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 V1. Swiftlet Keeping-EVERYTHING About The Industry, Techniques, Tips, Tricks, Complaints etc

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swifbuild
post Jun 22 2007, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(handave33 @ Jun 22 2007, 11:01 AM)
I ask coz i went to one course , n they told me to put only when got nest.....me very suprise to hear that , that's why ask you for opinion....coz you are more expert.... i am not, that's why ask u.... any way...good luck on your new farm

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As u have mentioned Sabah, the property there is not cheap as I know. 3 storeys shop 1.5 million above more expensive than Subang Jaya n the speding power is very low.




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post Jun 23 2007, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(swifbuild @ Jun 22 2007, 12:45 PM)
As u have mentioned Sabah, the property there is not cheap as I know. 3 storeys shop 1.5 million above more expensive than Subang Jaya n the speding power is very low.


Added on June 23, 2007, 11:57 am

Good to hear that yr farm will be opened next week. I can't wait to have mine finished soon. I guess once openned its the time for observation n rectify any short coming. Tell me which tweeter works the best . U have 3 diff in yr farm I m sure the birds must favor one. Have u tried out yr nailer? How is it? Workable? Have try on the cement? How?  I m sure it is fun. Let me know. Since u mentioned yr sprinkle in farms , I wonder prolong usage wouldn't it creates fungus since yr farm is wood type?  One of the reason of successful wood farm is because of ventilation. The walls r made of wood planks therefore there r many gaps that the air can be  drawn to the farm thus cooling it down. The very early farms were the wooden shop lot where ppl discovered nest. Most of the succesful farms were the colonial time wood shop lots. If u observed the photo of succesful farm from indonesia or Sarawak u will discover all ceiling is wood n these pics r taken from wood farms.

In fact 15-20 yrs ago ppl discovered nest in wood shop in Taiping, Pekan, T.Intan,etc. Especially those abadoned banglow with Semi- wood (ground floor cement upper floor wood)

They r some consultant insist on wood farms . I had seen some very successful ones. In Sarawak n Indonesia many ppl do wood farms. This is debateable again.

Like I say inmaterial wood or cement type  , most important is to understand n ability to identify the short coming of yr farms.  " without forgeting skill n Knowledge"
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You survey the city area of course , tried Tuaran( Sabah) , Then tell me.By the way , I am saying Labuan not k.k, Some more you can't buy property by simply ask one property, try more and ask or make research which is available in the net or newspaper. Myabe you are good in Building Swiflet Farm, but had you suceed one alr? If no, then i wait till you suceed and post us some of your work...that would be great is'nt it?

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post Jun 23 2007, 04:15 PM

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works...noi.....no...

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post Jun 23 2007, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(swifbuild @ Jun 22 2007, 12:45 PM)
As u have mentioned Sabah, the property there is not cheap as I know. 3 storeys shop 1.5 million above more expensive than Subang Jaya n the speding power is very low.


Added on June 23, 2007, 11:57 am

Good to hear that yr farm will be opened next week. I can't wait to have mine finished soon. I guess once openned its the time for observation n rectify any short coming. Tell me which tweeter works the best . U have 3 diff in yr farm I m sure the birds must favor one. Have u tried out yr nailer? How is it? Workable? Have try on the cement? How?  I m sure it is fun. Let me know. Since u mentioned yr sprinkle in farms , I wonder prolong usage wouldn't it creates fungus since yr farm is wood type?  One of the reason of successful wood farm is because of ventilation. The walls r made of wood planks therefore there r many gaps that the air can be  drawn to the farm thus cooling it down. The very early farms were the wooden shop lot where ppl discovered nest. Most of the succesful farms were the colonial time wood shop lots. If u observed the photo of succesful farm from indonesia or Sarawak u will discover all ceiling is wood n these pics r taken from wood farms.

In fact 15-20 yrs ago ppl discovered nest in wood shop in Taiping, Pekan, T.Intan,etc. Especially those abadoned banglow with Semi- wood (ground floor cement upper floor wood)

They r some consultant insist on wood farms . I had seen some very successful ones. In Sarawak n Indonesia many ppl do wood farms. This is debateable again.

Like I say inmaterial wood or cement type  , most important is to understand n ability to identify the short coming of yr farms.  " without forgeting skill n Knowledge"
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External and guiding tweeters completed. Will only use 2 x junkyard long range tweeters for outside DK. 1 is 2 feet another is 1' 9 inches. Have to reduce length due to installation problem. Then 3 tweeters at corners of DK base pointing diagonal to entrance holes. Further down is my light barrier room with 3x tweeters to guide birds into nesting area.
For nesting area. Internal chirp fuyooh 1 channel 40 tweters 2nd channel 24 tweeters. Maybe too many but I would like to have the choice to operate at lower volume. Since I read birds like to lepak at tweeter places so I give them more lepak spots lah. At same volume level piezo is louder than coil but coil is more realistic to listen. Since coil tarik more power so I added 100v capacitors to the positive point as condenser.
Now work jam lah waiting for corner boards and hormone from Mr. Phang's company. Paid them 13/6 until today 23/6 still haven't arrived my joint order with fren for corner boards, artificial nests and 2 bottle hormone. My internal tweeters are screw to corner boards so without enaugh corner boards I still have over 20 tweeters hanging on wires. 4 times ordered from them. Every time also delay over 1 week rclxub.gif .
These 2 days raining. Found got roof leaking. Not very teruk but October raining season will become teruk lah. These climb up stiff roof dangerous job must hire professional lor. shocking.gif
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post Jun 23 2007, 05:34 PM

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susah.....no...mo...no..no...susah farm

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post Jun 23 2007, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(swifbuild @ Jun 23 2007, 05:34 PM)
Yr don't u get from Cystal swiftlet there r more reliable most of my stuff arrived next day. Just spoken wth Weihow on the phone. He bought some stuff from Crystal swiftlet too. They have the treated new corner board at rm3.50 each. Try visit their site. U really have many speaker in yr fram,64 of them. whistling.gif One nest on one speaker u already have 64 nests.... rclxms.gif Can yr nail gun spear thru wall?
My only go in 1/2 inches .I tin concrete "susah lah"
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I forgot Crystal also have treated corner boards. Cheaper some more. NT selling at RM3.80/piece. Totally I bought 3 batches from them. The 2nd batch better cutting quality and smell a lot stronger because now they will only process the board when got order never keep stock. So the smell stronger. I only bought Crystal's E-Book but their customer service really good. Very professional. My internal chirp alone 64 tweeters. Guidance 6 tweeters and each long range got 2 tweeters inside. Total 74 for now.
My nail gun also cannot spear through concrete. Wood no problem. Why don't u drill holes on wall and put wall plugs then planks mount on wall with "L" shape steel bracket?
I don't have sprinkler in the farm. I have 2 units of poultry humidifiers controlled by hygrostat. On at 79%RH off at 84%RH. 2 sprinklers at roof top because mine are zinc roof very hot. That's controlled by timer on at 11:30am off at 6pm. In between it run for 10 minutes then rest 10 minutes.

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well this swiftlet farm require quite a lot of capital, my friend's dad involve in it and almost give him a sweat because the 1st few months did not has any bird flew it.
But after that thank god it slowly improved and bird nest getting more and more, the most successful in my area is the one in Segamat, which the abandoned tallest building in there, they are doing well at there, 1 month revenue around 6 figures if i'm not mistaken
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post Jun 24 2007, 12:03 AM

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[listen free cds is given out by UPM this weekend check it out ..... thumbup.gif

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post Jun 24 2007, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(swifbuild @ Jun 24 2007, 12:03 AM)
I spoken to weihow for more than an hour today. He is in mentakab. His neigbour knows exacally what he is using n attract all the his birds.He said there 7k clicked on the forum compare when u guys started few mths back its less than 100. Imagine how many people r observing. U may not know some might be yr next door neigbour who wanted to start a farm n know inside out every details ,every inches of yr farms n know what u r using .They may be yr competitors that put a threat to the survival of yr farms. I hope u understand what I mean. Even the very well know author of swiftlet farming books had advised me not to reveal to details. I guess u know who I am talking about. I suggest that for discussion that u think that it might
poses a threat to u ,its better u email me personaly.That goes via-versa. Pictures of internal farms should only be shown to those u know well. Normal general discussion is ok. There r far too many farm already.
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If weihow's neighbour succeeded in attracting all his birds by knowing what he's been using in his farm is not a good sign. But I'm curious how his neighbour counter attack by knowing his farm. If he can do it mean he's good lah. Competition is fierce out there. We can't afford to make mistake. It's true we shouldn't reveal further more detail about our own farm here.
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post Jun 24 2007, 03:24 PM

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everybody is same,same, all cds also same, just simply build yr fram walet will come one. thumbup.gif

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post Jun 28 2007, 10:09 PM

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hello to all

i am new here... is those pic swiftlets? i got it at cave... poor little thing fall from it nest so i deside to bring home... b,coz the nest is 40 to 50 feet up there...

i try to put at the grossy swift nest at my home so tat it will feed it... BUT when i see the nest owner birds back... it keep bite the baby...

so i am going to try feed until it grow big n fly....

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post Jun 28 2007, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(Richckc @ Jun 28 2007, 10:09 PM)
hello to all

   i am new here... is those pic swiftlets? i got it at cave... poor little thing fall from it nest so i deside to bring home... b,coz the nest is 40 to 50 feet up there...

   i try to put at the grossy swift nest at my home so tat it will feed it... BUT when i see the nest owner birds back... it keep bite the baby...

   so i am going to try feed until it grow big n fly....

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IMO the birds are Aerodramus Maximus. The black nest swiftlets. Judging from the feathers on the legs. It's very kind heart of you to keep them until they can fly. I hope they will live until can fly. They're not easy to handle. You can feed them dead ants or pet shop worms. Feed 5 times a day. Try to let them sleep in half cup shape thing. Sleep time put them together to keep warm. Temperature try not lower than 28. They'll feel safer in farely dark place. If you have problem keeping them alive try to surrender them to Jabatan Haiwan. They might have the knowledge in looking after the birds.

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post Jun 29 2007, 01:29 PM

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let it eat biskut, satay, or curry mee. I am sure they like. rclxm9.gif

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post Jun 29 2007, 07:09 PM

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hi seeseng nice to hear from u n knowing u 2... this is maximus? what the different wift AF?

i did make a fake nest made by white form stick on the wall in my room... rclxub.gif feed with bird worm... need 5 time a day? wahhh i jus once coz limited time for me to feed... sad.gif but there to jabatan haiwan? will there take care them? boleh harap ke? hehe

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how r u? how is ur farm going? must be good then.. thanks for giving so many advice at ngv... u hav any idea how to specific AF when there r flying? what is the different with maximun? colour?

richckc


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misstake ---> but there to jabatan haiwan? ---> put them to jabatan haiwan? hehe icon_idea.gif



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post Jun 30 2007, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(Richckc @ Jun 29 2007, 07:09 PM)
seeseng

  hi seeseng nice to hear from u n knowing u 2... this is maximus? what the different wift AF?

  i did make a fake nest made by white form stick on the wall in my room...  rclxub.gif feed with bird worm... need 5 time a day? wahhh i jus once coz limited time for me to feed...  sad.gif  but there to jabatan haiwan? will there take care them? boleh harap ke? hehe

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  how r u? how is ur farm going? must be good then.. thanks for giving so many advice at ngv... u hav any idea how to specific AF when there r flying? what is the different with maximun? colour?

richckc


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  misstake ---> but there to jabatan haiwan? ---> put them to jabatan haiwan? hehe icon_idea.gif
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May I ask the birds still ok? Actually your main problem is the type of food the bird willing to eat. Mosquitos will be better food but problem catching them. If they're willing to eat whenever you feed. Then chances of surviving is high.
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also can eat nasi lemak....they like too

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QUOTE(seeseng @ Jun 30 2007, 12:59 PM)
May I ask the birds still ok? Actually your main problem is the type of food the bird willing to eat. Mosquitos will be better food but problem catching them.  If they're willing to eat whenever you feed. Then chances of surviving is high.
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the bird is still ok... yeah i agree with u, mosquitos best food for them but thx god the bird accept the bird worm as food... i need to cut the worm to half then put in there mouth... if not cut to 2 there feel it big n split it out... hehehe

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QUOTE(swifbuild @ Jun 30 2007, 02:10 PM)
Hi Seeseng,

The birds r quite big, If the stress from the  enviroment is not too much then the survival rate is higher. I think if he take care of them properly it will survive.

There r not those small chicks with no feathers. That one "susah"  . So how is yr farm? started external sound?
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My farm now 7788 already. Left some electrical works. Turn 3 normal points to timer controlled points and 1 exhaust fan then ready to go after PW sprayed. You got bigger mailbox email? I got some video clips to send u.
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[yr farm is cool

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Hi Swiftbuild,
I haven't received your CD yet. I wonder if you have it in MP3 file you can send me through email. I think we should target the temperature around 28C. I know there are some farms which are successfull with high temperature but this in my opinion is anomali

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