That's the same mistake I made with the first model. Mine 2 dead bird skeleton inside. Please cover the front part with aluminium mesh. For mine I use those alu mesh for chicken farm. If you don't cover it will happen again and again.

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Added on September 5, 2007, 10:08 pm
My roving appear to be too narrow. I'm planning to remove the partition to make smoother flight path for the birds after reading Pak Hen's book. 8 directional tweeter is very effective for bird call test but I don't think it's suitable for the farm. There are many birds play around it and many hang themselves on it. But for those enter the entrace will find it attractive then U turn back to play outside. 2 tweeters at the "lips" of the entrance hole enaugh. Then at 2nd level guidance tweeter can put more.

I have the option to totally shudown the 8 directional. Another option is use a separate amp and player only for the tweeter with a seprate timer. Make it auto on and off every 10 minutes. With this method still can lure birds from far for 10 minutes then the guidance will do the job of luring inside when the 8D is off. More tweeters inside the nesting area has the advantage of chirp sound can fill up every inch of the farm with lower volume level. Volume too loud birds will have problem with its echo-location.

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Added on September 11, 2007, 1:37 am
8D tweeter is fine for farms in swiftlet central to lure birds from nearby farm. Since nothing blocking its sound path so no point setting it loud. The point is when the birds come near to it your inside farm guidance tweeters must be louder than 8D otherwise they'll keep playing with 8D.

That amp come in few types of colour buttons. Same model may have different colour for the knobs but features all same. Upper 4 knobs are Bass, treble, balance and master volume. The seperate knob next to the 4 is Delay. Then small button for channel A and B input changer.  Bottom 5 knobs are Echo, Mic bass, Mic treble, Mic1 volume and Mic2 volume. Then the 2 jacks are Mic1 and Mic2. This amp I just bought another unit for sound test at a site 2 days ago. A friend joint venture with land owner to build a standalone farm at an abandoned fruit farm asked me to be the consultant. No other farm at all at the area but can see AF every where. The place is a vegetation area for AF. First 30 seconds sound test already can see AF circling up there. Due to many trees birds only cirle above tree top.

Thanks for the info on the AMP. The stand alone farm is much better than the shop lot type. At least you don't have to worry about someone starting one next to your farm.
Its not worried about our birds going to the next door farm.If the joker next to you knows nothing about farming that will be a big problem.He may simply blast chirp sound that are poor quality, Fixing antenna here and there, banging here and there during renovation without consideration. At the end both ended-up loosing birds. His existance will chase away birds. That's why now more n more people setting up stand alone farm.

Standalone farm do have many advantages. Especually a pioneer farm in few KM radious. There're first day open sound same night got birds stay overnight case.
People choose urban area to build mainly because land price is cheaper. Vegetation come second. Low profile if the site is a distance from the main road. Since there's no guidlines from the authorities on how we should build our standalone farms, building it can be very cost flexible. Lots of cost can be saved from buiding 7-8 feet each floor only. Walls without cement plaster, some plater single side some no plaster at all. Lightweight bricks for 2nd floor onwards wall etc.

In standalone farms people can't play with your bird. There's one real life case where a 4th floor new farm next to a 2 floor old farm which is already fully populated. The owner stay at the 3rd floor below his new farm. One of his "copyright" method to get birds into his new farm is open his 3rd floor window, spray shelltox into next door 2nd floor bird entrance EVERYDAY!   

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Added on September 14, 2007, 8:28 pm
Delay knob is useless for farming. It's mainly for playing audio with lots of musical instrument sound. Adding some delay would add a little realistic feel to it.

Advantages of urban/ulu land standalone farm:
Cheaper land and land not suitable for business usage anyway.
Lots of vegetation and no competition.
Low profile (very important)

Kent,

YES! its pancing. Af farming is just similar to fishing. 10% of the fishermen get 90% of the fish and the rest 90% fishermen share the 10% fish. Some spend thousands on latest and branded fishing equiments (Shimano) ended catch less fish than those using China made reels or hand lines. Some paid thousands to Boatman to take them to best fishing spot ended up catching selar or kembong.

Seeseng,

Thanks for the info

Hi Everyone,

I love to see this discussion group cover such an extend. I am a newbie in this, only 2 weeks knowing such a wonderful business to own. I am particularly impressed with some of the success stories.

I am from Kulim. Anyone from Kulim or near the northern region? Sorry for not able to finish the 22 pages of historical mails, too much to digest with daily work commitment.

Regards,
Frank
Kulim, Kedah

You should ask "Which state no swiftlet farming?".  I can answer you. NONE! All states got people do farming.  Is there other races doing swiftlet farming besides Chinese? Of course. Nowadays Tom, d***, Harry, Ali, Ah Chong and Ramasamy also do swiftlet farming.

This is 2nd unit of the same amp I bought. Just brand name different. The big round coil weight most of the whole thing. 2.2kg. Very simple inside. Lots of empty spaces. Top and bottom of the cooling fin got ventilation.

This is the Amp that  has a fan attached inside. Its cooling coil has 13 fins.It looked big and thick. It uses the Block transformer and yours uses the coil type do you know what the significant differences?

I noticed yrs got fuse and do you know what are those cubes (white color)at the back of the cooling coil? Mine has 2 yrs has 4. Ya, how much you bought it for?

Ya what is the Watt of your Amp?

20x45 still very short sighted.Buying a land averagely it needs 8mth to yrs++++ to get the name transferded. jabatan tanah takes time. In any even if there  is a problem the land title can't be transfer be ready yr farm to be demolish. Unless that is yr father's land then ok. Buying land have to be careful.Some land take more than 2 yrs to settle. Unless you wait till all transfers are done then only build yr farm. That would be few years from now.

Too ulu , be ready yr farm break in all yr nests CURI.(security problems) The birds will never return any more.
Too ulu elctricity and water are problems. .

Seeseng,

The  www.pearlnest.com consultant is taking your photos and our SMC club pictures as their references. I could said all pictures from that site are not theirs.Owners of the pictures can sue them for copy right. With this kind of works if anybody would trust them and let them handle their farm I bet that person is a pure FOOL. But bare in mind our of thousand it is not surprise there few FOOLs.

They don't even have their own pictures to show as references so how can they handle your farm. I think if I want to start a web and post my own picture ,it will be much attractive.
What a joker corn-sultant.

So far not receive yet. Few days ago Kelvin sms me said sent to wrong postal address. Ask me to give him my email.  Maybe the e-book sales too good until no stock leh. 

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Added on October 26, 2007, 8:37 pm
You yourself should make sure the bus will take you to the right destination before you buy the ticket.  Not after bought the ticket and step inside the bus only find the bus is just a merry go round. It's a big investment business.

Wahlau EH! I went for fishing trip for 2 days the forum page jump to 3 pages. "Kau lak" man.

Welcome everyone for making this forum interesting.Thanks all Bros. I strongly agree those  who wnt to ask question make sure its a good question as u know Stupid question get stupid answer.

The gov officer had a perception of all bird farmers "tauke Cina walit all kaya kaya" .Every body will hear wah 1kg at least 3k then if 10kg then 30k a month.What they don't realized that more than 85% failed mean not even 500gm amonth(or non) those successfull one have few kgs. The Chinese Daily always shows about how good is this business but they never mention the dark side.

So they will sharpen their knife to cut cut you deep deep lah. Sometimes also can not blame the gov officer  lah because some farmers open their farm and try to show off to the entire town that they have a farm. Their sound speaker is like concert can hear from 3km. They want everybody to know also they wan the council to know they have a farm. This pure stupid fool. Can't blame them becasue they don't understand and don't have in-dept knowledge of swiftlet behaviour .They know nothing about frequency "khz".

Any living things in this world which can hear have their own frequency respond which hepl them to communicate be it a bug or a horse  or a birds. They only response to their own frequency, any frequecncy beyond their listen resposes  rage they can't hear them even the volum is at max. One may tuned up his AMp to the max the swiftlet may not responese because the sound recorded is not accordance wth the swiftlet listening frequecy. So sometime u may see y Farm A sound so lound got no birds and farm B sound is so sofe but all birds palying their.

Like I have mention b4 in Shah.Alam their are two Farms sandwich the Council this means directly next door both left and right .If one have no experience they will never knew there are farms there. The sound is so soft only you could hear on Sunday morning where there were no activities that creat sound like cars. The only thing that it can't hide is at 7 pm hundred of birds circleling on top waiting to enter the farm."simPle' NO COMPLAIN NO TROBle"

HI,

Thank TPE994 and Gohchua for the info. do you know its cost about how much?

Arong