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post Aug 16 2017, 09:18 AM

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Healing is for now, not in Heaven

Mark 16: 17 - 18 (NIV) - And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.

I want to remove and destroy the idea of cessation doctrine on healing.

Look at the keyword here; it's clearly recorded, those who believe in Jesus name...didn't say only the apostles. By the truth of this scripture verse, Healing is for Today. There are people who propagate Healing will only happen when we go to Heaven.

You don't need healing in Heaven. What need is there in Heaven when it's Heaven?

No dear Friends, Healing is need for now, Here on Earth because we do indeed need it for the well being of our bodies as we are living in a fallen world.
To propagate the idea, Healing is no more, cessation has happened is to say Jesus is not for healing and He did not heal anyone and Mark 16:17-18 is a lie.

We all agree Jesus Christ is the same Yesterday, Today and Tomorrow. If He heals during Bible time, He also heals Today and Now. That would be consistent of God and to proclaim Hebrews 13:8 (NIV) - Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

I pray you will receive this revelation.

God Bless.

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post Aug 16 2017, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(thomasthai @ Aug 16 2017, 09:47 AM)
You know what? The NIV that you are using is so different from the NKJV.

I guess that explains the diffrence in understanding.

Try reading NKJV or other literal translations.
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I have all the translations. What verse were you referring to specifically?
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post Aug 16 2017, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(josephoyh @ Aug 16 2017, 09:37 AM)
Good morning, am new here  innocent.gif
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post Aug 16 2017, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Aug 16 2017, 09:29 AM)
Huhuhu
still.pressing on spreading prosperity gospel
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Well in the Gospel there is Healing and There is prosperity. smile.gif

Don't respond with emotions, discuss on the points.

You want to play this provocation games with me, if I respond likewise, you won't like it, isn't it?

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post Aug 16 2017, 11:02 AM

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Has christianity comes to the point where the mere mention of Healing = Prosperity gospel?

Have we also come to the point where the mere mention of the importance of Faith causes offence when it is vital and crucial to Christian living.

Sometime I wonder the people who criticize against these, ever bother to think they're helping to stifle the advancement of the kingdom of God.

Faith and Healing is part and parcel to the christian Faith, it is NOT heresy.

IT is heresy to ridicule faith and to ridicule the importance of Faith and the importance of healing.


When I ask you, desmond to explain your point, you just cannot and simply link articles of other people which i don't know if you fully comprehend or you just read a few lines and think it's right. Have you bother to read the Bible in it's entire wide to say it's right?

If you do, I would like to hear your side of the explanation. I still remember the proverbs case where you still disregard.

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post Aug 17 2017, 08:58 AM

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QUOTE(Jedi @ Aug 16 2017, 07:34 PM)
I am not very fond of the charismatic movement, but I am not against it either.

I have heard about the real tongue gift and read stories about them, of course, being Catholic I searched the catholic version of tongues.

There are a few examples of saints who spoke in other nation's languages without them knowing, while preaching to them.
There were instances of priests spoke in Bahasa but never had any knowledge of Bahasa, while praying for malaysians in UK and Ireland.

I believed those are real.

However there is also the version where the lead (pastor etc) started shimbala kala shumbi malakala shumbilakala

and everyone besides just started mumbo jumbo the same way.
Any new friends who just joined then started to mumbo jumbo

Was it due to peer pressure?
To feel belonged in the group?
or is it really speaking in tongues?

I never ask. I do not think I am in the position to blasphemy against Holy Spirit.
I am also happy my friends feel closer to God with it than without it.

The gifts are meant for increasing one's faith...be it speak in tongues, prophesy, etc.

I however disagree with some churches pastor who repeatedly ask the congregation to speak in tongues, desire tongues etc rather than increase his or her faith.
would you like me to come to your house for a visit and say "Where is my gift, J?"
wouldnt you respond "IM YOUR GIFT!"
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You and I have the same thought on this because it's the same position that I take.

I don't try to put God, specifically the Holy Spirit into my own worldview of what he can do, be like or sound like. It saddens me that some people actually do that. They try to fit God (whatever it is) into what they think is right.

It may sound weird to some of us but if it's not something evil, We are in no position to call speaking in tongues as evil.

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post Aug 17 2017, 09:19 AM

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Galatians 5:4 (KJV) - Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

What does it mean..whosoever of you are justified by the law? It means you trust in your own strength, your obedience to the Law, your own performance.

Do you realize the people in Jesus days who received his healing were all sinners..and the irony is they could receive! Meaning to say these people realize they have nothing in themselves to justify before God and they relent to just ..want to receive from God without any conditions, without any self justification, and THEY DID!.

Do you realize who in Jesus days could NOT receive Healing? Answer = The Pharisees..Hence Galatians 5:4.
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post Aug 17 2017, 09:53 AM

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2 Chronicles 26:5 (KJV) - And he sought God in the days of Zechariah, who had understanding in the visions of God: and as long as he sought the LORD, God made him to prosper.

King Uzziah Trusted God at a very young age, 16 Years old and God prospered Him. Prosperity is never something a heresy.

It is only when King Uzziah trust in himself out of pride, he suffered.

I find that people who come against the mere mention of God's prosperity are spiritually immature because there is a spirit of religiosity and some bit of legalism that binds them from being free to understand the Majestic Grace of God.
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Debunking Hebrews 11:39

Good Day fellow believers,

Today I would like to highlight a verse that's used to purported even though you have Faith, doesn't necessary means you will receive. And they will quote

Hebrews 11:39-40 (NIV) - These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised,

But hardly understand the next verse.

Hebrews 11:40 (NIV) - since God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect.

We need to understand what is the context of the word promise here. God Promised to Abraham a promised land and that out of him there will be a nation...particularly israel. Israel became at the point of Jacob's name change where He wrestle with God, so there is the one promise left that none of them inherited..the promise Land. That was true in the Old Testament

Verse 40 is a divine mystery as to why Faith is better and complete together with us. Together with us here talks about all of us Christians. For the Israel, their promise is the promised land but for Christians, what God promised us as inheritance are 2 things. 1. is our Salvation. 2. Our brand new body. We already have Salvation, so the one we are still waiting for; is our brand new body.

In fact I can also say it like this. As Christians our promise land = Jesus Christ who is also Our Salvation. When we have Jesus, We have everything. Why? Jesus reconcile us back to Father God. When you have access to God, you have access to his power and resources. Hence also what I mentioned previously on the righteousness of Faith vs Blessing n Curses in subscribing to the Law is inter-related to this.

Father God and our Lord Jesus many time exhort us to believe that He will answer us. Many times in the Bible, you can search it out. Never for once our God tells us, maybe you might receive, maybe you won't. The beginning phrase of Hebrews 1 says it like this:

Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.

This is a statement of assurity, not maybe yes maybe no.

Jesus says BELIEVE and you WILL RECEIVE. This are the eternal unbroken word of God, not mine as recorded in Mark 11:24.

So be very clear that verse 39 of Hebrews 11 talks about the inherited land promise to Israel...which today they HAVE receive. So don't allow anyone to hoodwink you just because they can quote bible verse to put doubt or to scare you off

God Bless.

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post Aug 18 2017, 09:10 AM

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QUOTE(NicoRobinz @ Aug 18 2017, 08:00 AM)
The church members from the church that I attend to on every Saturday do the same.

They pray in foreign language which is alien to me. I did ask about that and they said it's angel language or the language that was used by Jesus during the ancient time.
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It's called speaking in tongues.

1 Corinthians 14:2 (NIV) - For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit.

The key there is: No one understands them. Meaning in context...Only God can understand.

So it's not speaking in other national languages as in book of Acts.
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