Oyah..... it's was you, Bro.
I am interested cos it really is cheap and since you have done it then we are safe.........although, the problem is that I think it need alot of water to stay @ 90 % humidity, right? No big problem...........I did call the office for LCM in Kuantan but no one there to receive the call.

I shall PM you on details as the problem now is the cost of building a BH.....so, so expensive. Thank you for the feed back.

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Added on September 9, 2008, 1:01 pmOyah..... it's was you, Bro.
I am interested cos it really is cheap and since you have done it then we are safe.........although, the problem is that I think it need alot of water to stay @ 90 % humidity, right? No big problem...........I did call the office for LCM in Kuantan but no one there to receive the call.

I shall PM you on details as the problem now is the cost of building a BH.....so, so expensive. Thank you for the feed back.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Sep 9 2008, 01:01 PM

Here, much higher about Rm50-Rm55....so expensive and the workmanship bad, too. Maybe, the contractors think that BHs ranchers are all very rich and don't mind paying. They charge cheaper in town with are more expensive to build.......what logic?

Just maybe someone want to start any forum on this or otherwise this forum will be political. I do agree with you on that C has become 3 C citizens after the Indo....... blame it on our forefathers and leaders who agree to the terms and conditions for Independence and also the present leaders too compromising and soft for their own agendas. But then, this forum is only for ranching and aliittle of it OK but if terlebehan, jahanam this forum. Better we stick to bird farming and recently, not much action on this forum and where have all the Swiftlets migrate to? Above are also my own opinions and pardon me for also talking about politic in the forum.

Giving my 5 sen electrical knowledge, you just connect your 3 unit of hydrostats to each floor control by a electrical flow valve. Your electrician should be able to fix the valve at each floor. This way, you need one pump only, once one floor is cool enough, it will shut off leaving the other two running or either way. It a small problem and for the pump, it will be control by the top floor as the top floor will be dryer and hotter of all 3 floors.



Am I right, electrical specialist in the forum...... me, no specialist but a Jack of all trades.....everything also can but never D best.


P/s cheapest of all, buy the humidifiers and it cost yo only Rm350 a piece but then if you can afford it, above is always the better choice. Honestly, I haven't use a mist pump but if it is cheap, then I will buy.......me not stingy guy but neve spend too much on any thing unless need to........like no increase of nests or no bird or poor quality. So far, I am OK lah without spending too much and birds still like me alot.........self boosting and that's me....aha...aha.......aha..sorry lah, a thousand apologies, my friends............. no joke , no fun

Great explaination but there is one question and that is the plastic noozle does not preform as well as the metal type. My friend tried the plastic one and well as the metal type. I love the metal ones like those install at open cafe. cool but not wet. Very expensive so any cheap type but offer same result, do I look like cheap and stingy.

I have heard of some sort of pressure control switch which will cut off power when the pressure exceed the limit. This can help to provent over heating of pump but then my friend once dry run his pump over two days because of water cut but then pump was Ok and only dry. Maybe, he was very lucky. What say you. Seeseng?

Yes, that's the way and everyone are in .....and it good and alive..
It seem to be very complicated with my little brain. I think I will just stick to my humidifiers or just a pump for the 3 floors and then control the whole 3 floors with a humidity control at top floor which is the hottest.................nad the humidity requirement is 70 to 90.
If your top floor is set at 80, the lower floors will be OK. That's my humble opinion and is not of expert's opinion.

What's say the experts?

Today Words of Advice,
Man withPrinciple always lose,
Honest man never get rich
Good man die long ago

Take me for example:
I won a case against JPJ because of Principle ie that is if I didn't do it, I will not pay the compound even if I have to go to court and use few thousand to pay a lawyer for a Rm150 compound. Now they are on my Ass, they want to bar me from driving for 3 months because I accumulate 3 traffic offence during one year which I don't even remember. What???? most of my friends have more than that and they are still driving ................ nowaday, honest good man with principle never pay.


Sorry, I divert from the forum topic but then all works and no play make Jack a dull boy so here play play or a real Joke to share.

Welcome, new rancher and the Sifus here will surely forward to you their wonderful sites and all the other good ones. No problems, right.....Sifus?

Only after going through all the sites,, you may then want to forward other unsolved questions on this forum. Happy ranching and good luck.

Hi NB, as a simple rancher, I will never comment on consultant's work and other SIFU or ranchers may want to comment on it......it's my principle. Just that there are many sites to go to and justified the work done. It is of your best interest to question your consultant since you pay him for the services. I am a busybody but will not interfere with others work..............if there is improvement, and that the consultant is still trying and is still doing his work, he is still doing his job and any interference will not to your advantage and any agreement signed.

General things be consider such as light, temperature, humidity, wind, entrance and other normal set up must be in place. My humble advice is to be there in the BH, use all your senses to determine whether your BH is correct or not......feel it, hear it, see it, touch it and think of it and any other senses you may have...................maybe you can read and see the future too hahahahaha

That's my personal humble opinion only and other ranchers or SIFUs may not think likewise. Well, SeeSang, Swiftbuilt and other SIFUs, ?????????????

50, 50 sharing, my friends and I also like to share if the place is right with the above terms and conditions, no problems. Contact me and we shall discuss joint venture......remember I didn't mentioned it but only support it.

As for qualifications, we never fail in attracting swiftlets and just visit one of our BHs and you will be amazed. But honestly, and I have to be honest with you that if I am you, I will rather do it myself but if you wish to partner with us, we shall be gladly do so...................consultancy not me.

Bro, no intention of any offence if any but just that if any newbiz or unsuccessful BH owners wish to share (on their own free will), we am very happy to be considered and I know that some have problems getting birds at some areas but we may want to take the risk provided the deal is on win-win conditions and on free will and no regret later. We feel that this is cheaper than us having to buy a shoplot. We share to invest in your property but after a certain period of unsuccessful venture, we will repair your place back to its original status without any cost to you. We dare to take the risk as we have the self confidence of success that's why when you ask for credentials ( for the owner's confidence), we must provide them the prove that we are capable to do it otherwise, no one will allow us to share and setup the BH as a joint venture. I consider myself as a clean businessman and opportunity like this will no forgo my eye abut I don't want my future bride to feel cheated later...............as before I put this ring unto your hand and pronounce you " Man and Wife" hahahahaha

The second part is to let the potential partner to have confidence in us.....to allow us to share but I also won't want the new partner to feel cheated if the future harvest is plentiful, he feel cheated and he wants all to himself. Partners must have trust, faith and understanding to have a long fruitful years of cooperation and friendship. We also will need to take into consideration of location, credential of owner and partnership's agreement before we came in as we are also investing hugh amount of money, time and effort. Our money don't grow on tree but on birdnests.

I have known of a case where the owner share the BH with a consultant and after 3 years, the consultant is force to sell back his share to the owner becasue the owner feel that the deal wasn't fair with a monthly harvest of over 10K......the owner created so much problem to the consultant that he has to agree to sell his share, at a hugh profit of course but hugh lost on future earning. Human are greedy in nature.

Above are my humble comments and explanation and pardon me for any unintentionally remarks or bad words used. My engelishi is only half past six lah. Be free to comment and pls. on this forum as others like me also would like to learn and much more if it is from my own mistakes. Appreciated and thank you in advance as I am learning, too.

Be Happy and enjoy Life

Quote you, Can built several stand alone BHs and with that statement itself means that you want to build many BHs in the land, right?
If so, are you going to JV with many partners or are U interested in selling the cake by cutting them into more than 1 acre lot.

Need to know more before I can even PM you on the matter because of insufficient details.

To my knowledge, for all those who have agri land must know that only agri land over 1 acre can build a house and one house even if your land is over 10 acre so there is no way to legally build many BHs in your agri land unless you subdivide it into many pieces, each more than a acre.

Oyes, I am interested to invest but if there are many for Lelong, I will better buy the Lelong one and has all the profits for myself (greedy me) and further more, it is much cheaper . Since there are many BHs around, it couldn't be a bad location, one person maybe stupid, many persons ... impossible and I will take the risk if the price is cheap. By D way, where is the location and I want to see it for myself and make a bid?

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Added on September 18, 2008, 12:59 pmHope that it is in Terengganu or maybe Pahang.....................nothing against other states only that it is nearer to my home so easily to service and to take care of. PM of your HP and the location of the BH if you wish to JV. I will follow up from there...............

This post has been edited by West Wing: Sep 18 2008, 12:59 PM

Before proceeding, pardon me for the little knowledge on cave nests. I neve see a white cave birdnest unless it has been processed. Secondly, 1000 kg per havest is alot and if you are of that category and level, you need not need this forum to sell................tthat's for big time buyers............ wow 1000 kilo @ Rm4K = ?????????? sori about my poor mathematics.

Maybe, someone at the forum may be interested but I only would like some knowledge on cave swifltets like do duck eggs really work and do cave swiftlets really produce white nests which I find it so dificult to do even in BH?

Again, no offence intended and hope you do find a buyer at this forum.............. share your view as cave swiftlets are the same as house swiftlets and maybe we may learn for you.

Welcome new friend from Indonesia,

Really happy for you that you have 1000 kg of nests harvested each month as we here are only dreaming of 30K per harvest per BH. Nobody is saying 500 kg per harvest per BH cos' it is impossible for a normal 20 by 70 BH. simple calculation, 1 kg = 130 multiply by 500 = 6500 nests built by 13000 birds and the BH should has a min. of 17000 birds, impossible for enough space for the birds to make nests and then, the birds cannot fly in to the BH but to crawl in, my friend. Even with a few thousand birds, you already have a orchestra in the house and will smell more better than Channel 5.

Again, above are my humble estimation and of my little understanding of swiftlets and hope it can satisfied you, my friend from Indonesia.

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Added on September 20, 2008, 5:18 pmLet's say from the little that I know and hear, if your BH in town area, you should have sign of nest in 3 months time ( fortune teller West Wing) unless your BH is away from town where you maybe experiencing problems from predators which wil discourage birds from making nests. If so, you need to solve this problem fast otherwise what seem to be a good location will cess to become one.

Ask youself why the birds move to another location in your bird house.......maybe they are from another group of birds and the first batch will return and may not return and it all depend on your BH conditions. Normally, the birds will stay there and if they find it suitable, they will stay building their nests or otherwise, they will move out or to another location if you are lucky. By examine the shit, some sort of tell tale may surface. Apply Aroma only when no bird stay and in your case, there are already birds staying and I see no reason to apply and never enter the BH unnecessary as you will disturb the new birds and scare them away. Further more, you have body smell and they only love male bird body smell only. Swiftlet can fly far away and may not return the next day unless for egg hatching or feeding the chick but surely return in a few days time unless they find your BH uncomfortable. Another tip, only staying birds count and that's mean those entering in the evening. The day ones ore only house checking unless your BH has eggs and chicks.

Personally I never discussed or give advice f when they are still under consultant's care, it is not healthy and bad manners.....hope your consultant don't mind my 5 sen remarks and suggestion. Above again are my little belief and don't mind if any SIFU disagree with me as I am still learning

This post has been edited by West Wing: Sep 20 2008, 05:18 PM

I did mentioned that it is best to discuss bird ranching problem ove the forum as everyone will share and comment if necessary. Here, I shall forward my comment on Bh near successful BH and got birds entering but no nest. One of the reason if your BH is near successful BH and that you are not getting birds maybe the following reasons.
a. Your neighbor BH is pure harvester, meaning they clear all the nests irrespective of with eggs or chicks, therefore no new birds around for new BH. Very selfish and cruel method of ranching and it is unlawful.
b. If they are harvester, the only way is to get their old birds and how? Well, install alot of fake nests and when they harvest and sometime wrongly harvest those about to lay eggs and they may enter your BH and put the eggs into you BH.....from that day onward, they are your birds.
3. Try to convince your neighbor BHs owners over a cup of coffee that it is their advantage to be breeders cos' their birds will multiply very fast. This is the truth as I did it with my new BH and in six months, 50 nests become 500 nests and thanks to my harvester neighbors all having over few thousands. My nearby BHs are my supporters and contributors to my fortune. My Choy San Yeh....

No lies, cos' I have nothing to gain only to share the wealth and my experiances.

Hi Bchinlaw, nice to know you but no time to talk as need to go to airport now.............better late than never......reaaaally don't understand your question....must be getting old and need 10 rest oversea. bye

Hi, First come first.....is it your BH and is completed or is it just one of your many designs. Although, this is a bad BH design but a beautiful design and I would like to live in this house but not the birds.

Just my humble view and many may disagree with me and it's OK and like the Thai man says, Uncle West so am old so sometime right and sometime wrong...old lah, forgetful.

My bird sense tell me that your dog house is wrong because you do not know why you need a dog house in the first place ...and when you reason why, then you know where you gone wrong. Think and you tell me where you gone wrong with the design and why you waste so much space unless you have plenty of money to spend later to renovate again.

I still think that this must be a BH drawing plan only and you are testing our IQ. Pardon me if I am wrong

Begging your pardon, how are your confidence in your BH's success? If your neighbor is successful and having security problems. You are just starting a BH and I just want you to know your priority........Birds and birds are your concern initially and having a very secure BH with prevent birds from entering to and not only the thieve. No thief will take the trouble to enter your BH for this year and I know I certainly won't want to dirty my hand to get to your few nests......

Extreme safety will only be necessary when you find that it's time to do so.........for all you know that you be wasting your money for nothing. When your neighbour is having so much nests, the thief will have no time for you and your BH. When you need it then and be then you will well afford to pay for the extra security. With a few thousand nest, you can well afford a 20K security system and a security guard included just like my friend. Meanwhile, just general safety system will do.

Above are my humble and personal comments and have no bad intention to hurt your feeling.

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Added on October 5, 2008, 2:18 pmBelow is always my own explanation to why one entrance is always better than two or more and worse if the two openings are close together. What we don't want is "sini masok sana keluar" for masok is masok not keluar lah. If ever you want to have 2 entrances, keep the 2 entrances far apart and partition off. This way, you can try on 2 entrances and two BHs in one BLD.and not too windy or bright.

2. Light and wind are the reason we want to control and birds direction to be considered when designing entrance opening and having 2 opening will create a circulation or too windy and the birds will be scared........remember white shit.

3. Entrance is to allow the birds easy inlet but not too much light and wind. Temperature and humidity is another factors to consider and shall not be a factor in your entrance hole design main reason as it is entrance hole.

As always, above are my own opinions and others may think otherwise.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Oct 5 2008, 02:18 PM