Kelvin, I will phone you again tomorrow on your promises to Mr. Lim of Kuantan?

With all the knowledge and books from all the experts will get you no way if you do not have the followings

1. Luck
2. Love of Swiftlets
3. Feeling for Swiftlets


Remember that this is God's Gift to you. You need not feed them and they came and they go as they like. Your bird house is just like a rest house (Swiftlet Hotel) and they stay and pay you well in white gold. They deserve the best in service, protection and care.

I built a swiftlet house six years ago and sold it last year for 1.7 M. and I regret it ever since. Although, they said that I get peanut for 4000 nest in the shop lot considering Rm600 per nest; I should be getting Rm1M for the shop and the sky Rm2.4M = Rm3.4M and maybe less 20%, the amount should not less than 2.5M. My regret is that the new owner throw away eggs to get fast money and better price (white nest) ......it hurts my heart to see my birds suffer.
I even offer to buy back for Rm2.5M but the new owner want Rm3.5M which I hardly can afford.

Thank God, that I get to buy a new shop right opposite the building sold and now, less than one year, I have over 800 nest...............hoping that some are my birds lost long ago. After sometime with these swiftlets, they are like your babies..................you don't hurt the hand that feed.

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Added on June 10, 2008, 9:57 pmI sold some of these hydrometers to my friends for Rm40 a piece and I still have a dozen. Interested, can get it from me only if you can't find them in the market at similiar price. I am not a merchant but a friendly fellow birdman, caring for other birdman in need.

Most willing to help
I remain

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jun 10 2008, 09:57 PM

From my humble view, you are playing DC bird call.

Pardon me again,
If it is after rain, the birds will fly low and fast as they are catching flying termites and they are plentiful. Here, we have a case of high flying birds and not in any pattern that I have seen. I am no consultant but a successful bird house owner.

So, C Foo out there, what's say U?

Me from where................small town, Kemaman near Club Med and most welcome to our oil town (now a bird town) if you happen to drop in.
I involve in other successful buz but then now, I seem to be more involve with Swiftlets, maybe luv at first sight. Here, I encourage them, new and old birds ranger to allow the bird to breed and multiply. Only 3 to 4 harvest a year or picking up used nest as the new generation of birds fly away and we see alot of new birds and most bird houses are very successful around here. In this way, we may have fewer nest now but will see an big increase in the number of nest . I have sucessfully increase 4th year house from 3K to 4K in less than one year.

Tell you a joke, once there was this birdnest buyer told me that my nests were big and well form but unfortunately not white. I told him that I haven't teach my chick to wear diaper yet. A Rm700 difference in price to me isn't very important as I have 20Kilo of the good thing each time and most importance of all, I sleep well . Knowing that next harvest will be better than this time and that my BH will surely appreciate in price by at least 20% very year. I am not myopia and I see far.

I share my love and interest of swiftlets with everyone and anyone ........

open roof?
dog kennel?
wall hole??

I thought that the local councils in most town disallow dog kennel or hole in the back wall............it doesn't look nice and the sound from the entrance affect neighbors.

So far most of our BH in our town are using open roof or have change to this type of opening and my reasons are
1. The sound are facing upward and there are lesser complaints of noice pollution.
2. Local Council cannot complaint about its appearance
3. Most BHs in our area are successful and we have no complaint over the method.

Maybe, SiFus out there may disagree with Freshman like me only 7 years in the buz. Maybe other places allow such opening and I also believe that the other two work better during the initial stage for new BH but then, Laws are Laws, Rules are Rules and we like to be on the safe side and to be nice and friendly to our neighbors.

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Added on June 19, 2008, 2:29 pmHey, BH Rangers!

How to take care of BS (Guano) ? I mean getting good price for the BS.

Maybe, someone expect in fertilizer may wish to help us. I found that they are very good for Oil Palm ( My friend own Oil Palm plantation). By applying them to around the trees make them bear fruits that are much bigger and oily.

Any place that I can learn how to process BS, Pack and Sell in shop and maybe Supermarket. Organic fertilizer producing organic food which fetch very high price these days.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jun 19 2008, 02:29 PM

Kelvin Heng......Kelvin Heng,

Where is the fake nests and the Outer CDs that you said that you will send on Monday and today is the following Sunday, my friend.

My friends has been asking me for it and still I haven't receive them. Hope to receive them soon.

Lee Kmn

Hi,

Can someone pls explain why it take so long to process my application to "Swiftlet Millionaire Club Forums"

If it's for special members, it's Ok but if it is to share one's knowledge on swiftlets, I would like to share my little 7 years experience in swiftlet's farming. West Wing, that's me is in the list as new member but cannot participate unless I receive the approval by email............. so, how do you, sir say that most new members do not participate or contribute at all?

OIC.....the site is for special group of millionaire and I thought millionaire Swiftlet owners only which I M also one lah ha..ha..ha...ha. If the requirements are to buy his books and to attend his seminars, then, then it is not a open blog but a "teacher to students" blog.

Also, if the book is really good, I surely will buy and if the seminars are good, I shall attend as I have make alot from this industry and I surely would want to make more monies. Anyone who has the book or has attended any of the seminars, pls. advice as we are all learning and learning never end. I believe that by sharing one's knowledge on it, one learn more by the feedback and together, we create a better understanding of the wonderful creature that turn nest into gold. Amen and OMITORFOR

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Added on June 23, 2008, 11:45 pmThank you for the infomation otherwise I will be waiting in vain.........................

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jun 23 2008, 11:45 PM

Hi, Brother SeeSang , address me, brother lah, well, as one famous lawyer once said, I may look old, sound old but old definitely not me as I feel young.......how about sweet 50+ sound to you; young if you know that I am going to live to a hundred or so by taking birdnest everyday, FOC of course from our own BHs.

A apple a day keep the doctor away
A nest a day keep the caretaker away.

OK, brothers and sisters of the BM..............eat birdnest daily and live to a hundred

Beware, new BH owners, don't use light in you BH or else you lose the few birds you have in your BH like my friend.
Facts:
1. Swiftlets are drawn to light because light draw insects to it and who does want easy supper.
2. Swftlets can see better than they can hear but they are safer in darkness because they have the ability to fly in total darkness but not their predators.

Real Story:
A new BH owner of a few months informed me that that during the night, he switch on the light and saw alot of birds entering his BH. But recently, he saw no more bird flying when he switched on the light and ask me why?

My Answer: The birds he saw were from his BH and not from outside and they are flying because of the light and the light drawn some insects. The Birds feel unsafe because of the light so they moved to a dark safer BH and possible mine.

For old BHs like mine, no problems light or no light, the birds are here to stay.....but I still perfer trusted dark BHs.

Any comments are welcome

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Added on June 24, 2008, 11:15 pmDear Kelvin

So many unhappiness and complaints. I still like you alot and think you are a nice person after meeting only one time long ago...............but maybe, you are very busy and maybe you take too many project that you forget some promises or appointments or others. You seem like a high techman, get a PDA and keep your promises and appointments on time. Remember to call back on missed calls and remember your promises to me.

Because you are my friend that I give you the above advices and I mean you well, so no offend lah.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jun 24 2008, 11:15 PM

From my humble point of view, if your lower floor attract lesser birds, you have some problem with the lower floor because bird tend to like lower floor cause the temperature is more stable and never too extreme. Initial few nest maybe on the upper floor because it is brighter and feel safer due to new surrounding but gradually, they will go down to be safer as darkness is to their advantage. Yes, they play in the top floor and who doesn't, what fun to play in the dark unless you are playing hide and seek, Ha Ha Ha

Nine months ago, I have a option to buy one of 2 BHs and one having 80+ nest on the lower floor and 10 on the upper floor and the other, having 4 in the lower floor and 50+ in the upper floor. I choose the one with 4 in the lower floor although the BH is the same price because I have the confidence that I will be able to make the lower floor better than the top floor when I solve the problem and the other BH is normal in to my belief. Guess what, I am lucky, after 6 months, I have 100+ in the upper floor and 600+ in the lower floor. Am I lucky, Am I lucky and I must be lucky.

Nothing to do with the lighting, maybe the entrance, temperature or humidity or smell problem. Check them out and I maybe wrong and I am still learning to be better and better by trial and error and to learn from you all each time I go on internet . Hopefully, those with good results will share their knowhows and experiences.

Lastly, me no sifu, just Swftlet ranger ana a lone ranger Ha Ha Ha

I really and truly agree with you that we need to read books on swiftlets farming and to attend frequent seminars to keep us up to date. Also, senior rangers like me (mind you not old) tend to forget the very basic and often overlook need the seminars, too. Young ones have no choice but to read and learn thru experience and mistakes and that where seminars conducted by the experts held you in solving your problems before it even happen. Not need for trial and error like us before; I always say that the young generation is much better and easier than us. We suffer and they learn from our mistakes. We suffer and they gain but no pain no gain.

Kelvin,

you be good and prove them wrong....................I hope. Don't forget about me again, pls...............................

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Added on June 25, 2008, 9:07 pmMy ways...............want to but cannot tell because it too conservative and unthinkable for the new world of high tech and advance methods of swiftlets ranching.

That's the reason for me to join in the forum and learn new ways of farming and along the way add a little of what I think I know to help if possible without hurting anyone or any group of experts by my old ways.

Old habits hard to get rid off and maybe shall attend some new refreshment courses but then my method is dirt cheap or shit cheap hahahaha

Coming to the new ways of swiftlets ranching (new and no more old farming), anyone want to sell his books or perfume or aroma or anything and need an agent, I maybe one provided that I get good monies of course.

I am good in selling and many BH newbies come to me for method to start a BH and I often recommend them to consultants I know....................no without any commission mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Not that I am selfish but I am outdated and a consultant need alot of time and effort to help uou to be successful. Me, I just try to give alittle advice and it's free ok ok ok sometime coffee and maybe with some roti telor.

As some consultants pointed out that old ways cannot work in the new world where there are so many BHs trying to lure the Birds .............sometime more difficult than trying to lure the SYT next door.

Later I will tell you how if everyone cooperate and learn to share the birds and that there will be no shortage of birds to share. How to start a successful BH, we leave them to the new qualified trained educated experienced consultants.



This post has been edited by West Wing: Jun 25 2008, 09:07 PM

Thanks, Kelvin and I sincerely hope to receive mine, too.

Hi Lbert,

I will try to answer some of your questions with the little knowhow that I think I know and hope all the SIFUs out there are not offended.
1. Problems with the lower floor, you need to have spend some time in the floor to understand what you are missing or lack of. I have explain to you what to look for iin my formal suggestion in this forum and it is for you to find out as I am not saint and I need to be there to know what is wrong. You may solve the problem yourslef or you may find someone with experience there or some good consultant to have a look at the problems.

2, Gecko, large one can attack eggs and chicks so you need to get rid of them. Since Gecko is large and you normally can hunt it down or you may buy some lizard bite or poison to get rid of the Gecko. Someone once suggest using a bottle have halffill with sugar water to attract the Gecko to fall into the bottle and thus getting trap.
3. As for quality sound, this you will have to buy from professional or to get from friends from Swiftlet farming. Good or bad, experience will tell and you don't, ask your friends in the buz. Sound and smell play equal importance in sucessful BH and you have 200 nests and what more do you want cos your BH must be quite new as you don't understand the good sound from the bad.
So, Sifus, hope I answer alright............. a B+, eh?

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Added on June 29, 2008, 8:37 pmYes, I agreed with you.yscargro. Hey, Swiftbuild............you are alway trying to lure other to your site. Pls try to solve some of their problems at this forum. When you have help them and they will be your friends and will eventually go to your site and look up to you like Sifu. Selling is ok if your products are good. My friend is looking for some good outside CDs and perfumes for his new BH. If you products are good, I will get him to call you personally on the matter. As I told you that my methods are old as me and it never are good for the young rancher who always want immediate result. Birds appear immediately like magic but also disappear like magic, too........ha ha ha just kidding, Mr. Consultants.....just kidding.

Oh yes....I am also want if you are giving Free swiftlet CDs and I will love you for it. Sorry not love but like will be appropriate or otherwise I will be banned from this forum and land myself on lover blog.

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Added on June 29, 2008, 8:56 pmHey swifbuild,

I just went to your blog and it's good so those BH owners who want to improve yourself may want to read your Blog.



This post has been edited by West Wing: Jun 29 2008, 08:56 PM

So sorry YSC,

I forget to answer your question
1. 20kilo is from one of my biggest BH and infact, the biggest harvest from that BH that I get was 35 Kilos. I have sold it and from the profits, I bought 3 BHs.
2. At present, I have 4 and maybe 5 soon if everything goes well.
3. Oop, no more question............bye

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Added on June 30, 2008, 11:19 pmHi Sam

nice to know you so you are a retailer of SFE. So, now we are introduce and are friends..............do I get discount?

Shall phone you for any possible of getting cheap BH products.......................always like to try new things...........anyone know about the latest 3G camera phone to install in BH?

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jun 30 2008, 11:19 PM

Hi, 30 nests after 15m........Ok lah and all depend on location and the way you do it. Well, at least you are getting good result althought not really very good. You know alot of new ranchers aren't getting this many nests and some don't even have one. Hey, by the way how do you know how many birds you got? Do you really count the birds flying into your BH and what about the ones you missed? I normally count the nests that I have and determine my improvement in the BH and not by the number of Birds flying in. If the number of birds flying into the BH are flying into the BH are alot more than the nests after some period of time, then we are worried.


Although I m no Sifu but will like only to share experience with fellow swiftlets admirers, yo may improve but getting some aroma or perfume to attract more birds to make nest instate of play play only if you have alot of birds entering......................maybe, consultants in the forum can assist you in buying some of these temptation smell.......................................

Yes...yes..yes, 3G Eye. what is the price, any offer and where to buy?

Also, is it good and I was introduce by a friend who use it in his BHs after knowing that I am about to install DVR for internet access to my BHs.

Regards

For new BH, I think that the 3G Eye is beautiful and it is flexible. You can put it in any place and can view it immediately without any wire or expertise required. Just my opinion and for that I haven't tried the 3G Eye yet.

As for the DVR multi channel with IR cameras with broadband, I found it rather difficult to install and use.....with wire here and there, not for DIY guy like me. I have 2 DVRs and I still haven't install them in my BHs yet.

Real F with some consultants.....Don't like to mention names here. So, new to be millionaire or sucker, beware of those so called consultants, fly by night type. Get quality adviser.

Else, you end paying so much, some up to Rm60K!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!