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post Jul 15 2017, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Jul 15 2017, 09:34 PM)
You're not in RWI. This is Serious Kopitiam. RWI is not the same as Serious Kopitiam

RWI has their own board over here: https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showforum=74
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Just ignore him, I've reported him to the mods for trying to stir up provocation.

I think there mental nut people in this forum. Some people just cannot be normal and be courteous, just have to act like a psychopath in trying to to provoke people "must" argue otherwise the world will end.

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post Jul 18 2017, 08:53 AM

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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Jul 17 2017, 06:56 PM)
I'm having trouble reconciliating two things. How is it possible that God wants us to live an abundant life, but the Christian path is not meant to be a happy one?

Many Christians believe that life is all suffering as a side effect of going against the world. Is life on Earth unhappy by default? Or a happy life is a sign of getting too comfortable?
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Christian life is meant to be a joyful one even though persecuted. And Yes to live an abundant life is backup by the Lord.

People (generally) unhappy in this world because they're in bondage to the god of this world so you need to know the difference, who is the one who is enforcing the unhappiness.

Sometimes the problem lies with the people themselves thinking God wants them to have an unhappy life but if you study the bible in detail, everywhere and everytime God tells you to be joyful and always wants to blesses you in your predicament. This is true even in the beatitude as thomas mentioned.


When the bible make mention to put on sadness it's usually in the context towards people who have no heart for God. The reason being, they need to be humbled to look away from self.
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post Jul 19 2017, 09:08 AM

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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Jul 19 2017, 03:04 AM)
ohmy.gif  I learned something new today!

Hmm... the beatitudes are the following....

Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are they who mourn, for they will be comforted.
Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the land.
Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be satisfied.
Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy.
Blessed are the clean of heart, for they will see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God.
Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

I'm finding it rather hard to imagine it in real life. Do you guys know of personal antecodes of this happening in practice? Maybe it's because most of the time I hear secular or athiestic worldviews. It's very hard to find a Christian example without it lamblasted as fantasy.
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I want to explain 1 example. No not an anecdote. Just an insight (revelation).

Blessed are the poor in spirit are not just referring to financially poor people.

This poor can also mean one who is destitute and in desperate need of God. Truth is, those who are without God are poor in every sense.

However the focus is not on being poor...this is where some people missed it. If you read carefully, see where God wants this poor person to be in.

The focus is here is being blessed and the kingdom of heaven is theirs.

As I've said God always want the person to be in state of being joyful and blessed.

Problem is...people always see the negative words but lack the desire to see the revelation of where God wants them to be. Hence some will coin their own conclusion and form what they think is from God, by saying "Oh God wants me to be poor" "Oh it's better to be poor"..I can quote some of the verse they think supports what they say and I can debunk the error if anyone shows this to me.

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post Jul 20 2017, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Jul 19 2017, 08:10 PM)
I memang salute Paul. His life so hard, but he's so grateful with his missions and so on.

It sometimes get hard for me when I'm surrounded by non-Jesus philosophies. Makes me wonder 'what if I'm the one who's wrong?'
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Hence why it's important for you to experience God in your life. When you have too many "coincidences" of God answering your specific prayers, that is how you know.

God has many times expressed himself in the Bible, As the true Living God, this expression isn't just for us to read it and feel nice...it is for reality experience for the purpose of letting us know, He is real.

Hence why I'm against any doctrine purported to disarm God's miracle as something elusive.



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post Jul 21 2017, 09:43 AM

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Always Live and Pray in the sense of the Father's Love

Good Day friends,

I used to feel that whenever I pray to God, I imagined God on his throne looking down to where I am but in a neutral or impartial manner. It's hard to imagine how God sees us when we can't see him. Many times we judge the outlook of God based on what we see...the silent 4 corners of our room seem to depict God louder than anything.

The Lord impressed on me to tell you this, See God as how Jesus revealed Him in the story of the prodigal Son.

When God took the first step of running, couldn't wait to run to his lost son...when his son was on his way home. That is how God is when we come to Him in prayer, you think you're the one coming to Him in prayer but truth is God is looking forward,couldn't wait for you to come...He Loves to have our time, He loves for us to come to Him in prayer. And that is Bible truth. Never make circumstance to overshadow the truth of who God is, like the silence of the 4 corners of your room. And when you pray, remember He love you. Don't try to imagine this in theory but actualize this in believing.

Pray with the sense God loves you, don't pray trying to beg God as if God needs to be convinced as if He is folding his arm. That is not praying in Faith and That is not praying in the Father's Love.
Praying in the sense of the Father's Love is praying according to the truth of this word, very aptly..this verse.

Romans 8:32 (NIV) - He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things?

Hold on to this truth, ignore the sayings of people. Look to the word of God as Truth and believe. Don't be discourage if God says No, trust a No from God is for your good and God may have something better in mind for you. But pray in Faith believing God will!

I pray you will experience God manifesting his reality in your life.

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post Jul 21 2017, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(Prinny @ Jul 21 2017, 10:45 AM)
no rules about eating? what bout Leviticus 11? and Deuteronomy 12:23 speaks about not eating blood?
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If you're a Jew and if you're living under the old covenant, those were the rules to follow if you want to avoid being unclean.

As Christians, the way we get cleaned is by accepting what Christ did at the cross by faith, plus Jesus did mentioned what goes into our mouth (food) does not make us unclean anymore.

Hence there are no rules that bound a Christian regarding food.

With that being said, of course we don't partake things like blood, but food like pork is okay.

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post Jul 23 2017, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Jul 22 2017, 05:18 PM)
Everyone in the thread: are spoken prayers always more powerful than silent ones? Someone once taught me that prayers won't be as effective if not spoken. Because, the logic of breath.

The Holy Spirit is the breath of God. So so best effect we follow His ways and pronounce breath too.
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Spoken words increases our Faith according to our Savior...so you think leh? biggrin.gif

I would think it does help to speak out.

Does God answer both, Yes. But why spoken is better?

Jesus said "speak" to the mountain, never said...mutter in silence against the mountain. It's interesting just before that his disciple asked Him How to increase their Faith before He told them to speak....

Think about it.

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post Jul 23 2017, 09:28 PM

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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Jul 23 2017, 04:54 PM)
I personally don't agree. Jesus also said that when you pray, do it behind closed doors.

If we say there's more value to spoken prayer, we're putting faith in the method of prayer instead of the One behind it. Kinda like magic words de.
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The close doors are in the context, God wants sincere prayers to Him not showy prayer for others to see or heard to be impressed. Sincere prayer means honest prayer where many times it's just simple prayers, prayers that may not sound churchy or full of church lingo, at time it may sound silly or prayers that is un-eloquent. As long as your prayers are sincere, it's a prayer...even a groan is a prayer.

Close door doesn't mean we must pray behind close doors all the time else what about your Friday/Wed Prayer meet in Church? I mean everyone there is expected to pray, you don't suddenly go in a private room to pray alone and what about time of emergency, time of sudden distress where there are no private room to pray?

But the principal of increasing one Faith has to do with spoken words and Jesus tells us to "say it out" or voice it out against our mountain. It's in Luke 17:5-6 and Matthew 17:20.

And Yes you're right What make things happen is the one who is behind our prayers, God where our Faith hooks on but still "spoken words" is what Jesus said about vocalizing it out is in those verses., It's the principal of God's kingdom.

Luke 17:5-6 (NIV) - 5 The apostles said to the Lord, “Increase our faith!” 6 And the Lord said, “If you had faith like a mustard seed, you would say to this mulberry tree, ‘Be uprooted and be planted in the sea’; and it would obey you.

Matthew 17:20 (NIV) - He replied, "Because you have so little faith. Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you."

The word say in the Greek is "ereó" which means (denoting speech in progress), (a) I say, speak; I mean, mention, tell, (b) I call, name, especially in the pass., © I tell, command.

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post Jul 23 2017, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(Sophia Logica @ Jul 23 2017, 02:06 PM)
Hi. Am a Christian for since I'm 10 (32 now), and you can say I'm kinda...wavering in my faith. Used to be strong in faith, but nowadays...not so much. Tried praying and all, but seems like it doesn't mean anything.

Advice?
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Hi, I haven't got to know you so...I'm might be presuming somethings.

I think it's more than prayer, it has to do with life itself.

Well, there's basically 2 opposing forces of 2 different world/kingdom that's competing for your Life. It all depends on where you put your heart in. If you spend your life chasing after the things of this world, you need to know, this world is designed to hinder the interest of God and to make God elusive in many ways.

It's the powers behind that system that's causing this.

You can pray a simple prayer for God to help you see this and to help you understand God...it may sound like an ironic prayer but God does answer such prayers.
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QUOTE(Sophia Logica @ Jul 24 2017, 03:28 AM)
Thanks but...I don't know whether it'll work, I mean, I asked for signs, and I prayed many, many times, only to feel I'm drifting further apart. I'm not even sure if God is deliberately doing this to punish me, or if He wants me to be patient, or whether I wasn't praying correctly, or whether if, anything. I mean I needed only 1 sign, but I'm not even sure if they are signs or not. I don't understand God just wouldn't talk straight to me...it's just, I dunno, it hurts when you want someone to respond, but you can't hear them at all no matter how much you want to.
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Perhaps you have a wrong view/understanding of God that's hindering your prayer...I call it wrong belief system or in Bible lingo, wrong sort of faith.

First you need to establish, God is not out to punish you. There are many verses that speaks of this. One such example.

2 Corinthians 5:18-19 (NIV) - All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.

See the word there "not counting"? That is an accounting word in definition in the greek. (NT was recorded in Greek) So you need to get erroneous understanding out of your system.

Second we need to understand, we cannot force our view/expectation what we think about God, that God must react in the way of our view/expectation. I give you 1 example, there are Christians who tell me today God no longer work healing because the way people heal is not the same as in the Bible, they will quote in the Bible everyone was healed instantly so they expect the same to happen today.....the argument is that today's healing are slow...they take time, so it's natural body healing and it's not from God some may go as far as to say it's from from the devil if someone says God still heals today.

I can easily debunk that sort of reasoning, during the Bible time, majority of the noted Man/Woman of God could easily hear the audible voice of God, so if today we don't hear the same "audible" voice of God, like Moses did,, like Elijah did, like Jonah did, like Paul and all the disciples did then how? then does it mean the Christian life is no longer valid, God ceased to exist or no longer speaks today? Do you see how flawed our own reasoning can be?

Third, God has instituted Faith as the core style of the Christian Life. Without Faith it's impossible to please God. Is Faith meant to be used only once or twice when we need God? No, Faith is to be used daily, the rest of our Christian Life until we die. If we give up on faith along the way, we have not complete what God require of us as Christians. You have seen the notable great Man of Women of God, how God move mightily in their life. How God responded to them so consistently. Do you think they had it easy? No, they went through the same training which I believe you need to go through. Without Faith, our Christian life is incomplete.

I've always propagated robust faith, stubborn faith or aggressive Faith if you will, because I believe some of you needed it to understand and see God move.

To further elaborate, God the father reside in the 3rd Heaven (highest Heaven) and Lord Jesus Christ has risen and was taken up, now resides in the same place as Father God in Heaven. God has given us his 3rd trinity part...the Holy Spirit to be with us here on Earth. This is how God communicates with us, through his Holy Spirit, through his word in the Bible. And God has made it in such a way because He instituted Faith as the core living of the Christian Life. If God were to openly speaks, then Faith is no longer required and that would contradict what He has instituted for everyone.

And why Faith? So that everyone has equal opportunity to know God, everyone will have equal ground because anyone from the disabled to the rich can learn to believe. If God were to instituted strict adherence to his laws so that only those who successfully adhere then He will only speak, then not everyone can do that. It would not be fair of God, would it?

And about signs. When you asked in Faith for God to show you a sign, it may be within a short time or a long time. Whichever it is, you can see the same signal being given to you from various people, from your environment..whatever it is, you will know in your spirit..that there is a peace and you're not troubled in seeing the same thing being spoken through different vessel (people or environment, things). If you have unrest and no peace about it, then that is not a sign from God. It could also be a "NO" as your answer because God may have something else in mind for you.



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post Jul 27 2017, 09:17 AM

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Work it out!

Philippians 2:12 (NIV) - Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed--not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling,

There's a question that some may asked, why do we need to work out our salvation with fear and trembling? Does it mean we don't know if we are actually saved therefore we need work for our salvation and because we are not save, we need to be in fear and quake in trembling? I will address this from Bible perspective.

Philippians 2:12in the NIV started with a "therefore" so it means I have to read the preceding verse before this, to understand and apparently Philippians 2:1 also started with a therefore, so it means I have to backtrack to Philippians 1 and read it before I can understand Philippians 2. In Philippians 1 Apostle Paul was talking about his struggle between staying here on earth or to be with our Lord Jesus Christ. This give us insight of Paul choosing getting ready to die. Some people purported that to be a Christian is so serious, we need to be serious with everyone, exhibiting hardcore trait because we need to be ready to be martyred. Truth is Paul choosed, it was his willing choice not enforce by, in fact He mention it is "far better to be with Christ" and yet Paul understood love. If you meet such ignorant Christians exhibiting a preacher of doom trait, always fighting and being bitter with others, ignore such people, they are ignorant of the gospel giving a bad testimony to Christ. However the point is, Paul write in a way affirming He was already saved. Nobody would be willing to die if he is not convinced of the person he is to die for. Look at verse 28 of Philippians 1...the phrase "..that you will be saved—and that by God"

Now In Philippians 1, Paul was exhorting us, to conduct ourselves in a manner worthy of the gospel of Christ, meaning watch your character and conduct. In Philippians 2, Paul started off by saying... if you have anything encouraging from being united with Christ, meaning knowing that you are already saved (hence "being united") therefore think like how Christ think and being one in spirit and of one mind with another brethren.

In Simple words, since you are already saved, start acting like one! And we come to the main verse of our devotion today, work out your salvation with fear or trembling. It is to start having a goal and the to be convinced, because you are saved, be how God wants you to be...humble, consider others better than yourself, do nothing out of selfish vanity, etc. Work out the life of how one who is saved (hence the meaning work out your salvation) and do it with fear and trembling, meaning do it with reverent fear of God and with joy of trembling not horror of trembling. Where do we get this meaning? Never interpret the meaning of the word of the bible on your own, always let the Bible define it's meaning. Bible interpret Bible. If you look at Psalm 2:11, this is the most accurate to help understand why Paul always uses the phrase "with fear and trembling" in his letters.

The words and the context used in the Bible always assures us of our Salvation, never the opposite. If you look at verse 13 of Philippians 2, it says:

for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.. How can you not be saved and yet God works in you..remember the context here is "IN YOU" meaning referring to the work of the Holy Spirit which again I must re-iterate how can you not be saved and yet have the Holy Spirit?

In Summary, the Bible is saying Work out your salvation because you are saved, not work out your salvation in order to be saved as you've seen in context of what was explained.

Will you not be assured that you are indeed Saved by the Grace of God?

God Bless


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post Jul 31 2017, 09:13 AM

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"Jabez cried out to the God of Israel, “Oh, that you would bless me
and enlarge my territory! Let your hand be with me, and keep me from
harm so that I will be free from pain.” And God granted his request."
1 Chronicles 4:10 (NIV)

This prayer definitely debunks a lot of theology teaching out there.
Best of all God granted that prayer. Some Christians just don't like it that we have a God who loves to prosper his children.

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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Jul 31 2017, 03:06 PM)
I thought they would argue that it's in the past era?
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For me past or present is not the point.

What's important is that God hates sin and doesn't condone something that is wrong.
Yet God answered that prayer. If something that is deemed wrong in the past, would have been wrong in the present imo.

Jabez prayed a prayer many would deemed as something selfish.

"God Bless me and enlarge the boundary of my possession." That is like asking God to prosper the person and also to spare the person for "pain" of life.

I think some people would flip at this sort of prayer and yet that was what it was.

I'm want to destroy the argument that praying for prosperity is wrong.

before someone else mouth start to foam...this is not asking God for millions of dollars. laugh.gif
*I'm just going to stop here and see reactions from far.

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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Aug 1 2017, 05:00 PM)
I guess folks are busy.

How does prophecy work? I had one saying that I'll be a teacher. Back then i believed it because i was a teacher in training but now... Not a teacher anymore.

What does it mean to be a teaher too? Is it going to be something i never expect or? I mean, nobody expected Jesus' story to turn out like it did.

I just had a dream that i was tutoring kids. Sakit hati when i woke up and it turns out to be all a dream.
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Was it, that somebody just said it, instead of being prophesied by someone telling you it's from God?
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Romans 8:26 (NLT) - And the Holy Spirit helps us in our weakness. For example, we don't know what God wants us to pray for. But the Holy Spirit prays for us with groanings that cannot be expressed in words.

It's interesting the word Help in the Greek = sunantilambanomai which means: lend a hand along with, take interest in (a thing) along with (others), assist jointly to perform some task, cooperate with, take my share in, help, aid.

Word study defines it like this: to give assistance with full initiative

How is it the Holy Spirit helps us to pray with full initiative and with groans that's too deep for word? Remember the point here is that the H.S is the one taking the full initiative leading us in prayer with groans that cannot be expressed. And the expression is through our vocalising..that is what it means assist jointly or lend a hand along with.

Let's assume for a moment praying in tongues is not what is meant here...how does this happen for the believer? If anyone were to see the believer praying in such spirit would be shocked to think he's mental isn't it?

Think about it. Let me know your thoughts you Anti-Speaking in tongue denomination. What does this verse means?

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QUOTE(wondernoob @ Aug 2 2017, 02:42 PM)
Hello! Just dropping by, used to lurk sometime back spending lots of time reading the squabbles.  May or may not lurk again depending on how active I am on LYN ;D Happy fellowship-ing and GBU all.
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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Aug 2 2017, 05:08 PM)
???

I don't understand what mean. If it's just an opinion? Nah. It's supposed to be from God.
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Well if you believe it's from God then hold on to it. icon_rolleyes.gif

It can come true in the future even if you don't feel like it may.

We can't predict the future.
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God is no longer angry at you.

Hebrews 10:17 (KJV) - And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

It's great isn't it? To hear that God does not remember our sins and iniquity anymore? If God does remember your sins, then God would contradict Himself in Hebrews 10:17. Some people argue that Hebrews 10:17 is only for the fulfillment of Israel people, quoting Jeremiah 31. However Hebrews 10 which quotes Jeremiah 31 talks about Christ's Sacrifice which is available to all, not just the israelites. Interestingly the Holy Spirit does not mention the Israelites here. Reason being it is made available to all people who are willing to believe in Christ.

So if you have accepted Christ, learn to rest easy and breath easy.

Hebrews 10 talks about the perfect sacrifice of Christ that does 2 things.

1. Removed our sins forever.
2. Made us Holy forever.

If forever is true then God does not remember our sins anymore and is not angry anymore is true. Because you cannot have the words (underlined) as true if indeed God still remember our sins.

Hebrews 10:10 (NIV) - And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all

Hebrews 10:14 (NIV) - For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy..

If our Salvation and righteousness is temporal and depends on our obedience then the word "forever" and "once for all" as above cannot be true.

I pray you will receive this revelation by the Holy Spirit.

God Bless.


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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Aug 3 2017, 05:01 PM)
Hey folks I need some help building an objection about Optimistic Nihilism



I already asked Reddit last week about their thoughts

https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comme...be_should_have/

The talk about it being dishonest is interesting.

The reason I'm asking is for writing reasons. Got to collect as many angles as possible so I can write better for the debate between characters.

Can tolong? biggrin.gif
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The word phrase is a contradiction in itself. When the root itself is flawed, whatever further explanation is meaningless because the base does not make sense.

For example, nihilism means the rejection of all religious and moral principles, often in the belief that life is meaningless. When the definition of nihilism equates life = meaningless and yet tries to put in the word "Optimistic" is like trying to call a square a circle or trying to define hope = hopelessness.

For me I wouldn't bother to pursue trying to debunk something like that.

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