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desmond2020
post Jul 5 2017, 12:52 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 5 2017, 11:05 AM)
Bible never specified miracles is for specific who...He's wrong in this. He's trying put circumstance as the truth over the Bible when He should put up Bible truth first over circumstance. Just because there are genuines Christians who never got healed does not mean God was not willing. The Problem is the unrealistic expectation that the person MUST be healed immediately...I think that is the problem for concluding as such.

If Jesus did say my miracle is not for Mr. Steven......then I would agree MacArthur will have his point but Bible never say such thing.
Quote me which verse in the Bible that support his statement

"Does God promise miracles for everybody? No, He never has" ...................I will surrender to you.  notworthy.gif

I dare challenge his statement by saying this.
Anyone who came to Jesus was all Healed, so who says God promise of miracles is not for everybody? How does He qualify that statement? The HUGE irony is that MacArthur puts the clause, the reason people didn't receive is because they didn't believe strong enough when the very fact his teaching is the one who caused it to be nullified.

He should encourage believers to continue believing and praying...That is biblical rather than shut off the Faith.

How will he answer  Persistent Widow in Luke 18?

Luke 18:7-8(NIV) -  And will not God bring about justice for his chosen ones, who cry out to him day and night? Will he keep putting them off? 8I tell you, He will promptly carry out justice on their behalf. Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on earth?”…
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The claim that Jesus heal everyone that come to him


well I read the gospel, four of them, a few time to check. But sadly I can't agree to statement


I do believe God heal. Always he is healer


But not through a human agency unless God need to authenticate such person for revelation.


Remember faith is direct between God and us via Jesus as the high priest. So should be healing


God has plan. Plan that mere mortals won't understand. Heal he will but only according to his plan


Remember what Jesus pray the night before he was crucified
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post Jul 5 2017, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Jul 5 2017, 12:52 PM)
The claim that Jesus heal everyone that come to him
well I read the gospel, four of them, a few time to check. But sadly I can't agree to statement
I do believe God heal. Always he is healer
But not through a human agency unless God need to authenticate such person for revelation.
Remember faith is direct between God and us via Jesus as the high priest. So should be healing
God has plan. Plan that mere mortals won't understand. Heal he will but only according to his plan
Remember what Jesus pray the night before he was crucified
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Don't angry with me but I believe this is what stops you from receiving, you can't agree means you don't believe God's miracle is for anyone who approach Him.

I did ask you, what is so special about me? you mean God heals me because that is according to his will?

Well what did I do to be in his will? I'll tell you nothing. I wasn't really a shining exemplary Christian obeying everything God commanded.

All I did was to be convinced God is more than willing to Heal as according to how Jesus healed to all that came to Him.

My faith was small...small as mustard seed but I believe as how the Bible asked me.

That is all.
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post Jul 5 2017, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Jul 5 2017, 10:47 AM)
Can Christianity accept (as in not condemn) a supernatural creature that is not God and not necessarily in league with God but is nevertheless benevolent and helpful towards mankind?
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In Christianity, it is recorded God is sovereign in the sense, there are no other gods. This was proclaimed by God himself.

You will not be happy with our answer.

Because we do not believe in supernatural deity as you call demi-gods, etc. We believe these are all the works of the Evil One (Satan Spiritual Forces) with the sole purpose to deceive Mankind that the Christian God is not the truth and not the only one, even though their purpose is to be benevolent and helpful to mankind.

Sorry if this upsets you.

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post Jul 5 2017, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 5 2017, 12:57 PM)
Don't angry with me but I believe this is what stops you from receiving, you can't agree means you don't believe God's miracle is for anyone who approach Him.

I did ask you, what is so special about me? you mean God heals me because that is according to his will?

Well what did I do to be in his will? I'll tell you nothing. I wasn't really a shining exemplary Christian obeying everything God commanded.

All I did was to be convinced God is more than willing to Heal as according to how Jesus healed to all that came to Him.

My faith was small...small as mustard seed but I believe as how the Bible asked me.

That is all.
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No my friend


God heal not only christian, but every human beings if he so wish. Like sunlight and rain that fall on believer and non believer. For he is full of mercy. But God has plan for everything. Suffering such as disease is just part of it
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post Jul 5 2017, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Jul 5 2017, 01:03 PM)
No my friend
God heal not only christian, but every human beings if he so wish. Like sunlight and rain that fall on believer and non believer.  For he is full of mercy. But God has plan for everything. Suffering such as disease is just part of it
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Well I believe He wishes so, that is recorded in the Bible.

I don't subscribe to the doctrine where suffering such as terminal health condition such as cancer is part of God's will. Not under the New Covenant anyway.

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post Jul 5 2017, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 5 2017, 01:02 PM)
In Christianity, it is recorded God is sovereign in the sense, there are no other gods. This was proclaimed by God himself.

You will not be happy with our answer.

Because we do not believe in supernatural deity as you call demi-gods, etc. We believe these are all the works of the Evil One (Satan Spiritual Forces) with the sole purpose to deceive Mankind that the Christian God is not the truth and not the only one, even though their purpose is to be benevolent and helpful to mankind.

Sorry if this upsets you.
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Shhhh.

Nobody's necessarily talking about gods or deities.

I merely state 'supernatural beings'.

And nobody's upset or unhappy, either. tongue.gif

When I mention 'a supernatural creature that is not God and not necessarily in league with God but is nevertheless benevolent and helpful towards mankind', do your angels not fit this criteria?

You know - Raphael, Gabriel, Michael and so on?

Do you not accept and revere them?
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post Jul 5 2017, 01:32 PM

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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Jul 5 2017, 01:24 PM)
Shhhh.

Nobody's necessarily talking about gods or deities.

I merely state 'supernatural beings'.

And nobody's upset or unhappy, either.  tongue.gif

When I mention 'a supernatural creature that is not God and not necessarily in league with God but is nevertheless benevolent and helpful towards mankind', do your angels not fit this criteria?

You know - Raphael, Gabriel, Michael and so on?

Do you not accept and revere them?
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All the same whatever supernatural beings.

I accept they are God's servant as we are.

But to revere them in as in respect yes, but to revere as in to pray or worship....even Angels tells us not to.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 5 2017, 01:32 PM)
All the same whatever supernatural beings.

I accept they are God's servant as we are.

But to revere them in as in respect yes, but to revere as in to pray or worship....even Angels tells us not to.
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The bolded portion is new to me.

I had previously been under the impression that petitioning the angels for assistance or mentioning them in prayers was not prohibited; could have sworn that I heard at least one Christian acquaintance mention Archangel Michael in his prayers.

Does asking an angel for help necessarily mean that you are violating the rule of worshipping none but God, though?
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post Jul 5 2017, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Jul 5 2017, 02:03 PM)
The bolded portion is new to me.

I had previously been under the impression that petitioning the angels for assistance or mentioning them in prayers was not prohibited; could have sworn that I heard at least one Christian acquaintance mention Archangel Michael in his prayers.

Does asking an angel for help necessarily mean that you are violating the rule of worshipping none but God, though?
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Sorry I need to correct that, Bible never says , You shall not pray to angels. Only the Do not worship is recorded in Revelation 22:9.


Just that no where do I find a verse that tells me I can pray to the Angels but mostly prayer are pointed to either Jesus, God the father or the Holy Spirit.

Catholics may have a differing view on this though...you can ask them in their thread.

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post Jul 5 2017, 02:52 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 5 2017, 02:30 PM)
Sorry I need to correct that, Bible never says , You shall not pray to angels. Only the Do not worship is recorded in Revelation 22:9.
Just that no where do I find a verse that tells me I can pray to the Angels but mostly prayer are  pointed to either Jesus, God the father or the Holy Spirit.

Catholics may have a differing view on this though...you can ask them in their thread.
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The devil is in the details. devil.gif
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post Jul 5 2017, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Jul 5 2017, 02:52 PM)
You know what they say.

The devil is in the details.  devil.gif
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From Christian understanding when we pray to God, God will instruct His angels to carry out whatever God commanded them to do. This is quite consistent throughout the Bible.

Hence, I don't understand the need to pray to Angels when you can have access directly to God for prayer.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 5 2017, 03:00 PM)
From Christian understanding when we pray to God, God will instruct His angels to carry out whatever God commanded them to do. This is quite consistent throughout the Bible.

Hence, I don't understand the need to pray to Angels when you can have access directly to God for prayer.
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So it's not okay to talk to or interact with the messengers/intermediaries?
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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Jul 5 2017, 04:08 PM)
So it's not okay to talk to or interact with the messengers/intermediaries?
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Never really bother if it's okay or not okay as there's no need to.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 5 2017, 04:30 PM)
Never really bother if it's okay or not okay as there's no need to.
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At least you acknowledge their existence, I guess.

Which sort of answers my original question regarding beneficial supernatural beings. rclxms.gif
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A good angel won't demand worship for themselves anyway. They always point back to their Lord.
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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Jul 5 2017, 04:44 PM)
At least you acknowledge their existence, I guess.

Which sort of answers my original question regarding beneficial supernatural beings.  rclxms.gif
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??? For me personally as Christian, I've always acknowledge God's angel existence, never doubted them.


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Hello brothers and sisters in Christ, unlurking myself after a long while because I badly need prayers.

To cut the long story short, recently God has revealed to me the sin of pride in my heart. Looking back to my past and my relationships with family, friends, colleagues... God told me very plainly that if I am still unable to change my ways no matter how much I'd prayed, the one thing that's stopping me, is my pride.

Because of pride, I had indulged in self-pity, not wanting to change my sinful ways, and after that feeling shame in my heart, and the cycle goes on. Almost destroying me from inside out.

Please pray for me, as pride is so ingrained in me that I know I could never get rid of it on my own. Yet I refused to believe that it will be part of me forever. With men it is impossible, but with God all things are possible.

Cheers.
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QUOTE(Asenav @ Jul 5 2017, 10:03 PM)
Hello brothers and sisters in Christ, unlurking myself after a long while because I badly need prayers.

To cut the long story short, recently God has revealed to me the sin of pride in my heart. Looking back to my past and my relationships with family, friends, colleagues... God told me very plainly that if I am still unable to change my ways no matter how much I'd prayed, the one thing that's stopping me, is my pride.

Because of pride, I had indulged in self-pity, not wanting to change my sinful ways, and after that feeling shame in my heart, and the cycle goes on. Almost destroying me from inside out.

Please pray for me, as pride is so ingrained in me that I know I could never get rid of it on my own. Yet I refused to believe that it will be part of me forever. With men it is impossible, but with God all things are possible.

Cheers.
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Hi Asenav,

The way out of sin's behaviour will only work through what Christ did. May I give a truth perspective of what Christ did for you at the cross, I take that you're a Christian and have said the sinner's prayer.

If you have accepted Christ as your Saviour then you need to hold Christ as your Saviour, you also must hold the position, admitting cannot save yourself by your effort or performance. If you have accepted Christ's sacrifice at the cross, then you need to hold the position of No Condemnation, meaning, don't condemn yourself. (Romans 8:1) Hold that position by Faith, that you've been made righteous apart from your work/performance. Righteous state is given to you as a Gift of God's Grace, you don't get it by abstaining from exhibiting pride.

Why is this important? Because it will change your Life System..in a way the Holy Spirit can come in and help you to remove Pride. Until you hold the position of No Condemnation and that you've been made righteous by your Faith, the Holy Spirit cannot work in your life to remove that nature of the flesh.

This may not be immediate, you may go through a period of struggling but you need to confess and hold that position that you are cleaned (through Christ), that you are a Saint, you are righteous in Christ every single day. This is our Christian fight on daily basis.

That is why .....this entails living by Faith...because it takes Faith to believe in all of these. We are too prone to believe that our righteousness has a lot to do with what we do (example..you trying to stop your pride).

I hope you understand. If you need more detail explanation...I will oblige.

God Bless.






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post Jul 6 2017, 10:32 AM

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Jesus will come down to the level of your Faith.


Matthew 9:21 (NIV) - She said to herself, "If I only touch his cloak, I will be healed."

There are many voices out there who portray God as being hard to please, that God will not hear us because we have not been doing this or we are that.

The Bible however portray otherwise. God has given me this ministry to show Him in the right light and the reason why I'm still here today is because The Lord has been gracious and supportive according to his great Faithfulness. I just want to say God is nothing like how some people paint Him to be..Mean or being distance God. God is a Good God who is very very close, Like a Father to his own child. That is a very accurate truth of our God.

I want to bring you this Bible incident where there was woman who was suffering bleeding for 12 years. Can you imagine such a predicament, how the person will be like? This lady reasoned with herself...if only she can touch the edge of Jesus cloak, she will be healed. You must understand she isn't suppose to be there, according to God's Law, She is unclean and shouldn't be in public places. But this lady was desperately seeking for a cure which she must have been hearing this fame Christ can give. However she did this and only wanted the healing, she didn't really care for the Healer, hence she crept up to Him from behind. We have lepers who came to Jesus in the front to ask for healing.

When she did touched Jesus's garment, our God stop among the throng of crowd. And turn to her. For a brief moment, the Face of God met with this lady, it's as if time stop for this beautiful moment, face to face and the Lord told her..."“Take courage, daughter,” He said, “your faith has healed you.”

Our Lord Jesus did not respond "Do you really think a piece of cloth, my garment has healed you and not me as the Healer, and because you did not respect to ask me but you crept secretly, because of this I will not heal you". Our Lord responded to her..because she believe the cloth can healed her, God came down to her level of Faith and responded!

This is my Lord Jesus Christ. smile.gif

God will come to you and your level of Faith...."According to your Faith, be it unto you".

So If you felt more comfortable in medicine and doctors, God can use medicine and doctors to heal you. And I hope as you get to know more about Jesus Christ, your Faith will increase as the days goes by.

God Bless.

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post Jul 7 2017, 08:42 AM

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Pray Everyday

Philippians 4:6 (NIV) - Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God.

Morning Friends.

We got to pray everyday because

1. Nature of our flesh
2. We an enemy who seeks to destroy us everyday


We need the Holy Spirit to keep the nature of our flesh in check. What I do is...only daily basis ask the HS to remove the desires of the flesh like hating your enemies, lust to pornography, bitterness and to help me to love my enemies and to be considerate of others. I normally pray asking the HS to fill me with his divine power and to help me walk in the spirit.

We need to pray to God for protection everyday because our spiritual enemies does not rest to take every opportunity to destroy us.

I don't know about you but I see no reason not to pray because of these 2 factors it is vital and crucial to see that we need God everyday.

the Bible says in Philippians 4:6 we need to pray in EVERY situation. We have situations in our life as Christians. The 2 above qualify.

Hope this spurs you to pray on daily basis. Seek Jesus everyday. God loves for you to come to Him in prayer. God loves for you to be in his presence everyday, He will not reject you.

Jesus loves you guys.

God Bless.



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