Luke reveals Christ as a perfect man, a man-Savior. So the genealogy is traced to show the generations of this man, to attest that He is qualified to be the Savior of mankind.

Matthew shows Christ is the true King by showing us the antecedents and status of this King, to prove that He is the proper successor to the throne of David.



Mark shows Christ as a slave Savior serving God and us; A slave require no genealogies, nothing worth mentioning.

John shows Christ is the pre-existing Word of God. He is God. No human genealogies.

This post has been edited by pehkay: Dec 31 2017, 11:19 AM

Happy New Year 2018, fellow Christians and friends.

Few songs to usher us into the new year 2018, Please enjoy the songs











This post has been edited by De_Luffy: Dec 31 2017, 10:54 PM

Happy new year!

Was helping to remove lalang in one of my relative house....the place has idols.....funny thing is; the ordeal was so tiring, it caused me to be extremely exhausted to the point I had to pray for God to give me strength.

I felt warm sensation upon my prayer....

Gain back strength even upon prayer....




This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jan 1 2018, 08:33 PM

I was scrolling through the YouTube earlier listening to some Gospel songs and then a song stick among the list of recommended song lists

BE STILL AND KNOW I'M GOD, but that's is not the song that I'm feeling that was intended for me to listen then another similar song title stood out in my mind

BE STILL FOR THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD a very special hymn that's is very easy going and at the same time it send us a strong message to stand still for the presence of the Lord whenever or wherever we are

BE STILL


This post has been edited by De_Luffy: Jan 2 2018, 03:05 PM

Interesting article.....take it with pinch of salt though.......

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The initial steps towards the scientific study of the Shroud of Turin and the blood of Jesus imbedded in the relic were taken soon after the first set of black and white photographs became available early in the 20th century. In 1902 Yves Delage, a French professor of comparative anatomy, published the first study on the subject. Delage declared the image anatomically flawless and argued that the features of rigor mortis, wounds, and blood flows were evidence that the image was formed by direct or indirect contact with a corpse. William Meacham mentions several other medical studies between 1936 and 1981 that agree with Delage. However, these were all indirect studies without access to the shroud itself. The first direct examination of the shroud by a scientific team was undertaken in 1969–1973 in order to advise on preservation of the shroud and determine specific testing methods. This led to the appointment of an 11-member Turin Commission to advise on the preservation of the relic and on specific testing. Five of the commission members were scientists, and preliminary studies of samples of the fabric were conducted in 1973.

The Veil of Veronica is enclosed in an elaborate outer frame with a gilded metal sheet within, in which is cut an aperture where the face appears; at the lower extreme of the face there are three ancient bloodstains which correspond to the shape of the hair and beard. Very few inspections of the Veil of Veronica are recorded in modern times and there are no detailed photographs. The most detailed recorded inspection of the 20th century occurred in 1907 when Jesuit art historian Joseph Wilpert was allowed to remove two plates of glass to inspect the image. He commented that he saw only "a square piece of light coloured material, somewhat faded through age, which bear two faint rust-brown stains, connected one to the other".

Ron Wyatt discovered the Ark of the Covenant, and, as a totally unexpected second discovery, to his astonishment found the blood of Christ on its Mercy Seat. A DNA analysis proved the miraculous nature of the blood. Ron Wyatt's discovery should have made international front page news, but was largely blacked out by the corporate news media. It was quietly but excitedly reported on by the Christian news networks. When scientist Richard Rives tested the dried, two-thousand-year-old "dead" blood, he was able to analyze its chromosomes—which is only possible with living blood. Upon further analysis, the blood was found to contain twenty-three chromosomes from the mother (Mary)—as is normal—but only one "Y" chromosome from the Father (God)—which should have been impossible, as regular humans have 23 chromosomes from mother and 23 from the father—a total of 46!

The Knights Templar knew that Joseph Arimathea was believed to be the man who collected some of Christ’s blood in a chalice as he hung on the crucifix, using a cloth to wipe excess splattered blood. No one knows what became of the Holy Grail or the blood it contained, but a piece of that cloth was obtained and preserved by the Templars.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jan 2 2018, 05:15 PM

Where sin increased, grace hyper-increased

Romans 5:20 (NIV) - The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more,


Some people think God's Law is given to help us to be Holy and obedient. But my Bible tells me in Romans 5:20, the Law was brought in to increase transgression! The 100% opposite.

I believe here is where some Christians has missed it.

Until we as Christians understand this; there will be a distinction between baby Christians and Fully matured Sons Christians. Many a times we may think we understand this in the mind but never walking in it's truth in practicality. We will say things like God please cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Praying such prayers shows that the person still look to the Law to make him righteous as what Romans 5:20 tries to persuade us otherwise.

I pray The Holy Spirit gives you this revelation.

God Bless.

[Intro]
The word says
"For the spirit of heaviness
Put on the garment of praise"
That's how we fight our battles

[Chorus 1]
This is how I fight my battles
This is how I fight my battles
This is how I fight my battles
This is how I fight my battles

[Verse]
It may look like I'm surrounded but I'm surrounded by You
It may look like I'm surrounded but I'm surrounded by You
It may look like I'm surrounded but I'm surrounded by You
It may look like I'm surrounded but I'm surrounded by You

[Chorus 1]
This is how I fight my battles
This is how I fight my battles
This is how I fight my battles
This is how I fight my battles
This is how I fight my battles
This is how I fight my battles
This is how I fight my battles...
This is how I fight my battles

[Verse]
It may look like I'm surrounded but I'm surrounded by You
It may look like I'm surrounded but I'm surrounded by You
It may look like I'm surrounded but I'm surrounded by You
It may look like I'm surrounded but I'm surrounded by You

[Chorus 1]
This is how I fight my battles
This is how I fight my battles
This is how I fight my battles
This is how I fight my battles
This is how I fight my battles
This is how I fight my battles
This is how I fight my battles
This is how I fight my battles

[Verse]
It may look like I'm surrounded but I'm surrounded by You
It may look like I'm surrounded but I'm surrounded by You
It may look like I'm surrounded but I'm surrounded by You
It may look like I'm surrounded but I'm surrounded by You

[Chorus 1]
This is how I fight my battles
This is how I fight my battles
This is how I fight my battles
This is how I fight my battles
This is how I fight my battles
This is how I fight my battles
This is how I fight my battles
This is how I fight my battles




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Spiritual Warfare Song! This means War against spiritual forces of darkness!

What does hyper-grace mean?

Does it mean the more i sin, the more God forgives me?



This post has been edited by Mr. WongSF: Jan 6 2018, 03:42 PM

What does Leviticus 23:15 - 16 mean?

What does 'new meat' mean?

And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:

16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the Lord.

Urkg ... KJV is confusing. It should be meal offering.

The meal offering consists of four elements but specifically excludes two other elements. Fine flour, oil, frankincense, salt but no leaven and honey.

It is a typology of Christ's fine humanity.

other versions even use the term 'grain' instead of meats.

are we not the new meat presented to Him?

and what about the 7 day counts from the Sabbaths + 1 extra day mean? When do we start counting?



This post has been edited by Mr. WongSF: Jan 6 2018, 05:59 PM

They are close ... meal offering will be the best (IMHO), .. grain offering will be the next.

Truthwise, we have nothing that is qualified to present to God. So, we are not the offerings (PER SE - it is too much to talk about church life as the corporate meal offering) to God.

Read this: http://biblehub.com/sermons/auth/mackintos...at-offering.htm

Christ today is the reality of the offerings. According to Hebrews 10:7-9, Christ came in the flesh to do the will of God, which was to replace the Old Testament offerings with Himself. Verse 9b says, “He takes away the first that He may establish the second.” The “first” denotes the animal sacrifices of the Old Testament, and the “second” denotes Christ as the unique sacrifice, the unique offering. In the Old Testament there were many offerings, but in the New Testament there is one, unique offering - the wonderful person of Christ.

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This section is on the feast of the Pentecost. It was the feast of the fiftieth day, counting from the day after the Sabbath, the day on which the sheaf of the wave offering was brought to God, until the day after the seventh Sabbath, being a total of fifty days (vv. 15-16a). It signifies the resurrection of Christ in its sevenfold fullness reaching the realm of the complete fullness, bearing the full responsibility

Pentecost actually means fiftieth . In the New Testament, the day of Pentecost was the fiftieth day from the Lord's resurrection counting from the second day (the first day of week) after the Passover on which the Lord was crucified. amazing huh?

This post has been edited by pehkay: Jan 6 2018, 06:49 PM

If you take this verse coupled with Romans 6:14....

It means that if you receive this abounding measure of the grace Christ has given you, sin will lose it's hold on your life, you will not want to sin.

As Christians..God has us covered. In the area of our weaknesses, God's grace super exceed.

This will only work if you receive this as it is, unmerited.

Thanks for the link.

So Pentecost started almost 2000 years ago. Do you agree that we are still in the season & it has not ended yet? A 2000 year long season ending with a harvest?

Would the day counts still be in operation today although its from the OT?

Would there be a specific day to begin the count?



I see a lot of 7s & 50s

Do these mean anything to you :



1) 2nd Kings Chapter 1 (ver 1 - 14)



Does 50 point us to Pentecost? Are there parallels to our present time?

Can we perhaps speculate that the Pentecost Season will end at the end of a specific Biblical count?

If so, which is the beginning/or the 1st day to start counting?



2) Leviticus Chapter 23 (ver 15 - 16)



So looking at the count, lets take a hypothetical start date on a Sabbath, say 23rd Sept 2017, would the following be correct?



The day of the end of the 50 day count would be - 31st Dec 2017


amazing huh?



What about Christians who continue sinning even after a 'salvation experience' ? Are their sins forgiven past, present & future?

Do you understand what Romans 6:14 is saying? Does it not help you to understand why Christians continue sinning?

How come you are answering my question with questions?

Because I want you to read the scripture verse I gave you. It basically helps you to understand the question you asked me.

Have you read it? What do you think it says there?

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jan 6 2018, 10:55 PM

For the first question, I don't not really sure what you are trying to ask. If I may assume: you are asking if we are still experiencing Pentecost and there is a harvest at the end.

Actually, spiritually speaking, Pentecost is the harvest. Technically, we are still enjoying the harvest in the church (Philippians 1:19). How can I say this .....

Pentecost was the fulfillment of the feast of Weeks, and this feast was also called the feast of Harvest (Exo. 23:16). See Shavuot; If you remember, Pentecost was fifty days after the offering of a sheaf of the firstfruits of the harvest.



According to Leviticus 23, a sheaf of the firstfruits of the harvest was offered as a wave offering on the next day after the Sabbath. In the Old Testament, when the harvest was ripe, a sheaf of the firstfruits of that harvest was offered to God. This was fulfilled in the Lord's secret ascension to the Father; if you remember the story where Mary wanted to touch Him, but the Lord did not allow her because the Father's satisfaction is first. (John 20:17).

Many Christians do not realize that Christ secretly ascended to the Father early in the morning on the day of His resurrection. But, yes, later He ascended openly forty days later. On the day of His resurrection the Lord went to the heavens to offer Himself as the firstfruit of God’s harvest for the satisfaction of God the Father. That was a secret ascension. The day of Pentecost was fifty days later.

Let us now summarise the significance of these four feasts. The feast of the Passover was fulfilled on the day of Christ's death (Matt. 26:2, 17-19, 26-28). In the Passover we were saved, justified, and regenerated. Following this, the feast of unleavened bread is for us to live a life without sin. This means that the feast of unleavened bread is being fulfilled in the church age. The feast of the first fruits was fulfilled on the day of Christ's resurrection (1 Cor. 15:20). The feast of Pentecost was fulfilled fifty days after Christ's resurrection, on the day of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:1-4; cf. 1:3). In Christ's resurrection on the day of the first fruits, the members of Christ were produced for the formation of the church. Then on the day of Pentecost the resurrected and ascended Christ poured out Himself upon His members in the form of the consummated, all-inclusive, life-giving Spirit to form the church.

Don't know if I want to mention this .... In Lev. 23:22, something was to be left for the poor and the sojourner after the harvest. The poor and sojourners are we Gentiles XD. It is illustrated by the case of the Canaanite woman in Matthew 15. We are the little dogs eating the what was fallen from the table for the Jews

But good news is we can enjoy the Pentecost Triune God, the Pentecost Christ, and the Pentecost Spirit as our portion today ... right now.

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Regarding the 2nd, can I pour some cold water ah?

I don't really pay attention to dates calculation because it is very unreliable. The building up of the church decides the world situation. Not the dates.

I do understand the spiritual meanings of numbers in the Bible e.g like 7 denotes number of completion, 5 is responsibilty, and 10 is human completion. So, 50 is 10X5 with 7 (from Sabbath), one can say Pentecost shows the resurrection of Christ in its sevenfold fullness reaching the realm of the complete fullness, bearing the full responsibility (signified by the number fifty, which is ten times five, the number of responsibility) for the testimony of resurrection. But these are secondary things.

And I do not apply it to all parts in the Bible, my principle is this: in the Old Testament, many persons, events, and objects are types, but it is not up to us to decide whether or not they are types. We have to find out the clear evidence from the New Testament. If there is no mention in the New Testament of the object, the events, or the person as a type, then we should not rashly surmise that they are a type. At the most, we can only borrow these persons, events, and objects as illustrations and use them to explain the truths in the New Testament.

Now, feast is clearly evidenced in Hebrews, so some of the sharing is what I gained from authors especially on feasts in Leviticus.

This post has been edited by pehkay: Jan 7 2018, 03:44 PM