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LYN Christian Fellowship V13 (Group), ALL about Jesus Christ.
LYN Christian Fellowship V13 (Group), ALL about Jesus Christ.
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Aug 18 2017, 09:56 AM
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Aug 18 2017, 10:03 AM
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Aug 18 2017, 10:05 AM
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Aug 18 2017, 10:14 AM
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Aug 18 2017, 10:23 AM
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Aug 18 2017, 10:34 AM
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Here is another verse to show God is the one working, not us.
Philippians 2:13 (NIV) - for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose. Our Position is to receive that. This is the New Covenant Grace , of "I will" of God. You must have the desire to receive, meaning to say, you want access to God resources. Many time I needed this to overcome the flaws of bad character. |
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Aug 18 2017, 10:49 AM
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Listen to the prayer (after the song) of this Gangster Rapper...Even He can understand what is Grace, What is Salvation. I'm not into religion but into relationship with Christ as this man is. |
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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Aug 19 2017, 04:59 PM) This is stupid. The devil tempted Jesus the same thing by asking him to jump off the roof. The answer? Do not test the LORD. HilaryClinton Is sylar Dupe. lol.Intentionally drinking poison is not the same as people who're sick from no fault of their own. Or are you implying that all sickness is self inflicted? That's a whole other level of arrogance there. Don't worry about him. |
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Aug 19 2017, 06:37 PM
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Aug 19 2017, 07:39 PM
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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Aug 19 2017, 04:59 PM) This is stupid. The devil tempted Jesus the same thing by asking him to jump off the roof. The answer? Do not test the LORD. I believe that verse applies when a person is forced to drink poison by some circumstance or by another person and not because he purposely want to test this whether this verse is true or not.Intentionally drinking poison is not the same as people who're sick from no fault of their own. Or are you implying that all sickness is self inflicted? That's a whole other level of arrogance there. What Sylar suggested is as you know stupid, so just ignore him. |
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Aug 22 2017, 10:02 AM
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What is the Gospel?
Galatians (KJV) 1:6-7 -I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. To start off, every word in Scripture is God breathed but not every word in scripture is the gospel. The word Marvel here is not the Avengers Marvel but Paul was shocked or surprised that there is another gospel preached in error. The Gospel means Good News. What is Good News? Preaching of doom and gloom is good news? Preaching putting demands on the people towards God is good news? They are far from good news and is never the gospel. Have you noticed people in the United States, holding placards with words written like Repent! Hell is Real, Most Christians going to Hell, Turn to Jesus or Burn in Hell, etc? If you think about it, anybody can quote scripture, but are they telling the Gospel? Those placard should be showing John 3:16: For God so loved the World, that whoever believes in Him Shall never Perish! That is the real Gospel or Good News..Instead of message of doom n gloom. Jesus Christ came to unveil a gospel that some people may find quite foreign to accept, as much as how the pharisees didn't accept because it sounded foreign to them. The pharisees, leaders of Israel, teachers of the Law was used to the people coming to them, so that they can be the middle person to connect the people to God (their position, the benefit of temple money, etc). They have corrupted their position; instead of helping people, they made (what was already impossible), difficult for the people to come to God. They didn't like it when Christ came to make God easily accessible. And sadly some people today, wanted to put God on the throne not so easy to approach and put people a bit of distance..not too close else they'll scream blasphemy....Religion and spirit of legality. Today, I'm here to unveil to you the Gospel as how Christ intended to be. I believe some Church throughout the years have stifled the truth, by mixing the demands of the Law on the believers, corrupting the pure Gospel. Galatians 1:6-7 tells us very very plainly and clearly. GRACE OF CHRIST = The Gospel. There is no other Gospel other than this, The verse strongly tells us this. So serious is this that Paul announce a double Curse (anathema) to anyone who preaches a different Gospel or a different Jesus. (Galatians 1 verse 8 & 9). Meaning to say there will be no resources (no backing from God) No power in preaching a different gospel, lives will not be transformed. If you notice people are in the place of stagnant, no character change, no miracles from God in their life, bitter, always angry, usually gloom, hardly joyful, you know what sort of gospel they're hearing. So it stands to reason to understand what is the Grace of Christ? What is Grace? Never allow anyone to define you grace, let the Bible define it. With Regards to Salvation, Ephesians 2:8 & Romans 3:24 explain it the strongest Ephesians 2:8-9 (NIV) - For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God not by works, so that no one can boast. Romans 3:23-24 (NIV) - for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus. The definition of Grace is explained clearly here; Romans 4:4-5 (NIV) - Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness. In summary, what it basically means is this. If you can work for Salvation then God is obliged to credit that due to you as obligation. Grace on the other hand is a gift of God, unearned or unmerited. The Gospel is about the Gift of God as unearned or unmerited and it is based on the work of Christ on the cross. Our Faith (Trust) in God who justify the ungodly (You and I) make us Righteous in Christ. So when there are Christians teaching, putting demands on the Believer, Obedience, the focus is on what you do right or wrong is key to Salvation, that is another Gospel. They're preaching God is obligated to you type of Gospel. Jesus Christ came to unveil a Gospel that is FREE from all merits. A gift given to you, your position is to receive and allow Grace to change your Life. The Bible clearly states..It is the Goodness of God that lead us to repentance, not the Law or any doctrine or saying of Man. This means God will continually be good to you, despite of your imperfection, you can continue to receive Good that you don't deserve. That will change you, that is the Good News! God Bless. |
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What is the Gospel? Part 2
Matthew 25:41 (NIV) - Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. In the previous devotion, we can understand Grace is the Gospel. What was the point of the whole explanation? Salvation can never be earned. It gives greater assurance that anyone can be saved by this, more than the Laws of God can. The 10 commandments was never implemented to save you, it was implemented to bring you to the end of yourself where you come to the place of self reflection if you need a saviour. Grace gives equal opportunity to everyone because everyone can receive it apart from their own works. No amount of good charity that you do or the amount of obedience you rely on, can bring you into Heaven. God wants to give you Salvation FREE from all merit. Not even merited by your own obedience to God's commandment. No Performance, No works. God would not allow this to be obligated as a wage to a worker. Why is this important? Because for too long Churches in Malaysia have in a way MIXED UP Law and Grace as condition to Heaven. They may preach to you Salvation is by Grace and they will also MIX IN, you need to be obedient as the other condition, citing the matter of sin and what not. I perfectly understand that. But many Christian do not understand Grace. Bible has define it FREE from works but Christians do not want it to be free from work, so they'll use another terminology and call obedient as "respond to Faith" (citing Faith without works is dead without understand that context) when in actual FACT it is a performance (Man's Effort) and the way it's commonly preach..hinting God is obligate to you now because you obeyed. If you read the Bible, this is not true under the New Covenant. Some Christians are afraid on banking on Grace alone because they believe without obedience to the Law, people will fall away from God. People are falling away from God because the true Gospel (Grace) is not preached and the Love of God was never unveiled magnificently. Many are still preaching doom and gloom, preaching heavily on sin which caused sincere people to run away because they felt they can never please God. God is not in the business of forcing people, He wants people to do this willingly. I will not further elaborate this as Part 1 of this series has explain this quite sufficiently. Well as mention previously, the word Gospel means Good News. For Good News to mean Good News, What God has to offer has to be Good News. And Grace is truly Good News when we know, we can just receive Salvation freely just like that. What about repentance then? You mean you can do all kind of sin and evil and still go to Hell? What about the hard verse like it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of the needle than a rich man to enter Heaven. Many times many verses are quoted out of context with regards to this. I will handle this, one at a time. One Devotion is never sufficient to explain everything. I will explain the hard verses in Part 3 of this series. Many times when Jesus Christ proclaim the Gospel, He also warn of Hell. First we need to understand clearly, God did not create predominantly Hell for you. It was originally created for the Devil and his fallen angels as stated in the text of today's devotion. So do not have this idea, God is unkind or evil to create hell to send people in. Many times in the Bible, it is recorded God is NOT Willing for anyone to perish but to have life and it is eternal by definition. The Bible records God is more pleased that you turn to him and live! I can proof to you this is true. Many opponents of Christianity attack our doctrine by propagating the reverse. If you read 2 Peter 3:9, it basically debunks the attacks as not true. Is Hell severe? Well Yes. Mark 9:48 tells us; where 'their worm never dies, and the fire is never quenched.' It is a place of suffering, torment and It is severe because the Devil who caused so much evil and pain was meant to be punished severely. It was never meant for you. Then you will ask me, then how come God still send people to Hell? Well the answer is because: You slap away the Grace given to you in Jesus Christ. There is no other way aside from this given to you free of charge. What more do you want, when God is kind enough to make this so easy? You just need to receive this Grace willingly. If you reject this Grace, there is no more other sacrifice. Christ is the one acceptable sacrifice before God because He is without sin. You do this on your own decision and choice. God will not be at fault here. Can't God just give you Salvation just like that? Understand that if God were to give you Salvation just like that, you would be entering into a place foreign to you You will not understand why people live the way they do. You will be at odds because people in there no longer live as how people live in this world. The corruption of Man, matters like jealousy, lying, cheating, back stabbing, being selfish, idolatry of people and things, masturbating, enjoying pornography, sleeping around, having sex with multiple people, eating to survive, self preservation, politics, stepping on others, orgies, gluttony, violence, arrogance, bigotry, proud, racism, racial pride, polygamy, persecuting, etc will cease to exist. These are the very things that corrupted this world and how you wished the world would explode and end because of the many evil. We call this Sin. If you enter in Heaven with the baggage that you have, you risk ruining the New Heaven and Earth and causing it to fall once again and become the irony of your complain against this world. It stands to reason, to enter Heaven, you need to know the one who created it. He is the owner, the King and Ruler of the place. Where God rule, evil cease to exist because God is the one governing. Understand that you have no power to change yourself. Whether you like it or not, you are under bondage to the power of sin. it's impossible. Only God has that kind of power to change your heart to live right. Jesus state a very profound truth, Apart from Him, you can do absolutely nothing.(John 15:5) Sad to say some Christian believe they can do something, quoting, I'll do my best, God will do the rest. No John 15:5 says, You in yourself, can do nothing. Nothing means nothing, don't add to God's word. Hence repentance is also of God's Grace. (I've shared this before, you can do a search in this thread in how to repent) Hence the reason why for John 3:16: For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. This life is the Heaven life which only God can give and only God can enable you to live in. It start by believing in the Son of God who died in your place to give you life. He died punished bearing your sins where it should have been you. It was God's idea to send his son to die for you. So do not think God is evil or God is bad or this or that, whatever your mind can conjure up. God is a good God who did this for you, because He loves you. God Bless. |
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QUOTE(bismikaallahuma @ Aug 24 2017, 11:04 AM) 1) Are you a Christian? Yes or no? Understand what is Baptism.2) Do you truly believe? Yes or no? 3) Have you been baptized? Yes or no? 4) Mark 16:16-18 "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; (a) In my name shall they cast out devils; (b) they shall speak with new tongues; ©They shall take up serpents; and (d) if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; (e) they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover." 5) Once again. Have you (a) been baptized and (b) do you believe? a) If NOT then you WILL NOT BE SAVED BUT DAMNED. b) If a Christian has been baptized and believes then they should exhibit the "signs" mentioned above, such as being able to drink any deadly poison (such as battery acid, etc.) and not be harmed. How about the other signs? Can all believing and baptized Christians lay their hand on any randomly selected terminally ill cancer patient or paraplegic and have him rise completely cured? Does this not require that the Christian world be completely free of all illness, doctors, and hospitals? According to this verse, should not all believing, baptized, Christians be able to do this if they truly believe are to be saved? If a Christian does not exhibit these signs, then does this not prove that they do not believe, and thus will not be saved but damned? 6) Go back to (1). Baptism means to be immersed. metaphorically also, to overwhelm. Read. Acts 2:38 Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Read also in the account of Acts 8 Acts 8:16 because the Holy Spirit had not yet come on any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Romans 6:3-4 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life. Do you see the word "Baptised INTO Christ"? Immersion of water is ceremonial. An immersion in water, performed as a sign of the removal of sin. A sign here means as public declaration something like throwing a wedding dinner, but the marriage is legal by signing and oath taking before the officer and is not legal because of the wedding dinner. One evidence to counter your rebuttal. The dying thief on the cross did no water baptism and yet Christ ushered Him into paradise. Also the signs and miracles bestowed to the believers are not meant to be used as a test or to test God if it's true. You are ignorant of scripture MENJ. Hence why I ignore your "gift". This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Aug 24 2017, 11:33 AM |
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