I am not saying or confirming anything but just advice newbies to be aware and be careful. When need advice, seek friendly advice first and never pay all in advance and always be smart.

How to be smart, and if you ask, then you are not smart. I tell you first, then you still remain smart, ok. Seek confirmation from friends like in this blog or around your area and you shall decide on your own not your so called friends because you didn't know us or do you really know me lah. Ask a lot of questions like how our BH should be, entrance, why here and not there ( remember that you are paying for it) and after then, you know what to expect and even you fail, then you are also partly to be blamed.

We advice, you decide for if you fail, you are the only one to suffer and sad. Really, I find that guys in this forum are really helpful, so ask swifbuild or others and they as usual will help.

Oh my dear,

Why just give up so easily..............we boleh bukan! Chiken farming very tiring and swiftlet shit is always better than cicken shit lah. All for all, swiftlet farming make faster money and no bird flu............but

One thing for sure chicken farming is something like swiftlet farming.

One, swiftlet return to its breeding place all the time just like chicken. So, once they lay their eggs there once, they aften return to their nest or place even if you have removed the nest.
Two, like chicken, if you take away their eggs, they will just lay more eggs.
Three, they have also bird brain, so don't worry. ha ha ha

! stone 2 birds, in BH we get 1 nest 2 birds and no stone....... and a little risk in BH investment but the return is good. The best investment so far........and the capital really not that high comparing to other investment.

To know basic knowledge about building and maintenance of BH, there are so many websites, forums and free consultations provided. If needed, you may even enroll in one of the course then you can talk like a consultant already ha ha ha. Basic knowledge is where you and everyone start, but we are human not swiftlet and we try to understand why and how they do this and that from experience and mistakes and you get all these for FREE.

To know more, go to any website, and swifbuilt's site is one of them and Harry's blog is also good and many many others. Nothing in life can be guaranteed 100% and if there is any, let me know ............... FD only give 3.5% and inflation is many times more lah so if you keep your money in Bank, you lost more even after getting the interest. As we talk, building a BH now will cost you alot more. Even the land cost twice since last year, shit!!!

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Added on July 8, 2008, 6:24 pmAnyone know any about the current price of the unprocessed Bird nests. Here, the middleman say that the price is down about 10%. 3 finggers A type only Rm4400 max. and corner type is 1K less, what about your area?

If price keep dropping, I will have birdnest for B'fast, Lunch and D'ner. Healthy living...........

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jul 8 2008, 06:24 PM

Great Idea, yes have another set of sound system for the lower floor. This way, you can control the sound on the lower floor better and another idea, you may have different sound for the lower floor. Using this method, you can search for new sound without disturbing the unper floor and you can control the volume better. Better sound management on your BH.

Hope to hear good news from you on your development. Write down all you have done, and what happen and then we shall see.

Everyboby cool it, cool it ........................Harry, James and the rest are all great SIfus giving ideas, their ideas how to be successful in BHs farming............. So, read well but think well and take what you think are right. We all are not stupid lah. So, cool man.

If they sell and you buy then you have the right to inform us of the poor result. So, all Sifu. try to be honest in your blogs and make good money and clean money and we all will appreciate you for it and we will forever look up to you for advice. Although, your blog is just like a diary, but a public dairy, making a fool doesn't make sense.

I found that Harry, James and other experts write well and really provide a lot of good and useful informations. They share their experience and other selfish keep to themself. Readers should be blame for all informations to be 100% correct and 100% right. Never take for granted that all to be right.

Remember that every BH differ and methods work in one BH may not work in the other. So there is no one way to solve everything or otherwise, all Sifus will not teach you how to build BHs because they are all Billionaire because all their BHs produce ten of thousand of nests.

I have a successful BHs sold off over Million and another one doing so good that I really don't believe my luck but that doesn't make an expert; just that I am just LUCKY. I didn't have any Sifu but just think like a swiftlet. I will press my luck with another two more BHs but will they be as successful as the first two. I will look up to all Sifus out there for guidance and help.......so, thank you in advance......... Jame, Harry, Pak Hen or all Sifus for kind assistance render in future.

Really, I don't even know who Pak Hen or do I get his name correct?
I don;t like to read malay so I normally avoid reading malay site.........but then I find Harry blog nice to read, right or wrong that you need to check it out. Remember, I don't Harry either but may I like to meet him one day and discuss about the birds and the nest and not bees.

Mr. Harry did let you know that if you don't like his blog, you need not view and that he's right but then, at open public blog, you asked to be read.

Readers, pls. be fair, we should comments faily on any blog but never criticize the writer for he was just writing what he think are correct but maybe wrong so you don't follow blindly fo you are not blind.

Readers, to bring them to the attention of other BHs friends are good intention but must be good intention without hidden motive.

If you want to fight it out to know who is better, start a new blog to determine who is the greatest of all...........and it will benefit all and I for sure will view it till the end.

Otherwise, refrain from criticizing, just comments and give your view and maybe your better solution. We, all BHs rancher will appreciate your concern and advice.

OIC, Pak Hen is Chinese and by D way, Do PH speak chinese? Must one day meet up with these great men (Swiftlets) like Mr.H of Indo, Mr. H of Mal , SS, James, SB and all. Great Men that willing to share their knowledge with newbies. O but look young man like me have no more brain space (hard disk space) to input new idea but really love to read new tech or otherwise brain kaput. High Tech are for the newbies as you can't teach old dogs new trick, they forget easily lah.

What I like to see is that before you write, be sure that it is correct ......as a wise man once said, "teach them how to fish correctly and you can sell them the bite forever".

So, treasure your students well and they appreciate you forever.

OIC, Pak Hen is Chinese and by D way, Do PH speak chinese? Must one day meet up with these great men (Swiftlets) like Mr.H of Indo, Mr. H of Mal , SS, James, SB and all. Great Men that willing to share their knowledge with newbies. O but look young man like me have no more brain space (hard disk space) to input new idea but really love to read new tech or otherwise brain kaput. High Tech are for the newbies as you can't teach old dogs new trick, they forget easily lah.

What I like to see is that before you write, be sure that it is correct ......as a wise man once said, "teach them how to fish correctly and you can sell them the bite forever".

So, treasure your students well and they appreciate you forever.

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Added on July 13, 2008, 5:17 pmOboy,
Monsoon rain is here, alot of you getting wet and mad.....why lau?
Come, give me some good answers to my questions? I am always frank and straight forward and could care less if I step on any one toe giving the right comments.

1. Paying for service is often required although I never being paid for any of my services but do receive commission for recommending consultant. Then, a Rm50K consultation fee doesn't mean you will be getting better services and more nest than a Rm5K consultant. A Rm50K C can demand more because he has good track records or that he really can talk well.
Either ways, you are the judge and if you make the wrong decision, you are to be blamed ...........


The blog here is about Swiftlet farming and many have gone rather too far and throwing bird shit at each other, bad for the blog.

Consultants are good because even the most experiance rancher need one because one sometime overlook the reason for the failure. Even PH or H may fail in their BHs but then if they have another consultant by his side, that C may point out the mistakes overlook. We can't see our own mistakes but other can. No one can build a perfect BH for we are not birds nor think like birds. We only can act like one.

I often passed comments and pointing at other BHs mistakes but then what about mine. How much to pay for one, he demand and you decide and if you want FOC consultation, ask in the blog and you get them free....

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Added on July 13, 2008, 5:33 pmMuch appreciate for the info, by the way who is San Gan? If mr.H is so expensive, then he must be very successful and meeting him must be very educational and exciting. Must attend one of his seminars when got time.

To most successful BHs owners, money is no problem but bird must come......pity the newbiz

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jul 13 2008, 05:33 PM

Kok Loh,

Never buy and Sell swiftlet eggs, Fellow BHs owners !!!!! you don't need the extra ringgit by selling Bird Eggs. If you want to sell eggs, sell duck eggs or chicken eggs. We, Swiftlets ranchers are protectors of swiftlets....we protect them from harm and we harvest the nest. Fair deal. Never harm the hand that feed..... that's my opinion.

7 years ago before I started Swiftlets farming, I was curios about the industry and happened to have a far relative doing Swiftlet ranching in Indo. Phone him up and he was most willing to help me but another far relative came to know about what I was going to start, phone me to refrain me from doing it.

His argument was that those who are in this trade do have good life and bad omen may pass to the next generation. He asked me to go to Indo to have a look at those families involve in BHs.

Now, after into the trade for so many years, I understand why.
In Indo, they harvest irrespectively of whether with eggs or babies. If the nests are big enough, they are harvested. We became killer of life and worse of those who kill the hands that feed. I was never of that type and that's why I am blessed with thousands of birds. I let them multiply and multiply. Forget the consultants that tell you that white nest fetch better price and that half cup is better than quarter cup. Thousand quarter cups is better than hundred half cups. Let the swiftlets multiple and soon you have result that you never have imagine. But the most importance of all, it is good for your soul and God bless you for that.

This is the truth that if you allow the swiftlets to breed and not being selfish,
you will see your BH improve very fast. Once, a consultant told me to harvest nest irrespective of eggs or chicks for that most of the new birds aren't your's anyway. Just think, if everyone do the same, where come the new birds. Do you really think that GOD create birds, too. No, GOD create our hearts. Even if I lose 70% of the new birds, I still have an increment of 30% new birds. Then, if other BHs did the same, I may end up having more than 100% increment in new Birds in every 4 months cycle; more from other BHs.

But....but If all follow that consultant's advice and what's balance 0 new bird to be share.

How to say this, for you can only compare old building to new building and not new BH building which is specially built for Swiftlets.

For new Swiftlets BH, it depend on the Sifu who do the renovation and the abilities to attract birds depend on the ability of your Sifu.

For old building vs new building of same height, normally old building shall be much better than new one. If the new building is much higher, then there shall be a changes that the new one will fare better in years to come. I have seem many old houses without renovation have hundreds of nest sticking to the ceiling and even the electrical wiring is not spare. In trying to s, normally higher building attract more swiftlets.

I am no Sifu, that's my humble observation during past many years.

Oboy...you are lucky and you came to here for there are so many Sifus.......James, Swiftbuild, and many others and you can go to their sites to view first then ask questions on this forum if you do not understand. Here, we are all your Pals and we are always ready to help, don't you, Sifu?

Check out all the websites and if you need directions, just ask and they will be most willing to forward you to their sites. Ask questions, give intelligence comments but never criticize.

Calvin

Get rid of the bat. One method is to use a fishing net and then dispose of the bat far away. Swiftlets dislike bats and it will affect your swiftlets growth.

One reason why you put light above the entrance is to prevent bats and owl from entering and if you cannot get them out, catch them and put them far away. Remember to clean away the bat shit and smell.

Hey, anyone has Bat repellent, hahaha

That my humble suggestion, I am no Sifu.........only an old BH Rancher.

Calvin

Not only swiftlet, human too doesn't like new cement because it's acidic and hurt your skin. New BH's has cemment dust that cause irritation to birds.
So, wash with alot of water if the cemment is new and new cement is hot too. Nothing to do with smell just dust and acidic.........and that's my opinion.




calvin

I like the term, "Bat house" then you will become Batman not Birdman. So, Samgan sell ammonia liquid so if you need it, buy from Samgan or other friendly suppliers at this forum. Otherwise clean it with water and if you like, spray some swiftlet's prefume. Bats sometime are difficult to get rid of and that why you must get them off or otherwise, they will make it their permanent home. Then, brother, you are in trouble.

Best of Luck to you and happy catching Bats, Mr. Batman.

Some Bloggers Kia Su, like only compliments but not comments although one should never criticize. Some think that they can do no wrong..............you are fooling yourself to think this way. C'mon, you never improve without constructive comments or friendly suggestion. So don't worry and sad, we, the readers love you all and only give our views to your blog and pls. no hard feeling. Any comments?

But remember I am not commenting or refering to any particular Blogger in particular so never add salt to my comments.

I love to read websites on swiftlets and forums, too and do it almost everyday except I am o'sea.

Calvin Lee

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Added on July 17, 2008, 2:15 pmSo, you can differentiate between good Sifu and Half Can Sifu but sometime locations, and luck also take into consideration. I have a friend just build a BH in his Oil Palm estate and walau, less than 2 months, over 20 nests and more comming. He is lucky as no perfume or special sound was even used........ so guy is lucky.


So, if you have all and done all and still no nest, look at the sky and pray, pray hard for good luck and fortune............or you may send sos to this forum and the Sifus here maybe able to help you, more heads is better than one head.




Calvin Lee

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Added on July 17, 2008, 2:19 pmOyes,

for the new comer to this industry, go to the following to learn

Some links regarding swiftlet farming:
Kong Heng Swiftlets Equipments Supply
Nest Tech Equipment Technology
Ming-Yan.com
Nest Talk Consultation Service
Crystal Swiftlets
Klub Peternak Walet - Indonesia
aerodramus.com

Blogs regarding swiftlet farming:
Swiftlets Farming: Million Dollars Potential
Swiftlet Farming : an Addictive Hobby & Multi-Million Dollar Business
Johan Walet.com
GMYS ENTERPRISE-Menjual Peralatan Memancing Burung Walet
Swallow Bird Nest Indonesia
燕农天地与燕屋管理 (swiftlet farming & management)
aerodramus.com


Compliment from SeeSang ( I took the liberty to cut and paste from his comments)

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jul 17 2008, 02:19 PM

One building is one building and one BH BLD is one BH BLD. If you take in account of floor by floor then what about sizes one 20 by 60 and the other 40 by 100 then what. In BHs, sizes isn't importance, what is importance is the number of nests. One BH haveing 5K nests is better than 5 BHs having 100 nests, simple mathematic. Here, we take care about how many nests you have and care not how big your BH is.

Once, there was this one BH owner having a row of 5 shop lots modified into BHs and only have 4 nest after 2 years. Another, just having a room (12 by 15) in his shop converted into BH and he has over 300 nest in 2 years. Big doesn't make any difference.

I rest my case

Hi Swiftlet Lim,

Are you really new in this Swiftlet industry. I hope you are and only if you are that I shall try to answer your question as my name was mentioned.

The price quoted is really very cheap and impressive is not the right word to use here. The only problem here is that in all circumstances, when things are cheap, you need to be double careful and double check all the way and make sure that full packages are been provided. Again, the package is cheap if all are provided.

All I can say it, be careful and if all are provided, this is a very good buy but then make sure, very sure that you are not taken for a ride. Although, I may have some unsolved problems with the guy as BSLee wish to mention here in this forum. Hopeful, all will all be OK when I meet up with him as he has phone me up over the matter. Surely, I will inform you all on the outcome later.

As I mentioned before, this is a forum for BH ranching and that to inform others of problems faced by you or cheated by someone are appreciated but then never to kill one over the forum. We complain so that the person take note and make remedy for improvement and also not to repeat the mistake. Give other to correct oneself is a good deed.

My good friends @ Forum, "Orang mau cari makan" bagi muka sedikit lah. so let begone be bygone and if problems persist again by any consultant or BH contractor or any BH shop, we welcome it to be mention and to report in this forum so that we all be extra careful when dealing with them. Remember, we are all friends @Lowyat(Swiftlet). So, also remember to buy from friends at this forum, too but I am not selling anything.

Just like just last week, I bought some liquid perfume for my friend but if if it is not worth a sen, then I will bring it our in the forum as I don't want other to waste money and it doesn't come cheap. and and if' it is good, you all will also know about it.




Calvin Lee

Begging your pardon, please check my past postings cos I was very lucky then and I am still lucky now and hopefully lucky in the future but the future are for us to see.

I am not Sifu but like to share my 'x'periance with swiftlet lovers everywhere and hopefully, to learn a trick or two with new methods and scientific approache toward BH ranching.

May all of us share wealth from the sky.

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Added on July 21, 2008, 2:33 pmConsultants.................calling all consultants,

Lucas 1 is paying for 50K for 50 nests in one year and that he can't be bother with what you do.

My humble opinions are that,

1. Someone may take the risk if the location is good and that just a thin sheet of nest is consider one.
2. The clock start when all have been done well.
3. The spending in total will not exceed 20K for 2 floors if you do like I did, making a profit of over 30K.

The above is my own opinion only for I am not consultant but only build my own BHs. So, what say you, the Sifus and Consultants.

And Lucas, Bird Shits or modified version are still very useful in new BH, ask your Sifu about it.

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Added on July 21, 2008, 9:09 pmwow, I just read in WOSG site the most exiting way to cool one's roof and it's so environment friendly, too. It's about Roof Garden. What's a nice and cool way to keep your roof green and beautiful. I will make my next BH roof into Roof Garden and every evening watching my swiftlets fly up and down, in and out of my BH. How wonderful and watching all these in my own garden on the roof top. Put one or two humidifiers up there, wines/tea and bird music, that's paradise, my friends.

I may even venture into this buz and I believe it has potential. It help to cool building without using electricity, enviroment friendly, beautified the town, no wastage and maybe some flowers for my wife.

Maybe, I will get Government's funding in this project, any suggestion?

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jul 21 2008, 09:09 PM

I understand your worry and you should not be buying expensive hormone or perfume when you don not have any bird in your BH.
These are only apply when you have birds in the BH but with no or unsatisfaction of nests. Using these products when there is no bird will not produce any nest as there is no bird. What you need to invest is in the sound system and later if birds enter but not staying, you need to correct the situation in the BH.

Your hormone should be donated to me as I find them too expensive to my liking although with no offend to all Selling Hormones or prefumes. I may have to purchase if any or my BHs fail to produce result in the future. I am also surveying for cheaper quality although many would argue that good thing don't come cheap. Personally, I fnd them expensive..............that's my opinion only and I am not offering cheaper alternative here. Wait until I find one or I invented one, then I would let you all know. Hope that the price can come down so more NEW BHs ranchers can afford to buy since they have invested so much money in the renovation and rental lost.

It's still early for April Fool joke and R U sure brother? Hand carry also keno tax and what's about tourists taking them back home also tax. Where can, no law or stupid law. Alot like above 3 KGs..............maybe cos the Govt. need monies to pay petrol subsidies, hahahaha. Maybe Govt. impost max. half KG per person taking out. If this is the case, then our big brother like LHK and rest may as well close shop.

If D true, pls. tell us. Appreciated