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 V1. Swiftlet Keeping-EVERYTHING About The Industry, Techniques, Tips, Tricks, Complaints etc

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post Jul 7 2008, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Jul 6 2008, 01:50 PM)
Real F with some consultants.....Don't like to mention names here. So, new to be millionaire or sucker, beware of those so called consultants, fly by night type. Get quality adviser.

Else, you end paying so much, some up to Rm60K!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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No harm mention their names here if they are really F T.... hope fewer newbie kena treat as Shui Yu.............. doh.gif
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post Jul 29 2008, 05:00 PM

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Dear all sifu...........

Any recomendation for installing cctv for one month old BH with got one half nest ? Need to find out the budget first before decide which one is more suitable to use. Thanks all sifu............
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post Jul 30 2008, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(seeseng @ Jul 30 2008, 02:36 AM)
In case you're DIY you'll need these stuff to set up a CCTV system.

1/3" CCD 24LED IR bullet shape Camera with DC Adapter - RM200 each

DVR 4 channel with online - RM800 without HDD  (Without online RM600)
DVR 8 Channel with online & remote control - RM1600 without HDD (Without online RM1300)
DVR 16 Channel with online & remote control - RM1800 without HDD
RG59 Cable 100m - RM80
Blue white 2 core wire 75m - RM20
A cheap TV
For online view you'll need a Streamyx line + Router modem that support Dynamic DNS
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Dear Seeseng,

For online view how much is the cost for streamyx line + router moderm that support dynamic DNS ? Is the system can save the view data for past one or two weeks as a back up ? DVR 16 Channel with online & remote control..... that means one moderm can support 16 ir camera ? will it affect the quality of the view ? and what is the remote control function ? Thanks in advance notworthy.gif
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post Jul 31 2008, 04:35 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Jul 31 2008, 04:20 PM)
To live a life is so difficult  now and will be worse in the future esp. for the ones like us who are neither B nor M. You need to be smart and see the future and depand only on yourself for if you fail, nobody will going to bail you out, cos you are neither of both. They can have their loans wirtten off but you can't and so you have only one change to make it good, else you are down and there will no second change to climb up.

Be wise, never invest all your wealth into one area, invest only what you can afford because your excess money became smaller and smaller each day and it is so fast that your FD hardly cove 10% of the inflation. Lucky that I have invested in BH 6 years ago for that I am able to sitting chatting with you or otherwise with my 100,000 life insurance can hardly buy me a decent place to stay when I retire 10 years from now.

Palm Oil prices has gone too high and that to invest now is rather too expensive and opportunity now is to convert your small land to BH and with small investment, you may have a opportunity to retire in style. No hard work, simple clean up job and picking nest that even a 70 years old can do.
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An economy small land around 45k/ekar with water and electricity supply, if two ekars need 90k, plus all fees needed already comes to 100k. If an economy standalone BH 3 sty height need 300 k construction cost. total upfront cash in hand need to use is 350k with 50k loan from bank by morgage the land. Wondering how many of us got 350K cash in hand with untouchable for at least 2 to 3 years waiting for the nest harvested, that's also provided you are lucky enough if your BH is succes rclxub.gif
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post Jul 31 2008, 09:46 PM

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[quote=West Wing,Jul 31 2008, 06:24 PM]
I meant that if our grandfather or father left with a vacant piece of land of just over acre which is more enough for this industry. Instead of wasting it, use it for this industry.................Build a building cheaply with technology like LCM which is strong and cheaper. Get a loan from bank pertanian or other bank to build this BH, which you can get much more than you though........................................well, you will understand when you are in this industry................planting some fruits trees and vegetables around it. When you are free and need some peace, go to your BH and watch your Birds fly out and in, cycling around while you and your family have a picnic under the shade. Your children will love such outdoor activities so cheap and relaxing for people who stay in big cities. That's life, my friend and you live longer and healthy.


Get a loan from bank pertanian or other bank to build a standalone farm is not easy......... Asked many bank already, including bank pertanian but untill now still don't have any clue how get these loan.......Any recommendation for newbie like us ?
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post Aug 1 2008, 08:24 AM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Aug 1 2008, 12:16 AM)
Tongserseng,

Me, I don't have problem getting loan from Banks and they offer me 80% of the total cost of buildiing but as from bank Pertanian, I read from Harry 's website....he maybe able to enlighten you on the matter. I am going to build another soon if I get to buy the land and I already get consent from the bank's manager if ever I need a loan. So, I don't understand why you find it so difficult nowaday to get loan.........

What I don't see is that big town guys like to buy big fast car spending over 100K and not able to buy building which appreciate in price and many folds if the building is a successful BH. Don't change your car and you will able to invest in BH and 3 years later, you maybe able to buy your dream car in cash.
I did and I am proud to say that I did it in  3 years so can you. Sorry if I sound  boosting but that I want to share my good fortune to others and I want others to share my God's given wealth; I am not selfish and want you to try and if you are successful, just remember me and pm me when you become rich as I will be very happy knowing that I have help another fellow man.
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Thanks West Wing, may be i should purchase 2 ekar land at Rompin Pahang as my 1st step, after 3 years when i am rich sure will look for you for big makan before i buy my dream car in cash ....... icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Aug 6 2008, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(khlock @ Aug 6 2008, 11:02 AM)
Is they hunt the food there ?  or Drink water there ?  Because my friend also saw so many swiftlets fly around the top of the pond at Loji Air at Kg. Wak Salam, Jalan Jemaluang, Mersing every evening.    rclxub.gif
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Jemaluang is a good place for swiftlet breeding since no many BH yet.......... can consider to invest if got cheap land with electricity and water supply.............. thumbup.gif
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post Aug 6 2008, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(khlock @ Aug 6 2008, 01:13 PM)
Yes, there are a lot of agriculture land want to sell, one is 36 erka @ RM48K, 25 yrs oil palm, its is like a bukit, just infront of Loji Air, besie is jungle, 500 meters away to Sungai Mersing.  nod.gif
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Any smaller land around that area available for sale ? Let's said......... around 5 to 10 ekars may be could consider as the budget constraint. drool.gif
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post Aug 15 2008, 02:25 PM

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Hi all frenz.......... smoother cctv at http://www.ciseye.com/LiveDemo.html and look for CISEYE Pan/Tilt/Zoom IP Camera || CIP-300 Series live demo........ please give comments........... on the product rclxub.gif
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post Aug 18 2008, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Aug 17 2008, 12:35 PM)
Lesson no.1

Just a friendly warning to any newbie wishing to enter this wonderful world of BH ranching.......beware of nice sweet talking consultants.......some newbizs have already got bitten. After you pay them, you and BH end up high and dry.

One of them is KH as you all know..........a besok rusa type( today tomorrow type)  and as a introducer, I end up doing his work  and  as his absorber.. so, pls. really be careful. Get a consultant you know or thru your friend, a introducer for at least you can kick the ass of the introducer like me.
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No matter how good your consultant.......... don't ever pay in advance like me, pay 100 % when he start the bird calling and few hundreds birds playing at entrance hole..... even though he is very very famous. after two month, progress looks good got 1 fully build nest at ground floor, and several bird drop spot. yesterday go in BH at 12 noon the mother bird fly in and don't want to go out when seeing me, so she don't left the nest so i got to left the BH............. But upper floor tweeter sound looks like having interference, like water spraying sound that's why no progress at upper floor very very dissappointing, don't know where the bird gone ?.... Until now don't know what's the problem ?????????? Now still scraching my head.

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post Aug 18 2008, 04:42 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Aug 18 2008, 03:55 PM)
You also pay, poor you and now you need someone to help you to do a damage report on what went wrong...........so much money spend, maybe some Sifus here can give you some tips on your problems if you provide them with better understanding of your BH. I called this "Case Study" and to do this, you need "Case History"........................................maybe, some monies needed, to buy and renovate abit..............but most importance of all is the result.  I only give my humble 3 cent suggestion  but no Sifus........so I pass the ball to the grand masters.
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Wondering anybody encounter this type of problem before ??????? ground floor and upper floor tweeter are connected to the same MMC4488 sd card player with two output channel. ground floor tweeter sound wonderful and clear, birds staying no problem as birds drop got significantly increase......... already have few big roti prata size........ But upper floor sound very not clear, the sound seem like air leaking sound when we pump car tyre at petrol kiosk. All the birds fly in directly go down to ground floor without stop at upper floor. Hope previous upper floor birds also go down to ground floor instead of go to my neighbour BH, other wise rugi very very big because of that stupid interferences sound....... called already the consultant, don't know when he able to come down to solve the problem. The longer he drag the time the more longer time need to attract bird stay at upper floor cause new bird hardly go down to ground floor directly. vmad.gif
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post Aug 19 2008, 08:35 AM

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[quote=SAMGAN,Aug 18 2008, 09:26 PM]
MMC4488 has 2 channels and one is for external and the other internal.If you use SD card which is downloaded 2 side then only proper to use 2 channels.If your SD card only downloaded one side,you should use only the external channel.Try join both floors and connect to external channel and see if that helps.If still noise,could be problem with tweeters.cheers

Thanks sifu will try it after 2 weeks time as BH can not visited regularly, hope it will help out notworthy.gif

But sifu how to know whether the SD card is downloaded one side or 2 side ? If downloaded one side how to download it to 2 side ?
thanks in advance many many notworthy.gif notworthy.gif

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post Aug 20 2008, 08:52 AM

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Dear Sam,

Thanks for your personal message, otherwise until now still don't aware the function of the player that i am using............ icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Aug 21 2008, 10:45 PM

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post Aug 22 2008, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(seeseng @ Aug 22 2008, 11:19 AM)
Posting complaints here got response / feedback pretty fast eh? tongserseng.  icon_idea.gif
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Give him another few days time for him to finish up the outstanding works and tweeter repairing............ may be will post again if he still besok lusa.....................until make me frustrated !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! sweat.gif


Added on August 22, 2008, 11:50 am
QUOTE(ykltpm @ Aug 22 2008, 11:24 AM)
Hi, Everybody,

I am a newbie in town. Recently, I come across a no. of billboards advertising an ISO 9001 certified birdnest consultant/contractor, Yenzheka, all over in Klang. Thinking of engaging him, any advice ?
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No matter how good the consultant, they are all business men, even you can not trust ur own self how u expect to trust the business men.........

juz make the agreement during his quotation on the timing and material used for the BH if possible. Ask those newbie whether the result of BH done by him is good or not ???????????? check any comment from them and what is the pro and contra .........
take care and be careful when dealing with these consultant especially when u doing the payment, make sure hold some money before the works is fully done............

note ..... port klang area is already air polluted better check the quality of the BH nest there before u decided to built ur BH over there otherwise end up ur nest nobody willing to eat and buy ...... cool.gif

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post Aug 23 2008, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Aug 23 2008, 12:11 AM)
Bro,

Not all consultants are bad................................read their titles carefully.......it's consultant and not CON sultant lah. Do engage a consultant if you need one but be careful to pick the right one. Need help after that, you may refer to the forum and most of our SIFUs here are generous in giving their comments and advices when appropriate. All Free and here you too need to be careful also, we all are just human.

In my little experience, it is more difficult to build a new BH and it is better to buy an existing one cos' it is easy to find fault in existing one and you do have more confidence as the BH has already some nests. If you have a empty Shoplot or land, go ahead to build new BH as you have all to gain and m=nothing to lose.............................even no bird during the first few months. trust me if your location is goo, there is no reason to fail.

Again, this is only my humble opinion
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cheers West Wing icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Aug 25 2008, 05:34 PM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Aug 25 2008, 12:40 PM)
To all Sifus
I will be building a 20' x 70' x 11' x 3 storey BH on a agri land soon but still undecided on the design and lay out of the BH.   
I would appreciate if you can share your experience and expert opinion in this matter.
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20' change to 35' if possible icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Aug 25 2008, 09:40 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Aug 25 2008, 09:06 PM)
I with you...................need not be 20 feet wide as you are not building it in town, then it shall only be 20-24 feets at the most. In your AG land, make them wider so that you can renovate easier and more space for the birds to main main lah.

How big it all depend on your budget and as for me, I rather have 2 normal ones than to have a big 60 by 100 BH . A normal 2 floors BH  when full can have more than 4000 nests. What's more can you ask for? So, if 2 BHs, the total shall be 8000 nests if both are successful. Two chances is always better than one. Let say, if one 35 by 70, 3 stories BH if full may extend sideway to make it 70 by 70 later and that I would like to see. Wah...over 100 kgs of nest value at Rm4K......what do you get per harvest?

A dream?.. all millionaires all started with a dream and I hope you success.........
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So far in Malaysia, no standalone BH are full with nest as compare to shop BH, so don't put too high day dream lo............... May be ur next generation no need dream but can have the full BH nest ..... rclxm9.gif thumbup.gif

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post Aug 28 2008, 08:30 AM

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QUOTE(kseng_99 @ Aug 28 2008, 07:21 AM)
Swiftlet farming is not as easy as you think any more , most of the people simply jump to this business without thinking three times because after hearing people collecting money just as simple as digging the gold and of course most of the times we heard people say once we got a pair to enter that it will be enough slowly it will increase but How slow????

In now days if you still wish going in to his business , my friend I honestly advise you to think for 5 times before going in and I have some experienced would like to shared a long . I have a friend who already in this business for almost 20 years of course he is very successful most of the times people just wish to steal his bird from his house and 8 years ago a guy who is know as a consultant and people just called him ‘Bird King’ also think like this he started to build his bird house beside my friend building and he fail to attract even one pair of bird at the beginning so modification had been done for almost 6 times he renovate his building and finally until today he only get about 100 plus nest so he goes out and tell people that he manage to get about 10kg of bird nest per month. How I now his production because my fiend worker just enter his house before coz this guy who claim him self as the ‘Bird King ’ ask my friend worker to give some idea on his bird house.

There are a lot of this story repeat and repeat most of the time people do get some bird or maybe their bird house just stop to increase after  few years may be it just settle down at 100 plus nest that you will faint coz by a house for only 100 nest you are hard to ‘cari makan ‘ than if you are lucky enough than it set down at 1000 nest that I wish to congratulate you but trust me the percentage to archive this is very very low

So my friend if now days you wish to build the bird house for your children or grand child than you may go ahead but remember you must have enough money to do modification if your bird house are not successful don’t spent them once ,If not you will really suffer ,so think few times I am not here to afraid you but some times don’t simply heard people saying how good in this business but you still have to know the risk in this business. The money where you already putting in is hard for you to earn back .Think twice before going in besides if your self really have that kind of technique and knowledge about this bird , if you need other people hand so your money will be going out like water so is better don’t go for it try find other way to invest beside this field because it is now very hard for you to get a pair of bird.
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Partially agree......... but any better suggestion for the better investment ? rclxub.gif
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Dear fellow newbie........ Anybody interested to buy second hand full set Eka Walet Books ( 29 pcs books with photo attached ), Cost of the books is RM 1345.00 when i buy directly from Eka Walet Indonesia early this year. Any newbie interested please PM me and give me your email address so i can email you the photo of the books. ****** The highest offer will get the deal ********** Thanks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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