crazybird,tell me where r u from?where is your unsuccessful farm?Let me see if I can do anything.

Just came across this forum,n read with interest in particular to ur 'sos'.I dont have much time engaging in chat.Only surf once a while.

I am new in this forum.But in the birdnest farming since 1998.Owned a few farms with
some success which I had no regret.

I know not many people,only know some old timers cum old friends who were with me since we first started.I remember those days how we were been laughed and called 'crazy'at by other friends when we first ventured into this industry. Now,these friends are spread across the country.

I dont promise u anything yet as I need ur answer then only I can talk to the one nearest to u and see if he is free n interested to look into ur problem.

I am doing this purely out of curiosity and sympathy,and also depends on ur luck.

U can PM, email or reply me here.

GOOD LUCK

Actually the problem of Taman Fajar in Nibong Tebal existed since 2001.(The 1,000+ complaints,(I think exagerated by council) are accumulated through the years from across the whole Seberang Prai,not all for Taman Fajar.)The rows of shophouse converted farm were rather close to the residential taman located right behind about 300 meters away.The bird entrances are all at the back of the shophouses.It just needs one owner inconsiderately or 'accidentally' blast the music,or the timer mulfunctioned.Just imagine what would happen,if u r the resident behind?Also,very unlucky,there is one Malay cikgu with political influence living right behind in the taman and he is very good with his pen.So,Taman Fajar farm became the No 1 focus of complaints in the state of Penang.

Most of these farms owned by fishermen and fish traders from the nearby famous Sg Udang fishing village.They r rather illiterate and ignorant but they r very adventurous.As a matter of fact,many of them are actually the early birds and pioneers venturing into the bird nest farming industry in the state of Penang due to knowledge gained from their close business relationship with their Indonesian business counterparts from nearby Medan.

The commercialisation and the sprouting of the birdnest farming industry actually to a large extent initiated by these pioneers and their Indonesian Chinese partners from here in the ninties esp it started to pick up momentum in 1998(Indo crisis-when many Indon Chinese escaped to here with their cash and families) and spread to Sitiawan,Kota Baru etc and subsequently to many northen states and gradually and slowly going south and cross the ocean to Sabah and Sarawak and eventually throughout whole M'sia lately. ("Official survey"by Perhilitan in 2000 was 741 farm houses in whole M'sia)Today,we estimate the number of birdhouses in Penisular alone already exists 60,000 and still spiralling.

In no time,and just as we predicted in 2000 to the Ministry,the bird nest production shall replace tin ore,becomes the third largest local produce of M'sia next to palm oil and rubber to yield in Billions of foreign revenue to help sustain our dwindling economy.

The first incident of official complaint made against a birdhouse in M'sia was in Nibong Tebal in 2000 by a lady MCA ADUN,owner was a Mr Teoh.Actually,it was a MCA team A and team B squabble at that time.

The first and second case of a birdhouse being officially and 'wrongfully' torn down by local council in M'sia was in Taman Sentosa and Taman Jawi Jaya,Nibong Tebal during Chinese New Year and in March 2001 respectively.Both cases owner was Mr Khor.The instigator was again the same ADUN and same reason.Mr Khor is still sueing the local council since then.The case is still on.

After many appeals,dialogues,meetings etc made by numerous parties between Govt Departments and NGOs for the past many years,finally and officially in 2005,M'sia Govt at Ministry level recognised this industry, drafted and approved the national guidelines and announced in Oct 2005.Nevertheless,this guidelines is rather ambiguous, too bureaucratic and exists alot of flaws,does not really help and convenience the healthy growth of the industry,thus,it still needs further inputs and amendment,if the Govt really and seriously treasure its potential positive impact on our economy.

Wow,it is going to be too lengthy to write out the whole history and the true story.I have to stop here.Too tired already.
May be next time if,I say if, I have the time and the mood, I may tell u all the interesting,sad and ugly incidents of Malacca,Johore,Perak,Trengganu etc,and most importantly,not forgeting,the most controversial Penang sad story.Of course,also,the insider story of how a number of groups of greedy people trying, attempting'plotting and conspiring to monopolise this trade politically and making matters difficult for other M'sians to survive in this trade.It involved politicians,government officials and the big timers.Well,u have to believe it.

Early this morning,new row of shophouse turned farms in Taman Fajar,NT,Seberang Prai,Penang being broken into and ransacked by the Majlis Perbandaran Seberang Prai enforcement using backhoe(cari makan).

By 10am,5 farms being bullozed and damaged with another 3 to 4 units have their tweeters removed and silenced.The destroying is still undergoing.

It seems only the row of newly built and operated for less than 3 years is being targeted.These were built and sold by a developer who sub contracted it to a "CON-sultant" who boosted his skill by putting up a big sign board right in front of the buildings.

Probably due to being the newest and also the skill,most of them not successful,in desperation,the owners fully blasted their tweeters and thus invited complains.

The other older successful farms existed since 2000.Done by the early birds cum pioneers of M'sia as mentioned in my last posting.So far,all of them applied for licenses and approved in 2006.

I guess the complains must be spearheaded again by the "CIKGU" living right behind.

Statistic shows that 75% of all complains received against bird farms are "noise pollution".Therefore,I urge all bird farm operators to have self restrains in particular to the noise level and exert utmost consideration for your neighbours.Be very friendly to your neighbours at all time.

Confucius said

"DO NOT DO UNTO OTHERS WHAT YOU DO NOT WANT OTHERS DO UNTO YOU" and

"DO NOT BUILD YOUR HAPPINESS ON OTHERS GRIEVENESS" and

"IF YOU MAKE OTHERS SUFFER,IN THE END YOU ARE THE ONE SUFFER MOST"

Therefore,please be considerate for others and you will be happy farming.

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Added on December 13, 2007, 5:22 pmTo skynest,

I read with interest your comment over the conversations between a swiftfarm member and Pegawai and Dato Sri Ong Ka Ting and also your personal conclusion that only MCA helped this industry.

I share with u that Dato Ong did help in,but disagree with u that only MCA helped.
From our experiences for the past 10 years with dealing with all the farming problems faced across the whole nation in the early period of investing into this venture,we concluded that in every political party,be it Barisan Nasional(BN) or Barisan Alterative (BA),exist the good,the bad and the ugly.

Examples are:
1) 1st few incidents of complaint against bird farm in history of M"sia occured in Nibong Tebal in 2000 by a MCA lady YB who was dead against the bird farms for her hidden political agendas

2)MCA,UMNO and DAP joinly picketed and protested against bird farming in M"cca in 2002.It resulted the EXCO passed an urgent resolution giving 6 months for all bird houses to disappear in M'cca from 01.01.03.

3)Many similar incidents occurred across the country during the period,more than we could count or remember.

Most of these incidents in the early part were actually started and instigated by the ruling parties YBs esp the MCA.

Dato Sri Ong Ka Ting came into the picture in early 2004 as he was the Minister for Housing and Local Government.As a matter of fact,the approval and issuance of bird house license falls under the local councils which are directly under his Ministry.Therefore,it is his Ministry's responsibility to prepare the guidelines.Thus he is the most appropriate person to help this industry.Question is how much and how efficient did he commit and help for this simple and straight forward industry up to date?
Why must he take so many years?Do you consider he is efficent enough?

Unfortunately,the 1st set of the National Guidelines for the Industry launched by his Ministry in oct 2005 was very badly and unprofessionally prepared by the officers who lacked the indepth knowledge and practical experiences of the industry and also that they failed to accept the offers to help by the Associations of the industry.As a result,the guidelines were very ambiguous with a lot of flaws and giving 'opportunities'for certain unscrupulous officers to interprete in their own terms and whims to prey on some poor owners.Thats the reasons why different council have different rulings and conditions.And it has become it is who you know that matters.Anyway,it is part of our M'sia Bolih culture.

Hopefully that,the Ministry is really revising the guidelines soon as they promised since after launching the 1st one.

The best and the painless implementation of the licensing was in Daerah Kerian,Perak(Parit Buntar)launched in early 2006.It seemed every onwner applaused and cheered to the then D.O.Tuan Abdul Puhat Bin Mat Nayan who instructed a simple and straight forward approval across the board of license to all exising bird houses without any fuss with license fee of flat RM 200 per operation and all completed within 2 weeks from date of application.This had greatly reduced red tapes and and corruptions in the council and convenienced and relieved the worries of all operators in Kerian.Many locals are very fond and pleased with Tuan Puhat.He is the rare breed who is for the people,the locals said. Today,Tuan Puhat has just been promoted to head another department in early Dec.The rakyats are going to miss him.

The extreme and most problematic councils are found in Penang state,Johore and the Manjung Council of Perak.They are giving constant nightmares to the operators.If you have weak heart,don't invest there.

All in all,I wish to state that there are the good ,the bad and the ugly politicians and officers in our country.It seems that the good ones are getting lesser.Most importantly,our present government administration really needs alot of drastic improvement soonest or I would not be surprise that M'sia rating will be comparing to the African under developed countries in a couple of years time.What a sad thing!


This post has been edited by Lucas 1: Dec 13 2007, 05:22 PM

I do not know what are you up to? Have you ever got stung by Harry b4? If,yes,then go and settle the problem with him quietly.Dont do it here! If not,then why? Are you jealous of him or you have a certain hidden intention? This is child play,man,do it at home,not here. Be an adult,if you are!

This is a very good blog where everybody are welcome to share their knowledge and experiences.Everybody is entitled to his own opinion and no one is being forced to accept 100%.If you dont agree and prepare to share what you think is correct and right,or have a better idea,then do it with sincerity and let everyone judge it himself and you will be appreciated like Harry.Dont get personal and behave like kid.Pesent your case in a gentleman way like many others here.

I have been enjoying myself with Harry's blog as well as others' and I find him very sincere and selfishless in sharing what he knows. His blog is very and more informatic than many other similar blogs for the time being and I believe,at least,I myself have benefited alot from it for free.Of course,it is not neccessary that I would agree 100% of what he wrote.To me,he is very impartial in his opinions.It is up to individual to use his head rather than ass to absorb.After all,you dont pay him anything.Do you?So,dont spoilt the fun,please!

As to the Pak Hen matter,I guess it is either Harry was too busy and delayed to inform of Pak Hen's unable to make it yet or he was still trying to coerse Pak Hen.I dont think anybody would mind.It was good for someone to highlight it if with sincerity but it is still not justified for a matured adult to maliciouly accuse him a'cheat' over such trivial matter.Whats other wrongs he has done to this blog so far?It gives many readers here the impression that this someone is with personal vendatta or hidden agenda.

As to the GAHP seminars,I personally think that the organiser is smart and wise enough to invite Harry to be a speaker.From feed backs received from friends who attended,they rated him to be the best speaker.He seemed to be the crowd puller and many attended the seminars simply because of him.Few other friends and myself are intending to enrol ourselves for the the seminar if Harry is still a speaker.Whether he got paid or not is none of our business.

Dont get jealous.I believe since you could accuse other a cheat,that means you should be much better and knowledgable than Harry,can you please disclose your blog to share with us? Also,since you claimed you know the organisers,why dont you offer to be a speaker and see if the organiser would take you?

I strongly believe that most readers here do enjoy and appreciate good articles,opinions,ideas etc posted here.Please dont turn it into a personal battle ground and upset our stomachs.

Please be reminded that this is an adult circuit. For those who like child play,please go to the children play ground. Thank you for not dirtying this blog further in future.

After reading the above good offer,my heart and soul really moved. But,there is a few doubts that make me feel puzzled.


1) RM23,800 for 1,600 sf ? Average area of one floor is 20'x60',20'x70' or 20'x80'.So,RM23,800 is for only one floor. Nowadays,do you think that a serious investor would do only one floor?

2) 24 hours security system? Do you think that buglars would visit a new BH of less than a year old?

3) Pest control? Why do we need that for a new BH?

4) Bird dropping? Dont tell me that this consultant still resolves to the spankling of bird droppings to attract birds?

5) 24 times visit to farm in a year,i.e. once in 2 weeks. Plus bird survey done weekly for one year or till the BH is successful? Do you think it is practical or realistic? Or unless they set up a branch office next to my new BH.

6) Guarantee of farm success or money back and no GIMMICKS and all transactions are in cash?
Why not this way,I would prefer to POST PAY RM 50,000 that I dont bother how this consultant is going to use and do on my BH,and he can keep the keys,just as long as there is no less than 50 genuine nests in one year. I am prepared to enter into any agreement with a bank guarantee to GUARANTEE payment. I think this should be a WIN-WIN for both parties. Well,any taker?

Sorry,Kelvin,I didint mean to insult u or any other consultant.I must admit that I was blur as I didnt know whose package offer it was from. I only spoke out what I felt that seemed not logic and clear in that 'ADVERTISEMENT'.I dont know who is goldennest,whitenest,supernest etc.Neither do I know who is who.Now only I realise that u are pearlnest and pearlnest is u.No hard feeling ,pl.

Nevertheless,my offer still stands and open to anybody or any'nest' who can help me to do up another new BH without me having to go through all the hustles personally.Of course,it is subjected to further details in agreement to avoid misunderstanding and its going to be POST- PAID.

I think u are right that I am still quite blur in this industry despites I already own a number of BHs.Some are already many yrs and some are new.Some are doing well and some are not that well. Many methods were used including the spankling of birdshit,ammonia and the so called aroma from EKA.From my personal experiences,my fastest in bird staying in and building of nests BHs are those not using the above formula. 4 yrs ago,I started blasting off the invitation music on 4 separate units of new BHs with same design in the same Taman on the same day.All with same music.2 with above mentioned ingredients added.2 were 'kosong' and so cleaned that I could roll on the floor without dirtying myself. After 2 months,I found a few nest bases started on the 2 'kosong' BHs whereas the other 2 with ingredients added took more than 5 months b4 I saw a couple of bases. So,If you were to ask me,I could only scratch my head.

I ever applied 'HORMONE' and the aroma purchased from the famous N*** T*** on those not so well BHs and after 6 months yet no improvement.Whereas for those already doing well,I did nothing,they keep on doubling up. So,u see,I am at a loss.How I wish that someone could come out with a good explaination and if possible,a conrete and proven solution or method to share and enlighten all of us. I do not mind in rewarding reasonably to those who are prepared to share their proven findings with me. I do appreciate and I think it is fair to compensate their time and effort.

Hi,Seeseng,U r very right.Some good volunteer just confirmed the stupid act of the PERHILITAN by emailed to me the photos taken from LCCI inside the departure.I am putting it up here. This is the main reason for the recent drop in prices in the bird'snests in M'sia only.Looks like it will continue dripping downwards till dont know when unless someone/ones are prepared to do something immediately to stop the PERHILITAN from further damaging this with hidden agenda.Every farmer and those involved in the trade will be hard pressed and crying soon.M'sia 's economy will be greatly affected.I bet u if there is any by-election,there will be Tsunami again to defeat the BN Federal Govt due to this small bunch of clowns from PERHILITAN pulling their own master's leg.BN never learnt.Do u know that 80% of the BH owners voted for the oppositions during last election?

1)In the past,without such implementation,there were many foreign buyers from e,g Indon and China,flew in here 4 to 6 times a month to fight for the nests.Becos of this stupid act of the PERHILITAN and its bereaucratic,red tapes, inefficiency,time consuming procedure and system that made thing difficult and inconvenient for the foreign buyers,thus,it deterred them from flying in as frequent as b4.Nowadays,if they do come,they come in submarine,may be once a month.And provided,your selling price is dirt cheap.If u dont sell,others will as they have their bank loan commitment or their children are studying in overseas.

2) A small group of volunteers are presently investigating and researching into the WILD LIFE ACT,suspecting that the PERHILITAN is circumventing the law and abusing their power by implementing such action by misleading the Minister concerned and jumping the gun for hidden agenda.They think that it is illegaL AND ILLEGITIMATE for the PERHILITAN to do that.They are waiting for certain evidences.They confirm those cases u mentioned are true and there are much more which have not been exposed.

3) This small group has highlighted and appealed to the Federation of the Chinese Chamber of Commerce recently requesting them to help to look into the matter seriously by using their established resources, manpower and machinery.Only the Chamber has the experience,calibre,ability,unity, sincerity and the machinery to do that with the past proven records.YOU may ask,where the hell are the birdnests associations and what have they done? Let me tell you this.Most of the committee members from the numerous birdnest associations across M'sia are of no calibres,useless, selfish and what the Chinese say "small People".Many of them can not read or write proper.For those who are of higher calibre and with better education background,wont want to do the dirty job for own hidden agenda.They only want to hold positions with their name cards printed to impress the newbies so they can act as Con-sultants or at the end of the days get nominated for the Sultans'A to Z titles.This also goes to the self- proclaimed Federation President ,a senior Dato from Kedah who is good for nothing.Just imagine,he was the YB and Exco in Kedah for many years,yet,till today,he did nothing during his tenure as Exco to convince the former BN Govt to license the BHs in Kedah.In fact,he himself owns the most BHs with no less than 100s in the region.He should thank to this trade as he was the developer one time burdened with hundreds of unable to sell shophouses b4 this trade emerged.He could have gone bankrupt.In Kedah,almost every farmer got harassed and summoned except his.This is the truth all Kedah BH farmers know and angry with.Understand today,he is blessed with lung cancer due to the too many "good deeds" done.

4)Also that,many associations committee can not see eye to eye due to conflict of interest or crash of business.One worst example is the former unscrupulous 1st President of the M""" Birdnest Association.Of course,not everyone is like that,there are some very dedicated,committed,sincere,prepared to contribute and yet frustrated committee from various associations,except that their numbers are very little,isolated and short-handed and inexperienced. These good men should surface, take the lead widen the gene-pool to hunt down each other and keep in touch with each other,put aside their differences and be united and organised with true sense of commitment,dedication to fight for what they sworn as a committee for the betterment for this industry which in the end of the day,their own interest as well.

5) These sincere committee from various individual associations together with those educated readers with righteousness of this blog should volunteer jointly to help out the Chamber to help this industry and in the end help your ownself,hopefully,b4 it is too late. If everyone were to contribute a little in his own positive way or resource and be united with no personal agenda and with one heart,I think those high-handed clowns from the PERHILITAN would retreat.

6) Just sit back and close your eyes for a while,dont fall asleep,start visualising what will happen if nobody comes forwards and volunteer to help in the situation?Just imagine what will happen to your already spent few hundreds thousands to the millions of yours or your dad's life time saving of investment?There is a saying,becomes water.Or do u want to take chance to count on luck that some samaritan would be sent by god to help resolve your immediate problem?So,u want to help urself or u want someone to help u and what if,that someone forget to turn up?Who has more to lose?Its either u come out to help urself or u assist others to help urself in so many ways.

6) I understand that The Federation of The Chinese Chamber of Commerce in KL will be organising a seminar cum symposium to discuss mainly this issue besides other birdnest related topics on 02.08.08 Saturday from 10 am onwards.I would like to appeal to this blog readers who are concern of the future of ths industry and prepare to contribute and to help out to help urself,please voluntarily call up the following phone to register to attend and for details.Participation is limited.Construtive proposals and actions expected and welcome.Also,spread the msg to persuade those whom u think would be able to contribute.We are on the same 'sampan'now,every single drop of help is important.Everyone of us can contribute in many different ways to reverse the situatiuon to our favour.Only with UNITY,can we win. No point for all of us talk c*** here and do nothing positive. There is a saying,everybody expects somebody to do it,in the end nobody does it and then everybody hugs each other and sink! Do u want that?

03-21452503 Mrs Kam, secretary (FEDERATION OF THE CHINESE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE)

GOOD LUCK

Friend,I agree with u that there are black sheep among the farmers who are very inconsiderate and take things for granted by full blasting that caused the intolerable noise pollution to neighbourhood.Despites I am an active farmer yet in several occassions together with few other farmers we confronted and made complaints against a couple of inconsiderate new farmers to lower their sound volume before the majlis do so in our town.One of the BHs belonged to a former YB.

I do not agree that all farmers are bird lovers.Majority of them love only money and they know nothing about birds except trying to learn about swiftlets.It is the potential wealth in this swiftlet farming that lures all sort of people into this trade.It doesn't matter whether they are bird lovers or money lovers to do this trade,but they must and better be real considerate of others'feeling and to follow the unwritten rule,that is to avoid causing nuisanes to the neighbourhood.

80% of the public complaints against BHs is the noise nuisanes to the neighbourhood. I would like to appeal to all the farmer readers that,please DO NOT DO UNTO OTHERS WHAT YOU DO NOT WANT OTHERS TO DO UNTO YOU.BE NICE,CONSIDERATE AND FRIENDLY TO ALL YOUR NEIGHBOURS INCLUDING YOUR NEXT DOOR FARMERS WHO ARE COMPETING FOR THE SAME FLOCKS OF SWIFTLETS. Remember whether you like it or not,all of us are on the same boat and we are still very vulnerable.All of us should exercise self discipline to avoid unneccessary complaints so that no excuse could be exploited by the unscrupulous POLITICAL BUGS and their agents with hidden agenda to capitalise on at the poor farmers' expense.(I wonder how is the KT govt going to "shift" the birds out from the towns.What they should do is to encourage the new farmers to do it on the outskirts as from now.For the existing ones and those who are compelled by circumstances to do in towns,the Authorities should formulate some form of reasonable guidelines to regulate them.)

I believe, to many of the farmers,the investment could have already costed their life savings or the BHs are their planned future retirement fund. Therefore,if any inconsiderate and drastic action by the Authority concerned would invite casthatropic reaction.Nevertheless,I would humbly suggest and encourage that all the farmers in their respective town should do their level best to join in the existing bird's nest associations if the leaders and the committee are sincere or form a new one to protect own interest.Alternatively,they may,en bloc join in to the local Chamber of Commerce or any local association to request a formation of a sub-committee taking care of the BH matter under the umbrella.Only with UNITY and the backup,you have the strength and the bargaining power.Do not be afraid of the YBs.Remember they are the YANG BERKHIDMATS elected by you to be at your service to solve yours and others problems.They are,as a matter of fact,more afraid of you,bcos of your votes.But,do be reasonable,be fair and behave yourself and have discipline.

Incidentally,I manage to grap hold of an article or report written by one of the pioneers on the HISTORY AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE EDIBLE-NEST INDUSTRY OF MALAYSIA.This is only a small part of what he has written in his full report. With his consent,I am attaching here to share with all of you especially the newbies.Hope you will appreciate it.

Friend,I agree with u that there are black sheep among the farmers who are very inconsiderate and take things for granted by full blasting that caused the intolerable noise pollution to neighbourhood.Despites I am an active farmer yet in several occassions together with few other farmers we confronted and made complaints against a couple of inconsiderate new farmers to lower their sound volume before the majlis do so in our town.One of the BHs belonged to a former YB.

I do not agree that all farmers are bird lovers.Majority of them love only money and they know nothing about birds except trying to learn about swiftlets.It is the potential wealth in this swiftlet farming that lures all sort of people into this trade.It doesn't matter whether they are bird lovers or money lovers to do this trade,but they must and better be real considerate of others'feeling and to follow the unwritten rule,that is to avoid causing nuisanes to the neighbourhood.

80% of the public complaints against BHs is the noise nuisanes to the neighbourhood. I would like to appeal to all the farmer readers that,please DO NOT DO UNTO OTHERS WHAT YOU DO NOT WANT OTHERS TO DO UNTO YOU.BE NICE,CONSIDERATE AND FRIENDLY TO ALL YOUR NEIGHBOURS INCLUDING YOUR NEXT DOOR FARMERS WHO ARE COMPETING FOR THE SAME FLOCKS OF SWIFTLETS. Remember whether you like it or not,all of us are on the same boat and we are still very vulnerable.All of us should exercise self discipline to avoid unneccessary complaints so that no excuse could be exploited by the unscrupulous POLITICAL BUGS and their agents with hidden agenda to capitalise on at the poor farmers' expense.(I wonder how is the KT govt going to "shift" the birds out from the towns.What they should do is to encourage the new farmers to do it on the outskirts as from now.For the existing ones and those who are compelled by circumstances to do in towns,the Authorities should formulate some form of reasonable guidelines to regulate them.)

I believe, to many of the farmers,the investment could have already costed their life savings or the BHs are their planned future retirement fund. Therefore,if any inconsiderate and drastic action by the Authority concerned would invite casthatropic reaction.Nevertheless,I would humbly suggest and encourage that all the farmers in their respective town should do their level best to join in the existing bird's nest associations if the leaders and the committee are sincere or form a new one to protect own interest.Alternatively,they may,en bloc join in to the local Chamber of Commerce or any local association to request a formation of a sub-committee taking care of the BH matter under the umbrella.Only with UNITY and the backup,you have the strength and the bargaining power.Do not be afraid of the YBs.Remember they are the YANG BERKHIDMATS elected by you to be at your service to solve yours and others problems.They are,as a matter of fact,more afraid of you,bcos of your votes.But,do be reasonable,be fair and behave yourself and have discipline.

Incidentally,I manage to grap hold of an article or report written by one of the pioneers on the HISTORY AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE EDIBLE-NEST INDUSTRY OF MALAYSIA.This is only a small part of what he has written in his full report. With his consent,I am attaching here to share with all of you especially the newbies.Hope you will appreciate it.





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SACRED ROLES THAT SHOULD BE PLAYED BY THE PERHILITAN TO ASSIST THE NEW FOUND GOLDEN GOOSE (THE BIRD'S NEST INDUSTRY) TO GROW AND THINGS THAT PERHILITAN SHOULD NOT DO TO KILL THE GOOSE.Dear fellow farmers,hopefully that this is another helpful proposal and opinion from the report on the industry,researched and written by a pioneer could be published in time to help the participants attending the seminar on 02.08.08 at the FEDERATION OF THE CHINESE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE to deliberate on and to find a solution.

For those attending the seminar,please download the report to be distributed to all the other participants of the seminar for them to have an indepth understanding of the present predicament and situation.And with UNITY AND COMBINED BRAIN POWER AND EFFORT,they should know what is the nest step.

If the present unwise act,suspected with hidden agenda of the PERHILITAN not rectified or stopped timely,the future of this industry in Malaysia looks groomy and all the 50,000 farmers with more to come combined with their dependents and the associated trades,millions in Malaysia would be having nightmares and Billions investments would go down to the drain.The present ill economy of the country will also be further aggravated.

I shall,from time to time,with the consent of the author,publish more of his findings to be shared with all of you.These are his personal experiences, findings,proposals and opinions for the industry.You need not agree with him.If you have a better and more positive proposal,please share with us.Always remember,all farmers are on the same boat,with even some can not see eye to eye.If there is a leak,everyone will have to get prepared to swim and be wet.For those who can't swim,god bless you.



FOUL PLAY,FAKE OR SCANDAL???????????Reliable information received that,a few volunteer practising lawyers are investigating into the few cases of birdhests being detained in the LCCI whereby the owners were harassed,abused and placed into lockup over the nightS by the PERHILITAN enforcement unit. These few particular cases happened sometime between end 2007 and early 2008.Understand that when the owners took up legal councils to defend their cases,the PERHILITAN dropped charges at the INSTRUCTIONS of the Deputy Public Prosecutor(DPP).The nests were released and returned.

For those cases whereby either the owners are all foreigners with no local contacts to assist or the owners are locals but too ignorant or afraid to fight the case and pledged guilty,the nests were consficated and owners served with a fine. There are still many cases happened and went unexposed.

The group of volunteers,after studying and reseaching into the papers and the latest WILD LIFE ACT,discovered and suspected there could be "foul"play on the part of the PERHILITAN. They discovered that among those photostated copies of purportedly certified copies of the actual ACT and supplied to all the PERHILITAN branches throughout the country to be given out to any enquirer,there is one copy -2516,2517-P.U.(A) 393/03 under the AMENDMENT could not be traced to or match the latest original ACT,no where to be found in the ACT.In another word,the copy deemed to be gazetted and certified true copy and had taken effect could be a fake or has yet to be passed and gazetted. Therefore,if the finding is confirmed true,then all the previous related cases incurred under such section taken by the PERHILITAN from the past up to today are all considered,WRONGFUL DETENTION,WRONGFUL ARRESTS,GROSSLY ABUSE OF POWER etc,which are all very serious charges against the PERHILITAN,THEIR DIRECTOR-GENERAL,THE MINISTER AND THE MALAYSIA FEDERAL GOVT.

I could not imagine how great the damaging effect and consequences going to be on the GOVT.It could be another national SCANDAL.If those victims were to take up counter sueing cases against the errant Authorities,they may win a BH each. It is very interesting now.

Can our fellow readers please help spread this message to those victims u know of and request them to contact me through PM or post it here.I will like to unite and round all of them up to be refered to a group of senior legal councils for a biggest case ever in the history of this industry if the facts are confirmed.

I am attaching the 3 (1,2,3)copies of the 'document' given out by the PERHILITAN and another copy (4)of the last page from the latest PROTECTION OF WILD LIFE ACT 1972(ACT 76)(AS AT 10TH SEPTEMBER 2007) AMENDMENT for your scrutiny.For those fellow readers who are interested esp those who have legal knowledge and willing to help in to do some good deed for this industry,please PM me.

This post has been edited by Lucas 1: Aug 1 2008, 12:33 AM

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Wow,what a brilliant idea,West Wing,I support your idea.Why not u start planning and forming a company? I don't mind to partner you or u can invite the readers here to take up shares ! Ha....Ha.....Ha.....

WOW, WHAT A COINCIDENCE ???

WHAT A COINCIDENCE,when I am about to post again another article talking of the alleged human inflicting diseases associated with the swiftlet extracted from the report written in 2002 by the Senior pioneer,complaint from Dr Tang appeared in the Star.

VERY INTERESTINGLY,the writer cum the Senior pioneer seemed to be able in 2002 to anticipate whats going to be fear and complain of, of this industry as in today. After reading his article,I personally am convinced that the content of his article already provided the clues to the answer,if not the total answer,to the suspicions and worries of Dr Geof Tang and many outsiders of this industry and also some of us in the industry.

The writer cum Senior pioneer confirms that between 2002 and 2005(world-wide avian flu rampage period),the Ministry of Health together with the Haiwan had done many researches,investigations and tests of the posibilities of swiftlets being carriers of various diseases in particularly to avian flu.All results turned out NEGATIVE which was published in the media and papers. Dr Fauziliah from the Haiwan was one of the key persons responsible for it.The Senior pioneer had personally helped the research team from the Ministry to arrange birdshit and blood sampling collections from the BHs across the country during the period. This is the main reason that the Ministry of Health and the Haiwan are the most supportive of this industry.To his personal opinoins and knowledge,that a handful high ranking officials from the PERHILITAN and from a certain Majlis(PBT) are the ones causing problems and troubles to this industry with their hidden agenda.

I am attaching his report here.Hopefully this could help us sleep better at night.



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WHY ARE U STILL WAITNG???? U ARE WASTING TIME AND OPPORTUNITY!!!!!

ONLY QUESTION IS THAT,HOW MUCH IS THE PROPERTY?

DAYLIGHT LICENSED AND AUTHORIZED ROBBERY ON THE SWIFTLET’S NEST HOUSES BY THE SARAWAK FORESTRY CORPORATION
On 14.10.08 morning, two units of bird’s nest houses operated for more than 10 years in the Mukah township of Sarawak were forced into and robbed by the officers and rangers of the Sarawak Forestry Corporation. Guns were pointed at the owners to force them to open the bird’s houses. These ‘robbers’ destroyed the interiors of the buildings and took away all the nests leaving behind thousands of baby swift lets and broken eggs on the floors.
The owners alleged that these ‘robbers’ in uniform claimed to be from the above-mentioned corporation, refused to show proof of their identity with authority cards and failed to disclose any justified reasons in legal papers when demanded, only claimed that they had the power and were instructed by the Sarawak State Secretary Office through their head office to tear down all the existing bird’s nest houses in the town of Mukah.
Police were called in by the locals but were told that they had no power to stop them as they were directly instructed by the State Secretary and thus refused to interfere.
A large crowd of hundreds of locals managed to stop these ‘robbers’ from further destroying the 3rd bird house and the rest for the time being, but the ‘robbers’ promised to return the next day to finish their duty. Existingly,there are more than 200 bird’s nest houses operating in the Mukah Town District.
In the same afternoon, at 4pm, these robbers sent a copy of the so-called ‘letter of authority’(attached) to the locals, pleading with the locals to allow them to finish their duty. If not, the ‘robbers’ themselves would be in troubles.
The locals rushed to the police station trying to lodge report and seek police protection on their properties but were rejected on grounds that they are not allowed to interfere into this State affair.
The locals also tried to ‘SOS’ to their respective YBs for help but in vain.
The local news media informed that they are intimidated and instructed not to report and publicize the case.
On 15.10.08, almost a thousand of worried Sarawakians from across the state rushed into Mukah town to attend a dialogue session fixed between the locals and the ‘robbers’ in the evening.
Lawyers were appointed to represent the locals in the dialogue together with few hundreds locals and a handful of the ‘robbers’. Throughout the dialogue, the ‘robbers’ couldn’t show any legitimate proof or presentation of valid and legitimate claim of their actions to destroy the bird houses. They could only argue that they are under the strict instruction and order given by the tops to do this and they have to complete the duty whether they like it or not or whether it is legitimate or not. They kept on pleading with the locals to allow them to carry out their duty without hindrance and in peace. They advised the locals that they can go ahead to sue the State Authority later. By hook or by crook, they are forced to come back the next day to carry on the destruction as they don’t have choice even if they themselves don’t like it.
Up to now, at this wee hour, 0230 hrs, 16.10.08, the locals are at a loss, in fear, frustration, desperation and anger, but nothing much they could do. I bet the whole Mukah town residents are now laying on the beds with their eyes wide open till morning. No solution, no help up to now. We don’t know what is going to happen the next morning except to make prayers.
From the investigations and the speculations gathered that a certain syndicated group with links to certain very powerful politicians are eyeing on this lucrative industry in Sarawak and are trying to monopolise it by closing down all the bird’s nest houses in the region.
Not long ago, a subsidiary development company belongs to the State ever interviewed many bird’s house owners inquiring whether they would prefer to buy up new bird’s houses in Eco-parks to be planned and developed by the State Authority nearby and shift their operations to the Eco-parks. It seemed that the local owners’ feed backs and respond were not encouraging as most bird house owners prefer to do it themselves at own choice of locations and of own designs. So, could this be the ROOT OF THE EVIL ACT? May god have mercy on the Bird’s nest house owners in Mukah!

Situation very serious and critical.Unknown numbers of FRU are on the way to reinforce the 100 forest rangers already there having a stand off with 500 local peaceful protestors. FRU expected arriving any time now. Understand more Sarawakians are rushing across the state to join in the protest. Insider info confirms the State Govt insists to close down all BHs in whole Sarawak.Only ECO-PARKS under State Govt are allowed in future.Calling all farmers to use whatever channels or methods have the situations reported and exposed worldwide.




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The court president said no one can sue the govt. No BN MP or ADUN dared to help except Tiong King Sing but in vain.It seemed the Chief Minister is behind. Nevertheless,the PAKATAN RAKYAT under Anwar Ibrahim n Lim Kit Siang already aware of this incident.They are raising the protest in Parliament now.

Mukah is only the starting point with 300 bhs to be shut down within 2 weeks to make way for the State Govt own ECO-PARKS. Next,Sibu,Sarikei and...............................Eventually,the whole Sarawak with no less than 3000 bhs to go.That is for sure. This is no bluffing.This is from the insider's info.


Tomorrow morning is the starting of the 'KILLING' in Mukah.


Latest news,already more than 100 FRU arrived with more on the way from Sibu.If not enough,FRU from Kuching and Miri are already in red alert to move out. More than 100 Forestry rangers already put in place in Mukah for the killing. I don't know they are here to kill the birds or the locals???? Why need so many ????

I am feeling like living in MYAMAR,no longer in a civilized or democratic country,very very sad and very very frustrated!!!!!!!!!!!!.....................No more secure......................

[There is a jungle story that goes this way. A group of monkeys numbered few hundred was living deep in our National Park. Normal rain or shine do not bother them.Even with occassional thunder storm through a night also does them nothing.

Until one day recently,there was an unusual heavy down pour which never stopped for pause and lasted five days and nights round the clock. All the monkeys climbed up to the tallest canopy trees that they could find and hugged together tightly tried to keep warmth.All the other times,they had not much fuss or problem in doing so as normally the rain lasted for only a night or two.But this time,for 5 solid days round the clock,many could no longer withstand the chill.One of them suggested that when rain is gone,we'd better build a permanent shelter.Every monkey noded and agreed.

When the rain stopped and the sun appeared,everybody climbed down and disappeared into the forest in saperate way.
No one remembers about the shelter.

The monkey is our closest relative,my dear farmer friends.[/B]

Latest,the Sarawak Forest Corporation still refuses to back down despites knowing that they do not have legal jurisdiction over private property and also they do not have any legal justification to take action against any private bird's nest house owners. The Sarawak State Govt is prepared to flout the laws and rape its own people for its hidden agenda at all costs with the laws at own hands.

MP Dato Sri Tiong King Sing claimed that he has done his best appealing and advising the Sarawak Authority to abide by the laws and to follow procedure strictly in whatever law enforcement intended. But it seemed that all these have fallen onto deaf ears.

Yb Wong Ho Leng,DAP ADUN from Sibu,3 hours driving journey from Mukah,is now at the scene since yesterday with his DAP members doing their best to help the locals and cheering them up.

Yesterday afternoon session in Parliament,MP Azmin of PKR has raised the concern for the Mukah incident.Again and as usual, received no support from the BN MPs.

The hundred of rangers with the protection from the FRU,are on the standing by getting ready to move in by 1pm,today by trespassing and invading into private properties to destroy the bird's houses.
Their instruction is to demolise all the existing privately owned bird's nest houses in the vicinity of Mukah District effective from 14.10.08 till 28.10.08. There are no less than 300 bhs in Mukah District. Document attached


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Today,the Forestry rangers made two 'kills'.While the rangers were trying hard to identify owners with keys to the bhs to open voluntarily for them to 'rob' without having them to 'break-in' illegally and later face being sued,there was a owner came forward and volunteered his two bhs to be 'robbed'.

Both parties seemed to be very happy.The Forestry rangers have completed their qouta with ease for the day.The owner was also very happy as he confessed that he is not the local and lives very far.He hasn't have time to waste hanging in Mukah waitng till don't know when only the rangers would break his. Since whatever must come,will come.So,he might as well volunteer to save time.

The joke was,after the 'ROBBERY' completed, both parties shook hands and said thank you for the convenience rendered.

All the by-standers and locals scratched their heads and blur-blur.

HaHaHaHaHaha.............the tense atmosphere turned up to be a 'COMEDY.

Believe it or not ? Go and find it out yourself.

Tomorrow could be another joke.............