i'm wondering how/who do u sell the bird nest to?... is it to Chinese pharmachy ?

hi seeseng, how are you ? can i ask you ...DK means wat...?  and for your info...your info , together with swiftbuild help me a lot in building my second farm.

Can i ask ...what is the recomended size of entrance hole and the rolving area?

regards
han

Seeseng ,

Don't feel bad if u didn't make the Run way.Anyway yr farm's size doen't permit u to do runway or OR type of farm.The OR n Runway take lots of space normally the bigger the better. This is for people who r loadded with lots of cash n invest in 3 or 4 storey farm where they can have huge Roving n Runway. The have plenty of space to waste, like yr farm if I still could remember its only 18 x something 50 or smaller, if u do OR or Dk wth 15f runway then how much space left for your nesting? Something we have to weight n even. I suppose all u need to do now is to start yr farm soonest n c what the result is from here u can do some alteration.
U will never know perhap yr design in lliked by the birds. Not two of a same design in a same place will attract the same amount of birds. That is why some new farm builded in the area wth thoudsand of birds, wth best consultants ,result FAILED. I guess we ourselves know what is best for our farm after observing n testing it out.

So yr farm without runway is still too premature to say its not good. Wait n see. For DK runway the best is 15f not many people will do that. Because they believe the Swiftlet is a F15 tomcat so no need long runway.

I supposed lots of people r reading our forum. In no time its going to be stiff competition. I

There are these people call the "middle-man" who own or staff of edible bird nest processing companies will come to buy. Some even do the harvesting for you. It's better to harvest yourself and categorise your nests. Price varies a lot among different processing companies.

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Added on June 16, 2007, 1:54 am
DK mean Dog Kennel entrance type and OR mean Open Roof type. There's another outdated type call the side window type. Size of entrance hole depend on the total size of farm and which type you're using. Normally a 25x75 to 25x90 entrance hole can be 4'x4' or more. Roving area until now it's still debatable of its existance. For a 25 feet wide farm the roving area should be 25'x10' or 25'x12' like that lah. The roving area is for birds to fly and young birds learn to fly in the farm. People started to build roving area after observing birds came back to farm through CCTV. It's swiftlets intinct to fly around for some time first best hook up to nesting planks/ nests.

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Added on June 16, 2007, 2:01 am
Actually I only wanted a 4-5 feet runway to cut down more light. You know lah. My farm so small. The light barrier room/mini roving area so small so at nesting area still can see the light barrier room a bit bright. The small run-way will only take up roof top space not inside space.
Oh you spent lots of time listening to chirping CDs. Do you know they're mono or steroe?

A runway is before or after the birds fly thru hole.  It has to be a certain distance for the birds to have pick up.

I tested yr cd (EXTERNAL) Hope no hard feeling ok, Not good the birds don't seem to pay attention to the sound. I discovered that it has too many internal sound this is good for internal but not external. The swiftlet don't really attracted to it. It may not work here but not necessary other place. When I changed to mind the birds fly closed. I changed a few times the results same,verdit reached. Yr cd score very low point.

Where did u buy it?
May be u r unlucky u bought the poor type. There r many poor type in the market but the only thing we can do is that to choose the best . I bring my walkman along to test the sound. I will only buy the good one.

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Added on June 15, 2007, 8:59 pm[Seeseng,

Received yr cd today. Thanks .Tested it our it is more like a external sound as the mating sound is lound n many repetation over covered the chick sound. Chick sound only about 40% I guess this cd encourage breeding. I have heard weihow internal cd the chick sound is plenty. I am very sure this cd can use as external sound I will test it out this weekend n c it can attract birds or not if yes then yr cd is a 2 in 1. Most sound (external) one r mature birds sound on mating attracting young birds to come to mate or cari boy fren n girl fren type. Nowadays the farm grow like mushroom. I went to some area a week ago n re-visit again this week n discovered 8 new farms crazy man. I wonder how the birds going to support this indusrty. It will ended up having so many hotels but limited of guess n eventually all hotels cant cari makan n close shop. Those hotel wth extra features n good services n birds friendly will survive the rest " wong fei hong sau tong" in fact now
its clearly seen already which alraedy happenning, like my place here one of the place P.Indah . farms r more than sundry shops + coffee shop+ saloon all these combined still fewer than birds farm.

It show lots of people got money but just blindly invest. I sincerely thanks these people at least they help the hardware business industry. These r those come n go so that will keep on putting money in this industry. it will generate the economy.
I guess this how the world works everything is 90% to 10% ratio. So hope we r the 10%. ha ha ha ha ha . The well known consultant called me again today he is offering me special price for planking. Rm 3.5 p/sf. "pau ka liow" what a good price. hard sell man!

I also discovered a place here sell guarantee merati bukit at rm 2200 p/ton including transportation in a radius of 50km. The supplier is an old sawmill ,somemore money back guarantee if I not sastisfied. I told him I will check wth FRIM. He say no problem as he has been in the wood business more than 20  yrs.Wah! it seemed the longer I wait the cheaper everything. I think the longer I wait the birds will be less ha ha ha so eventually all swiftlet good supplier cant sell their product anymore so they lelong lah!

hi han ,yes i from Sarawak oso Miri ....wow u measn batu niah town hava alot of birds....are u going to build BH (bird house) at Miri...u at miri now or west malaysia....yes i have farm

I would advise u to give up yr farm at P.Indah.Possible sell it of if there is buyers.
Everybody in Klang Valley knows the bad record in P.Indah. Its a disaster area for farm. I have perssonaly sound test the place. All farms there (10 or more all failed some abandon)) failed hardly can see any birds at 7pm. Some bought it tho was a good buy actually disaster buy.
 
Below were writen/quoted by well known Sifus:
1)   
From my observation in pulau indah and pandamara..most of
the farm have used a wrong cd and method design inside their
farm..some of them use internal cd for external call.and internal use
external cd..most of the farm owner simply invest their money and let
the consultant to do for them( without any research)...those bird like
your sound cause you have use the right bird call...and i also have
experienced to listen to thier bird call cd..most is junk

2)
        Interestingly one of the sifu of swiftlet consultants told me that
amongst all his projects,  the one in Pulau Indah hold one of the worst
records. He quoted to me that after putting on the external audio for the
finished farm, not a single swiftlet came to visit on that day. So the owner
waited and waited ...... finally he spotted some swiftlets after 3 days !! I
have confidence in this sifu that he has the skill to build the right farm
and to get to correct music but it just puzzled us why the Pulau Indah farms
are so 'unusual'

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Added on June 15, 2007, 11:57 am

Seeseng ,

Don't feel bad if u didn't make the Run way.Anyway yr farm's size doen't permit u to do runway or OR type of farm.The OR n Runway take lots of space normally the bigger the better. This is for people who r loadded with lots of cash n invest in 3 or 4 storey farm where they can have huge Roving n Runway. The have plenty of space to waste, like yr farm if I still could remember its only 18 x something 50 or smaller, if u do OR or Dk wth 15f runway then how much space left for your nesting? Something we have to weight n even. I suppose all u need to do now is to start yr farm soonest n c what the result is from here u can do some alteration.
U will never know perhap yr design in lliked by the birds. Not two of a same design in a same place will attract the same amount of birds. That is why some new farm builded in the area wth thoudsand of birds, wth best consultants ,result FAILED. I guess we ourselves know what is best for our farm after observing n testing it out.

So yr farm without runway is still too premature to say its not good. Wait n see. For DK runway the best is 15f not many people will do that. Because they believe the Swiftlet is a F15 tomcat so no need long runway.

I supposed lots of people r reading our forum. In no time its going to be stiff competition. I

I suppose not many people do farms there because of security problem as we know the the local population is only 500k n the illegal one is 3 million.

Its not safe unless u have a good security. Secondly if one can't see or observe or check the farm often then it very hard to control n the success rate is low. Its just like a business if the boss no aroun only comes once a month or once every 2 mths then susah lah go bankkrupt soon.

Thats is y lots of business not only swiftlet farm failed because the owner is always not there.  U can attend to it once a mth provided is has been successful.
Lot of ppl will tell u i only attend to my farm once in 2 mths that is for farm that is already producing few kgs n .Unless u employ some to take care, provide he can be trusted. Otherwise hell sell all nest on yr bhalf.

I have met some very successful farmers who never attend to their farms n knows nothing about farming , this r those so called invester who has plenty of cash n don't know wht to do wth it. They just spend the money n let someone handle it. If there r lucky they make it but if not then they get burned. They r there to make money but totally have no interest in farming n about A.F

Like lighning , which cut of electricity/ Sound Mp3 or Cd jam/ tweeter short/ etc.
Yr farm going to be no sound  , no humidifier for 2 mths how? even u have got cctv direct to internet whose going to fix it do they have the skill? Then u may need to fly there.

So conclussion not feasible unless I am from there n I JV with relative n train them to handdle it otherwise "sorry" chinese got one saying in cantonese "Ng suk Ng chou" 

Correct me if I m wrong, U said yr farm in P.indah has 200 birds? That mean easily u would have closed to 50-100 nests which equevalent to almost a kg then
its consider successful.  Then u shouldn't sell it away. But thru my n some sifu observation  there r hardly any farm there has more than 20 birds.

So that is my humble opinion for far reached loacation

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Added on June 19, 2007, 11:22 pm

That is creative putting diff tweerter. Let me know which place got more shit! Swiftlet farming now like the Kopi Tiam business every wants to do.
Some rich some ok some morgage to do it. At the end the successful ones r the swiftlet products company n the consultant ha ha ha

My advise for new comer " make sure u learn as much as possible b4 u venture this will help u in selecting location, designing farm, using right sound, selecting appropriete products for farm,etc thus help in creating a successful farms"

Don't rush

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Added on June 19, 2007, 11:37 pm
85% of  sound in exchange deal r Junk . If it works nobody want to exchange.
Most owner of cd doesn't know what the sound was? mating sound? chick sound? figthing sound?etc. Most don't have experience to differentiate it.Putting the wrong sound chase away the birds.

Even some cds bought from reputable consultant do not work, I am sure some of u out there agree wth me. There r only 10% workable cd in the market n the good ones r kept as tresure by those who has experiece n know how to differentiate it.

There r so many bad deal in exchange 

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Added on June 19, 2007, 11:56 pmThis was posted on crystalswiftlet by a new member. I think it may be good for those who want to do bird sound test.
Hi swifbuild,

We are not really cash loaded. Just that my partner have a piece of land in Kuala Pilah which we thot of using it. We try to maintain to the lowest workable cost for the farm. We are evaluating to see whether it'll be more cost-economical to build a 2-3 storey wooden farm house or to convert shoplot.

We did a bird-call test at 2 locations yesterday. 1st we had it tested at Pulau Indah about 7:15am. Within 5 minutes there were about 7 birds responded. Then, we continue to monitor it and the max within the half-hour test, there were about 15 birds responded. But they were just circling in the air about 10 feet on top of my car. Never come too near. 2nd test within the vicinity (about a block of shoplots away) at about 10:30am. This time it's only 7 birds responded. Is these 2 tests considered good or no good. I surveyed the area and found that about 20 farm houses within walking distances. I am not sure whether the population of the swiftlets is enough for the 20 farms. Do you think it's a good location to consider to convert the shoplot to a farm?

Another tests we did at a kg. in Kuala Pilah. The 1st test was at 2:30pm. Waited for 1 hour only can see 3 birds responded but circling in the air about 20 feet or more above my car. 1 of it actively responded but never came too close. The other 2 was circling for awhile and left. The 2nd test was at about 4:15pm. Within 5 min, 1 bird responded. This bird came very close to the car. As low as the height of my tyres. We were sitted at the bushes beside the car. It almost crashed on us. In another 15 min time, another bird came but circling in the air far up for awhile only...maybe about 1-2 min and left. There are no farm house in this area yet. If we start, I believe we can be the pioneer. But is it safe to start in an untested area? Only to a max of 3 birds responded...does it consider there is a colony of swiftlets here? Do you think it's the timing issue on the test which is in the noon time where all the birds were away? I am planning to do another test at a different timing this weekend at the same spot. What time do you think is ideal for the test? Will keep you all posted.

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My reply below:

For yr Info P.Indah is a disaster place. Many farms there abandoned. Most farm owner swear by it . There hardly 10 birds per farm. Most of them lost money n never recovered the investment some hundred of thousands other ten of thousands.
I bet u didn't know about it. Most veterans in this field knew.

This is one of the skills that one has to learn before investing their money. Otherwise burned like stock market " not all stock make money some cause u bankrupt". Not all farms make money some spends 1/2 million or more after 5 yrs abandoned. 85%
or more farming failed in Malaysia immaterial how much u spend n which consultant u pay.

If u choose a rural area far from town which has no farm the success rate is 50/50 .U may ended up just having 20 birds . Then predator like owl,eagle,etc. All these chase away birds that is y most farms r in town . But then again in town yr farm has to be the best of the best otherwise how can u attract yr neighbor birds.

For bird sound test the rule of thumb is that below 20 birds the plan of building farm should be discarded. Above 20 barely pass but takes long period to attract birds unless u intended to wait 5-10yrs (no guarantee) .50 above u can confidently go ahead n now its solely relied on how u designed(skill) yr farm. If yr design r not suitable again then u fall back to the 85% side ( failed).

In swiftlet farming always think of the concept of 85/15%.In all angles, 85% farms failed 15% succeeded. 85% consultant "tak boleh pakai" 15% really got the skills. 85% Cd sound r rubbish n Junk ,15% really attract birds n the list goes on.

That's y I said if u r loaded just bang n hope u r on the 15% side.

THERE R SO MUCH MORE TO LEARN b4 u INVEST!

Good luck!

Swifbuild

We are evaluating to see whether it'll be more cost-economical to build a 2-3 storey wooden farm house or to convert shoplot.

SeeSeng,

To add to yr confort see the picture,It is a very succesful farm ,10 Kg per month..
So yrs will be the same trust me my fren. The most important is the skill n understanding of this business n farms. If u have the skill any type will have birds one. Like I said we r all 100% DiY  coz we cant afford to fail. Got money can lah Bang 10-20 times then one time success loh Ha ha ha !

Swifbuild

Wat man u!!!   U really know very little man....  Of couse from the beginning lah.
How can a Hotel open for business got no air-cond? U think u wan to stay got no air-cond.

U better buck up yr skill otherwise it not easy man. U have more farms then lots of people n should learn more.

U r right yr home town then should start faster. But becareful in these rural areas some of the macro r very hard for us to control. I been to Sabah many times oh.
OWL, eagles, musang, Gekko very big one the Boneo species 12 inches man .One time can easily swollow 2 eggs at one go. As we know musang n gekko love eggs .Musang love eating birds especially at night.These two animal active at night. It is uncommon to find gekko n musng  in yr farm because yr swiflets n eggs r source of food. As we know animal build nest near to food sources.

with this happening yr swiflet will never dare to come back to yr farm.Good luck!