Hi to all Sifus, my bh is a 2 storey 20 x 70 & just completed haven't turn on the sound yet, may be this 1 or 2 days time. I DIY & get some infor here & there & also idea that from our friend's ebook. Now I've 1 issue to discuss & perhaps all sifus can give some idea/comment regarding the ground floor partitioning. Currently, i do not put up any partition & it's total open. bird will fly down thru staircase with 4 x 11 opening fr upper floor.

Some said, is good that to partition it to maintain room temp & brightness and as well as the bird in there will feel secured. For the brightness, i've observed & don't think is a issue - consider dark & just only able to see the opening area, but very dim(view from 1 corner at the end, never use any instrument). It's just my thought. Wish sifus can given some idea/comments. TQ.....

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Hi,Seeseng,U r very right.Some good volunteer just confirmed the stupid act of the PERHILITAN by emailed to me the photos taken from LCCI inside the departure.I am putting it up here. This is the main reason for the recent drop in prices in the bird'snests in M'sia only.Looks like it will continue dripping downwards till dont know when unless someone/ones are prepared to do something immediately to stop the PERHILITAN from further damaging this with hidden agenda.Every farmer and those involved in the trade will be hard pressed and crying soon.M'sia 's economy will be greatly affected.I bet u if there is any by-election,there will be Tsunami again to defeat the BN Federal Govt due to this small bunch of clowns from PERHILITAN pulling their own master's leg.BN never learnt.Do u know that 80% of the BH owners voted for the oppositions during last election?

1)In the past,without such implementation,there were many foreign buyers from e,g Indon and China,flew in here 4 to 6 times a month to fight for the nests.Becos of this stupid act of the PERHILITAN and its bereaucratic,red tapes, inefficiency,time consuming procedure and system that made thing difficult and inconvenient for the foreign buyers,thus,it deterred them from flying in as frequent as b4.Nowadays,if they do come,they come in submarine,may be once a month.And provided,your selling price is dirt cheap.If u dont sell,others will as they have their bank loan commitment or their children are studying in overseas.

2) A small group of volunteers are presently investigating and researching into the WILD LIFE ACT,suspecting that the PERHILITAN is circumventing the law and abusing their power by implementing such action by misleading the Minister concerned and jumping the gun for hidden agenda.They think that it is illegaL AND ILLEGITIMATE for the PERHILITAN to do that.They are waiting for certain evidences.They confirm those cases u mentioned are true and there are much more which have not been exposed.

3) This small group has highlighted and appealed to the Federation of the Chinese Chamber of Commerce recently requesting them to help to look into the matter seriously by using their established resources, manpower and machinery.Only the Chamber has the experience,calibre,ability,unity, sincerity and the machinery to do that with the past proven records.YOU may ask,where the hell are the birdnests associations and what have they done? Let me tell you this.Most of the committee members from the numerous birdnest associations across M'sia are of no calibres,useless, selfish and what the Chinese say "small People".Many of them can not read or write proper.For those who are of higher calibre and with better education background,wont want to do the dirty job for own hidden agenda.They only want to hold positions with their name cards printed to impress the newbies so they can act as Con-sultants or at the end of the days get nominated for the Sultans'A to Z titles.This also goes to the self- proclaimed Federation President ,a senior Dato from Kedah who is good for nothing.Just imagine,he was the YB and Exco in Kedah for many years,yet,till today,he did nothing during his tenure as Exco  to convince the former BN Govt to license the BHs in Kedah.In fact,he himself owns the most BHs with no less than 100s in the region.He should thank to this trade as he was the developer one time burdened with hundreds of unable to sell shophouses b4 this trade emerged.He could have gone bankrupt.In Kedah,almost every farmer got harassed and summoned except his.This is the truth all Kedah BH farmers know and angry with.Understand today,he is blessed with lung cancer due to the too many "good deeds" done.

4)Also that,many associations committee can not see eye to eye due to conflict of interest or crash of business.One worst example is the former unscrupulous 1st President of the M""" Birdnest Association.Of course,not everyone is like that,there are some very dedicated,committed,sincere,prepared to contribute and yet frustrated committee from various associations,except that their numbers are very little,isolated and short-handed and inexperienced. These good men should surface, take the lead widen the gene-pool to hunt down each other and keep in touch with each other,put aside their differences and be united and organised with true sense of commitment,dedication to fight for what they sworn as a committee for the betterment for this industry which in the end of the day,their own interest as well.

5) These sincere committee from various individual associations together with those educated readers with righteousness of this blog should volunteer jointly to help out the Chamber to help this industry and in the end help your ownself,hopefully,b4 it is too late. If everyone were to contribute a little in his own positive way or resource and be united with no personal agenda and with one heart,I think those high-handed clowns from the PERHILITAN would retreat.

6) Just sit back and close your eyes for a while,dont fall asleep,start visualising what will happen if  nobody comes forwards and volunteer to help in the situation?Just imagine what will happen to your  already spent few hundreds thousands to the millions of yours or your dad's life time saving of investment?There is a saying,becomes water.Or do u want to take chance to count on luck that some samaritan would be sent by god to help resolve your immediate problem?So,u want to help urself or u want someone to help u and what if,that someone forget to turn up?Who has more to lose?Its either u come out to help urself or u assist others to help urself in so many ways.

6) I understand that The Federation of The Chinese Chamber of Commerce in KL will be organising a seminar cum symposium to discuss mainly this issue besides other birdnest related topics on 02.08.08 Saturday from 10 am onwards.I would like to appeal to this blog readers who are concern of the future of ths industry and prepare to contribute and to help out to help urself,please voluntarily call up the following phone to register to attend and for details.Participation is limited.Construtive proposals and actions expected and welcome.Also,spread the msg to persuade those whom u think would be able to contribute.We are on the same 'sampan'now,every single drop of help is important.Everyone of us can contribute in many different ways to reverse the situatiuon to our favour.Only with UNITY,can we win. No point for all of us talk c*** here and do nothing positive. There is a saying,everybody expects somebody to do it,in the end nobody does it and then everybody hugs each other and sink! Do u want that?

  03-21452503 Mrs Kam, secretary (FEDERATION OF THE CHINESE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE)

  GOOD LUCK

Wah so long the the write out.

I had to print out...hahaha.To james or swiftbuild, how much do you sale your love portion.? I had tried nest tech, like shit. You are not CON-sultant rite as you are given free or charge?

Kelvin, receive your order and product just now, will try out your hormone.My uncle want to thank you for saving his BH last month.Now improve alots.Never mind about what people said, keep up the good work.

Kelvin do not charge any failed farm so those who had failed farm perhaps can call him up. My uncle did and we are happy to know him.

Regards,
Hj

An article borrowed from World of Swiftlet Farming Blog.

Monday, July 28, 2008
Monkeys Still Alive !!!!

It is disgusting to hear that some monkeys are actually planning to locate a place for swiftlet farming in KT.....and then asked those existing farmers to relocate to that area....

Did u smells something here.....monkeys still alive lah!!!

some jokers are trying to profit from this thing....buy a cheap land ( no need to buy...JV wt the monkeys lah then can get free land, build a swiftlet eco park and get those farmers to buy there...can share profits already mah!!! huge one too....)

niamah!!!!

Are u sure u want to wipe out the earlier investment that farmers have invested, lets calculate :

estimated 50,000 farms in malaysia :

renovation works : assume each farm spends about RM30,000 to renovate ....

more Total Invested Amount : RM 1,500,000,000.00 (this is just renovation works).

Most of the farms, i would said, 80% are situated in not so crowded places, and the shoplots if not used for farming, will end up idle..vacant!!!! with no revenue!!!!!!!

moreIf included the shops investment, this worked out to ::::::

RM 11,500,000,000.00
mo
So, did the monkeys do this calculation before talk kok!!!!
I applauded MCA and the federal Govt that earlier, Ong ka chuan had mentioned that the govt allowed ` All shoplots to operate as Swiftlet farm!!!!! '...

So the monkeys please follow lah!!!! sudah dapat kereta bagus ....sekarang mau apa lagi!!!! Lamborgini kah!!!!!
niamah!!!

You say people simply blame you. But have you spare a thought on the neighbours who have to bear with the side-effects of your money making venture?

These people never asked for you to relocate your bird farm there, yet they are the one who have to live with the sound 12 hours per day, every day, every week , every month and every year. No break even on weekends, public holidays or even Chinese New Year.

Do you think the bird sound is music? It is noise, and very irritating noise at that. To you it may sound like music, it may even sound like the sound of money. Once you have your farm up and running, how often do you go there? Once a day? a week? a month?

To me the operators who set up their farms despite knowing that nearby there are a lot of people staying, they deserves all the brickbats and complains thrown at them. They are just inconsiderate, selfish, self-centred and do not care about other people's life and feelings.

Too bad then, too many of these "bad apples" among your so-called fellow bird farm operators are spoiling the image for the rest of you.

Just would like to share some good news from my friends BH. It is really imagine results just after 2nd days of operation with 200-300 or may be more birds are now staying in his new buildings (its a new building but cover with lot of pineapple)      Really feel glad for him with such imagine results.

I wonder all sifus here can also share if you have ever see or your BH ever achieve such a good results. This is really something to cheer with and to motivate all of us and newbie 

If i were you, i will avoid investing in commercial shop lot for BH instead of purposed built BH on agri land. There were indications from the local councils to discourage BH in the populated area and the recent statement from Terengganu MB was one good example. The risk is high if the BH is located in the commercial area cos we never know when the local town council want to chase us out due to political reason.
BH is a long term investment, if you have a choice better avoid the risk which is clearly visible before your own eyes.

An economy small land around 45k/ekar with water and electricity supply, if two ekars need 90k, plus all fees needed already comes to 100k. If an economy standalone BH 3 sty height need 300 k construction cost. total upfront cash in hand need to use is 350k with 50k loan from bank by morgage the land. Wondering how many of us got 350K cash in hand with untouchable for at least 2 to 3 years waiting for the nest harvested, that's also provided you are lucky enough if your BH is succes  

SACRED ROLES THAT SHOULD BE PLAYED BY THE PERHILITAN TO ASSIST THE NEW FOUND GOLDEN GOOSE (THE BIRD'S NEST INDUSTRY) TO GROW AND THINGS THAT PERHILITAN SHOULD NOT DO TO KILL THE GOOSE.Dear fellow farmers,hopefully that this is another helpful proposal and opinion from the report on the industry,researched and written by a pioneer could be published in time to help the participants attending the seminar on 02.08.08 at the FEDERATION OF THE CHINESE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE to deliberate on and to find a solution.

For those attending the seminar,please download the report to be distributed to all the other participants of the seminar for them to have an indepth understanding of the present predicament and situation.And with UNITY AND COMBINED BRAIN POWER AND EFFORT,they should know what is the nest step.

If the present unwise act,suspected with hidden agenda of the PERHILITAN not rectified or stopped timely,the future of this industry in Malaysia looks groomy and all the 50,000 farmers with more to come combined with their dependents and the associated trades,millions in Malaysia would be having nightmares and Billions investments would go down to the drain.The present ill economy of the country will also be further aggravated.

I shall,from time to time,with the consent of the author,publish more of his findings to be shared with all of you.These are his personal experiences, findings,proposals and opinions for the industry.You need not agree with him.If you have a better and more positive proposal,please share with us.Always remember,all farmers are on the same boat,with even some can not see eye to eye.If there is a leak,everyone will have to get prepared to swim and be wet.For those who can't swim,god bless you.

Thanks West Wing, may be i should purchase 2 ekar land at Rompin Pahang as my 1st step, after 3 years when i am rich sure will look for you for big makan before i buy my dream car in cash .......

I had already did a write about it on my blog. Don't waste your money my fren.

It has been confirmed & confirmed & confirmed and research & research that A.F is unable to response to ultrasonic sound as the frequency is beyong the A.f listening capability.

What to do Swiftlet farmers tended and trying hard to be different. So for those who has lots of cash you can buy it and use it  for self sastifaction. As long you feel good!

Read this article from The Star today and wish to share with all farmers.

However, guess this kind of complain will always happen since more and more BHs are now in town or housing area and i guess one day it will become a big issue later.

The recent funny complains which I heard from Southern and Melaka is some residents start to blame "Chikungunya" virus is actually cause by those swiftlet house in town and housing area (actually it is not as this virus was found since 1960 and is a viral illness that is spread by the bite of infected mosquitoes). So, don't expect all residents will just listen to the above fact.

So, newbie to think if your BH to be in town or you may plan elsewhere
Monday August 4, 2008
Isolate swiftlet farms
I NOTE with concern the letter “Unfair to swiflet farms” (The Star, July 31).

When swiftlet farms were started, did the farmers or relevant authorities that came up with the guidelines think of the welfare and health of the public around these farms?

When we mention avian flu, people start to panic because its effect is dramatic.

When cryptococcosis is mentioned, the general public doesn’t know what it is, or what causes it.

In the medical field, it is known that this infection is acquired by inhalation of the fungus Cryptococcus neoformans which is found in bird droppings.

The more bird farms we have, the greater the risk of dispersing such fungi into the air, and thus the greater the health risk to the public.

Manifestation of symptoms from infection may be slow and unnoticed because, when in the lungs, the infection may remain localised or heal.

However, infection may also disseminate.

Upon dissemination, lesions may form in any part of the body but involvement of the central nervous system is the most common, and the usual cause of death.






Generalised meningoencephalitis occurs more frequently than localised swelling in the brain or spinal cord.

Solitary localised lesions may develop in the skin and less commonly in the bones and other organs.

I am not against swiftlet farming but am concerned that these farms are harmful to the health of the people who operate their businesses alongside them, and also to the public who use these services in the commercial areas.

The health of the country is monitored by the Health Ministry.

But so far, the ministry has been silent on this issue.

Can the ministry assure us that the air coming out from these farms are free from fungi?

If not, action should be taken to phase out these farms not only from residential areas but also from commercial areas as well.

By all means have these farms but confine them to a locale away from residential and commercial areas.

Dr GEOFFREY TANG,
Alor Star.

Jemaluang is a good place for swiftlet breeding since no many BH yet.......... can consider to invest if got cheap land with electricity and water supply..............

No matter how good your consultant.......... don't ever pay in advance like me, pay 100 % when he start the bird calling and few hundreds birds playing at entrance hole..... even though he is very very famous. after two month, progress looks good got 1 fully build nest at ground floor, and several bird drop spot. yesterday go in BH at 12 noon the mother bird fly in and don't want to go out when seeing me, so she don't left the nest so i got to left the BH............. But upper floor tweeter sound looks like having interference, like water spraying sound that's why no progress at upper floor very very dissappointing, don't know where the bird gone ?.... Until now don't know what's the problem ?????????? Now still scraching my head.

anyone wanna try to reply to TheStar?

Hi ykltpm,

Met the owner before. Quite humble and helpful guy. Understand he owned many BHs. Think they have MSC status too. Again, these ppl are businessmen. You need to know bit of basic to judge good and not so good consultants rather than total blank. Price bit stiff but again if kungfu good people still willing to pay. Again you also have to know what you are paying for based on bit of basic knowledge than you have. Not sure of his kungfu but understand he learnt from Indo sifu, owned few successful BHs and appeared on tv and papers. IMO, he is good in sound system.

Out of topic:- Generally, a lot of consultants out there also own many BHs. Is there an issue of conflict of interest? Sure nobody want your consultant to build another BH next to yours tomolo. Some consensus need before decide on consultant.