Don't worry about the trolls, the Mods n Staff have been quite efficient and helpful in keeping this thread intact. You'll noticed that some post that challenges our Faith stays and is never deleted. Why? Is it because we can answer those questions? Answer is no. Those post stay Because like you, they are genuine questions that comes from wanting to know. Whether we can answer or not is beside the point.

The ones that gets deleted are the saja want to cari pasal and want to cause trouble. Those we don't tolerate. We know who are the genuines and who are the trolls. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure who are they.

The Bible is never meant to be forced...You must follow any person's interpretation, It's left to your prerogative but of course there are guidelines.

It is in my opinion, we need to respect Science's finding as they're neutral and they are also what God has given and enable Man to be and to understand. You should know there are many Christian Scientist even in the early age making remarkable discovery more than hundreds of years ago.

The only thing we reject are the point that assert there wasn't creation but a big bang or whatever people purported. That will be hard to disprove. Even Atheist have taken up the position that the universe has always existed in replace of God has always existed outside of time.

As it is you know there is Old Earth Creation as well as Young Earth Creation. We leave this to your discretion. You can check it out in the web how the Word "Day" can also fit in the meaning of "Age".

And to me personally, does this shakes my Faith? Answer = it doesn't. Why? Because it's immaterial the essence of the message in the Bible. The Bible is never in mind for God to communicate to Man as a Science Journal. Hence why there's so many things that's irrelevant to the finding of Science.

But it is the Truth? For Christians, it is. We simply believe because nobody can for a fact prove the beginning. We in a way work backwards. If God is real and true, then we believe what God says also is true. I don't really care and neither am I afraid for anyone to tell me of being foolish for this. I simply don't care for the opinions of man when it comes to be pitted with God's word because to me the Word of God and God himself is far more real than the any sayings of Man and whatever Man can ever give. This comes from experiential reality not some random gibberish saying for the sake of defending.

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I'll watch it when I have the time.

Regarding Cain and Abel's offering, did the video mention why one's offering was accepted by God while the other rejected?



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Self Effort here is always in the context of bringing whatever of ourselves to God for justification, for approval, to please God. Things like that.

I'm not talking about social aid like psychological help.

but for me personally, the trust for well being of a person has got to be in the Lord rather than in the institution of Man but it doesn't mean we as Christians cannot go for psychological help if there is a need, same thing with Doctors. We should go to them by all means but the trust for healing whether physical or emotional has to be in God because everything instituted by Man in this world is in fallen state whereas God's word isn't fallen. It is eternally and consistently true hence the reliability for physical or emotional health in God is much higher.

If you think about it, whatever help that is of this world, be it medicine or psychological isn't perfect, even if there are breakthrough medicines, there could side effects whereas God's word does not have any.

http://www.ichretien.com/actualite/un-demi...-dieu-4447.html

Hundreds of Thousands
Gather in the Streets of
Ukraine to Praise the
Name of Jesus , after the president finally gave liberty to preach the gospel which was banned for many years ..


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You guys can read it here
https://www.facebook.com/groups/86247412380...28575307194387/

Here is the comment;

Staphay Leo
God is good but y was preaching d gospel banned?

Leah Boudreaux
They were celebrating that they were no longer under a communist rule that prevented them from freely living for God.

(Worthy News) - The streets of Kiev filled with songs of praise and thanks as 500,000 evangelical, Ukrainian Christians gathered to celebrated the 500th anniversary of the protestant reformation.

"Many traveled from all four provinces there just to be a part of that celebration, to thank God for the freedom to worship, to thank God for the freedom to preach the Gospel in their country, and to celebrate God's faithfulness," Sergey Rakhuba with Mission Eurasia told Mission Network News.

The gathering came after Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko signed an order recognizing the anniversary of the reformation.



http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/cwn/2017/septe...e-name-of-jesus.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 6 2017, 02:45 PM

Explanation above.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 6 2017, 03:06 PM

I just want to say something.

I think I did nothing wrong. What I posted was correct. Reason why I deleted Desmond2020 post is because I did not want any argument. But then I take it as my fault I didn't give him a chance to voice out his opinion for the reason he tried to cause aggravation the last time hence I take it that he never had any genuine intention for the fellowship but to just trigger others as his per his usual characteristic.

You all know I don't personally attack anyone. Many of you do. Let be honest.
You make fun of me, you slander me and yet I never retaliate against you. I forgave you.

but time and time again, this charade goes on and on and of course I'm human, I can feel discourage at time. It is during my down moments I lack patience.

Before I came in, Christian Fellowship was dead.

I came in and revive it. We had good time. But some of you never understood for the reason of the fellowship, in fact there are couple of you who question it's purpose you say it's useless.

But I noticed it has help some christians who are lost.

You want to destroy the fellowship, fine by me. Just know that you are attacking your own brother and sister in Christ.

I find that...is something wrong. And you don't realize it.

I've never disturb your life shioks, but you have laughed, you've mocked me, you insult me.

I let it go. For me this is how I submit to the Lord. But for you, But seeing you have resentment towards me even though I don't know you at all in life..then I guess let us settle here once and for all.

You have a problem.

Prove to me then, what have I done wrong.

If you are right, I will relent and apologize.

But if you are unable to prove anything then you owe me an apology, shioks.

I rather have closure and live in peace then for you to keep on attacking me unnecessary.

Go ahead. Spill it out, what is it?

BTW you can stop your hypocrisy about not interested in this thread, you can say this thread is useless but you still came in.

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Don't understand why "the realist" / Sylar111 is so bitter.





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Explain the fall of Man, how evil came in and how the Cross is something that God did. That answers the accusation God did nothing.

It answers nothing for you because you do not understand the purpose of the cross.

Ok, Tell me, what do you understand the purpose of the cross?

I appeal to the one reading this, please don't report zamorin.

Bro...I perfectly understand your point and I would agree with you but give this zamorin guy a chance. He's asking a question. It is after a few more rounds of refusing to explain how much he knows and if he goes on attacking excessively then it will warrant a report.

But before that I think keep calm brother.

No it's not really unbelievers fault like zamorin. I would blame it on internal fights within Christians of labelling us as cult or false prophet as the cause. the damage is more when it's done by our community.

I noticed when this thread becomes active, they come in to stir up the pot, but when there's hardly people participating, they couldn't be bothered.

Jealousy/insecurity maybe. It's just like when the Church is Big or Mega...then comes all the criticism but if the Church is small, nobody really bothers.

This is something I learn in my life, sometime people are just insecure or jealous. People can say whatever they want to deny but.....

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 11 2017, 11:43 AM

how so irrelevant? so again this is the 3rd time I'm asking, what do you know about it?

I'm willing to stake, you don't really understand it's purpose.

of course the beating around the bush, it's obvious. You don't know what it's all about.

I'll make this simple.

The cross of Jesus Christ is the answer to all those questions asked.

If you're going to ask me how so, then I was correct, you don't know what is the purpose of the cross.

But you deny and you tell me I presume only..hence I asked you to clarify what you know about the cross but you refuse to or unable to answer.

This is the merry go round.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 11 2017, 12:32 PM

Sigh, that is why I told you, if you understood the purpose of the cross, then you will understand the answer.

the problem right now is that you don't even know the details of the cross why it happen, what is the purpose.

Sigh.

So Do you know or do you NOT know?

It's a simple yes or no.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 11 2017, 12:38 PM

Am I not being to fair to you when I DID ask you, what do you know about it?

Ok gimme a bit of time, I promise I will answer you.


Lunch time la.

“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”


― Epicurus

First of all, understand the nature of God. God is a God of justice and righteousness, this means that He does not bend rules according to his whim and fancy, whatever that is or was established, He follows through, else God cannot be trusted, would you not agree? Same thing you would expect of a High Court Judge, you expect him to uphold justice and fairness, else the world system will be in complete chaos.

What do I mean? Things like, there has to be punishment for the wicked, else criminals will reign free, you get the idea. What is right, should be commended, what is wrong must have justification, either to correct the wrong or recompense to whatever that was wronged.

This world has fallen and The Fact that evil came into this world is an undeniable evidence of free will. For Free will to really be Free will, Man must be able to make a wrong choice from the right then there IS Freewill.

So what is the relevance? If There is Free Will then it means that God has given Man his own free choice to choose, to do right or wrong.

Adam displayed free will when He disobeyed God not to partake the Fruit that was fore-warned earlier that If he does take it, He will die, to which he did.

Now remember I said God is a God of justice? By right Adam should have died because he disobeyed. Why? Because Sin came into this world as the result of that. So what is Sin? Sin is something intangible, it's like a force if you will, like Love and Grace. Sin basically corrupts Man and this world which you and I live in today. That is why the nature of Man towards destruction and why there is evil in this world.

yet Despite of God being righteous, He spared Adam by killing another life in his place. It was an animal to which we were not privy to detail, all we know is that an animal died in judgement in place of Adam, hence why God cloth Adam with the animal skin.

I call that Love. God loved his creation and would rather that He live and not die.

That was one animal for Adam. What about the rest of the world? What about today?

Because of Sin inherited to every person borned, everyone man was geared for destruction, God cannot sweep Sin under the carpet and ignore it. There has to be a proper procedure to deal with this. God forewarned Death is the only result because sin entered in. We understand death as in passed on from this life but the death that God meant is the death of everything. It's talking about corruption and the likes of it.

We were all sentenced to eternal condemnation because of sin. Why we are hostile and in conflict with one another is because of the nature of sin.

See, Sin corrupts the Man and caused Man with the propensity to do wrong. Even if He wants to do right, it is very hard. It's like a embedded DNA that influence the nature over a long period of time in history.

So what is God's answer to this predicament? Answer is the cross of Jesus Christ.

See despite of Man rightful place to destruction (because of sin..the matter of justice), YET God in Mercy, sacrifice his own begotten Son to represent all of us. That whoever accept Christ Sacrifice on the cross will be redeemed from destruction. It goes without saying the person should also repent or turn away from sin. There is more to explain but i'll spare you the detail for now else this will be too long.

Yet is it enough? Answer is no. This world, everything in it, is tainted with Sin, hence you have things like deformity, evil, injustice, crime, etc etc...too long a list. God has sentence this world to destruction, there is no redeeming this world. On Judgement Day, God will appear to everyone to judge every Man and Woman for their deeds done right or wrong.

There will be a destruction of this world and a New Earth and Heaven will come in to replace this former world where all the redeemed people will live on. Hence the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the reason for Christianity. In this new place, the former things, the former system of the world will be no more because in here God will rule as how you expected of Epicurus has said.

In Heaven and New Earth, God will be the one who govern and rule. There will be no evil in existence.

So to answer..YES God did something, the Cross of Jesus Christ is the answer.

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