bang to occur of this scale, only God can make this happen. Imagine until today, there are millions of stars still bursting away from each other following the Big Bang billions of years ago.

I have a good life now, everyone in my family is healthy and happy... I don't take these for granted.. and I believe all these are a result of God's blessings and protection.

Then of course miracles... I watched a lot of youtube video seeing how the sick with stage 4 cancer just healed overnight... keyword is "overnight"

On the other hand, the Bible. I always has doubts on how true is the Bible.
Who wrote the book of Genesis when there is no human before Genesis 1:1 ? Likewise for 10 commandments... is it really true? i know is God's commands... but how come it can be in documentary form? and many others.
The great flood (Naoh's case), many scientists couldn't find evidence that earth was once heavily flooded.
If Adam and Eve are the first male and females respectively... then how about Cain's wife? Where did Cain's wife came from???
Of course, there are many dozens of inconsistencies and contradictions around the Bible too... I posted them a few days ago in this thread.

and finally, I feel that the Bible is also too boring to be frank...
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Anyway...keep the Faith in Christ alive Bro.
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