Hi all , my name is Jackie Toh this year 19 , and i live in Kt ,China town .i've sign up to join this forum few day ago,currently i have 1 farm in Kt but here swiftlet farming not so good ....but lucky i've found here a lot of information and Sifu or SiGong willing to share their experience at here ...

i hope you guys might share more information about there swiftlet farming so my swiftlet farming not a FAILURE farm .In addition  i hope can found a forumer who live in kt willing come out yam cha and sharing their experience with me.

Ok, that's all for now. Once again, nice to meet you guys and thanks for letting me join. If anybody has any more useful links, please post them up for all to share.and sorry for my bad english 
Jackie Toh

Some EM is "sweet" smelling. The activated EM with molasses certainly smell divine 8-).

  I think if such benefitial microbes are sprayed regularly into the BH the amount of ammonia produced could be a lot less and further more the decomposition is faster. The reason this is significant is that most decomposition will result in about 60% residue i.e. for 1000 g of shit at the beginning, 3 months later this will become about 600g. With EM this could be reduced by another 50% i.e 400 g.  So the interval to cleaning would be much reduced.

    All these are just my guess and I do not know if it will work out as I understand it to be.  So what I have said is really not worth the electrons it is written on.

    I remember reading some years back about how an alloy called KDF 55 (alloy of copper and zinc) when in contact with water for a short time will produce a colloid of kdf55. This water when applied to a surface will prevent mold from forming. I do not know if this will work out. KDF55 is used in water filtration and the colloid is harmless to human - no established minimum poisonous level.  If others can try and let us know I think we will appreciate it.

  For those kuantan folks who wants to try,      I found a place in kuantan that sells this KDF 55. It is a water filter shop in kubang buaya.

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[COLOR=red]TO ALL KEDAH FARMERS !
STAND UP AND FIGHT THE CORRUPTED AND EVIL SWIFTLET FARMING BLOGGER :
ISMAIL AHMAD @ HARRY KOK !
SHOW HIM OUR MIGHT !
TO HARRY COCK OR ISMAIL AHMAD,

I THINK YOU OWE ALL OF US AN EXPLANATION. IF YOU ARE AN EXPERT IN SHIFTING THE BIRDS FROM TOWN TO ECO PARK, LETS START WITH YOUR OWN FARM IN SUNGAI PETANI.

SINCE YOUR FARM HAVE LESS THAN 100 NESTS FOR THE PAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS, LETS PROVE TO US YOU MOVE YOUR BIRDS OF 200 BIRDS FROM YOUR SHOPLOT TO ECO PARK .

TO PROVE IT IS SUCCESSFUL, YOU MOVE YOUR 200 BIRDS TO THE NEW HOME IN ECO PARK ON FEB 18 (GOOD DAY MAH!!!), AND ON FEB 20 WE WILL CHECK YOUR NEW FARM IN ECO PARK AND CALCULATE AT NIGHT AND SEE HOW MANY BIRDS STAY IN THE NEW FARM, AND THEN RE VISIT ON 25 OF FEB AND SEE HOW MANY STAY....AND RE VISIT ON 18 MARCH AND SEE HOW MANY STAY ......
LET US ALL HELP ISMAIL AHMAD AKA HARRY COCK TO MOVE HIS FARM.
       
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INVITATION TO JOIN KEDAH BH TASK FORCE TO REPRESENT INTEREST OF BH OWNERS IN KEDAH‏

Sent: Wednesday, 4 Feb, 2009 3: 07 PM
To:  Dr Raden Fadzilah Aini Bt Abd Kadir (fadzilah@jph.gov.my)

Re: INVITATION TO JOIN KEDAH BH TASK FORCE TO REPRESENT INTEREST OF BH OWNERS IN KEDAH

Date: Wednesday, 4 February, 2009, 6:28 AM
Gentlemen,
Thank you for having agreed to be invited to join in to help to defend the right and interest of the bird’s nest house (BH) owners in the state of Kedah. Many of you who receive this email are owners of BH.  But some of you are not owners. These non-owners are proven social volunteers at my personal invitation here to help to fend for the CIVIL RIGHTS AND JUSTICE of the people. My personal salute to all of you esp these non-owners.
For the benefit of those who are new to me, let me humbly introduce myself and brief you the purpose of our mission.
I am involved in the BH industry way back to 1998. I was the co-founder for the 1st BH association in Malaysia, i.e. The Malaysia Bird’s Nest Merchants Association in 2000. I was the Deputy President until 2003 and became the advisor. I was the one who led the committee to attend the 1st official meeting and dialogue with the Federal Govt officials to convince them the recognition of this BH industry at Putrajaya in 2002. I was also forced to be the author to do the write up of the 1st comprehensive report on the Malaysia’s Bird’s nest industry (attached) which was used to educate the Ministers and the officials. This report has been constantly revised and updated by me till recently. It is a very time consuming job to collect the data.
Despite having retired from this active voluntary social work since 2003, yet I have been re-called to attend and resolve the numerous BH crises occurred throughout the country during the period till very lately. The latest being the Penang case which I managed to convince the Penang New Govt to extend another year for the BHs in Penang till 2009 Dec with my promise to help the Govt to resolve the messy controversial procedure in the BH licensing left behind by the previous BN administration. The Penang Govt requested me to help in as I was the one who led a Task Force representing the BH owners of Penang fought and negotiated successfully for the issuance of the BH license in 2005. And I owned no BH in Penang.
Among the issues I helped in person and or assisted in settling are, Nibong Tebal in 2000,2001 the Malacca crisis in 2002, Serbak Bernam in 2002, Kelantan in 2003, Johor in 2004, Kuantan in 2004,2005, Taiping in 2005, Parit Buntar, Sri Manjung, Telok Intan in 2006, Mukah, Sarawak, Oct 2008, Penang 2005,2008 etc. All these have caused me a lot in many ways for the past 10 years and yet, I have no personal direct gains from all these as my BHs are in Kedah.

Up to date, there exist no less than 50 related associations in Malaysia with many are encouraged by me to form to attend and resolve their respective local issues. Unofficially, I acted as advisor to many of them. Till today, I am still requested to give advice to a certain national
association at ad hoc basis to help tackle macro issues at ministerial and national level which if not resolved carefully, would definitely and adversely affect the future of this BH industry in Malaysia.

Now, it is the turn that the new Kedah PR Govt is trying to look seriously into the positive economic prospect of this industry having on the state and the people. This was overlooked and neglected by the previous BN administration. From my understanding of the present MB and the Excos, all of them are very supportive of this industry and would like to do something positive. The Excos have encouraged one of its GLC, PKNK to move into BH development in Bandar Bahru. They have instructed the Kedah PBT to look into formulating the appropriate guidelines to issue BH license. I came to know that the Ketua Pengarah PBT Negeri Kedah, Tuan Noran will be conducting a state level meeting for all departments to make presentation on 17.02.09 in Wisma.
To my understanding, besides the Govt departments, the Ketua Pengarah welcomes inputs and participation from the representatives of the trade as it is the wish of the State Govt trying to make Kedah a model among all the states. I understand that Dr Reduan from the Federal Haiwan will be making a presentation besides a couple of other departments which I have yet to find out. As it is a fact that most Govt servants are not involved in this trade and that this is a new trade that till to date not many new comers are well verse with and have the in-depth understanding and knowledge, it is imperative that we, the ones directly involved in it should come forward to do our best to feed and guide them. I also come to know that there is one Ismail Ahmad@ Harry who is a blogger has also been invited to make presentation. This Harry is known to me personally. To me, he is pretty new and owned only one BH in SP of about 3 years old with little success. He is active in his blog which is only about a year old. He wrote a lot very amusingly. But most of his stuff I do not agree with. He was the one who told me that he was invited to make presentation and was very proud of it. I alerted and advised him that he should not do it by himself and instead he should join in the task force which the Kedah owners are going to form to represent all. It seems that this has gone onto deaf ear and I understand he has submitted his personal presentation claiming to represent views of the owners of Kedah. Such inconsiderate and uncooperative action really worries me. I afraid he may mislead those who attend the meeting and make wrong decision.
In view of the circumstances and in desperation, I appeal to all of you that we MUST immediately form a task force which will eventually turn into a state association to make proper representation as from now. I am proposing this to be named KEDAH SWIFTLET HOUSE OWNERS ASSOCIATION (PERSATUAN PEMILIK RUMAH WALIT NEGERI KEDAH). We will try to get ourselves be invited to the meeting on the 17.02.09.
Meanwhile, I would humbly and urgently advise all of you to scrutinise the attached document and be well verse in them. From time to time, I will feed you more. I need each and every one of you to really consider the importance and the urgency of the matter. I need positive inputs from you. My planning is that we shall attend the meeting and listen to the presentations. We will request the authority to let us time study through thoroughly and give them our positive views to assist the Govt to draft a real good guidelines for win-win which the whole Kedah people will be proud of and exclaim KEDAH BOLEH.
Also, please try to spread the news and help head hunt for more calibre volunteers to join us. More hands make work lighter. We need to inform all the owners and encourage them to join in as members. We may eventually need to split it into 3 sectors like Alor Star, Sg Petani and Kulim in order to cover whole Kedah. Meanwhile, let SP be the centre temporarily for all the convenience. My estimation of the number of BHs in whole Kedah is well over 2,500 with more to come.
I do understand that all of us have our own professions and commitment. This is only our passive side investment. It is quite human and natural that everybody expects somebody to do it, but most of the time; it ends up nobody does it. If this is so in this case, would you imagine and visualise how dreadful the outcome is going to be? How I wish that I could be spared from doing this again after having contributed and spent more than 10 donkey years in it nationwide. I am really scared thinking of it. I am dying for a complete retirement from this social work and concentrate in my personal life and matter. But, it looks like I am not given the choice now, at least for the time being. Also, I can’t do it alone. Therefore, I am appealing and pleading to all of you, please, for goodness sake, and for the future of this industry in which so many Kedahans are now depending on as their lifelines, do contribute a little to help me so that we can help all. Let us start organise it properly and invite more hands to share to help in. I believe once it is on the track, more calibre volunteers will come forward to take rotation to serve.
There is a saying, THE ONLY TIME WHEN EVILS THRIUMPH IS WHEN ALL THE GOOD MEN ARE DOING NOTHING.

Sincerely yours,
David Lim    012-4850778
04.02.09  

P/S: Pls do not be misled by Harry’s post on the GAHP course which in my opinion is controversial with hidden agenda. I remember in 2005 and 2006 this course was conducted and provided FOC by Haiwan across the country. I was assisting in rounding up owners to attend for awareness programme. Up to today, I understand that there is no official compulsion and any legal binding as a pre-requisite requirement in the application of BH license. I do not understand why it is no longer free? There is something very fishy. Somebody must be exploiting the situation for personal gains. I will have it checked up later. Please spread and advise those you know not to fall for it

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Added on February 6, 2009, 11:21 amI have not been active in this forum but it hurts me when you  attack Harry when he has no intention of doing what he is accused of. There is one blogger who is always attacking Harry  out of jealousy because he is less popular than Harry but we should not be carried away by this malicious attack by this blogger. Harry has good intentions. We need't have to agree with him 100%. Besides he didn't force anybody to buy anything from him. If he is boosting of his Black cloud, let it be. I am sure its not Henry Mulia's sound, Black Thunder or whatever sound that he had and he didn;t buy the Black Cloud from Henry Mulia or his agent. I am sad that some of the respected forumners here had been influenced by this particular blogger.  I would like to publishe Harry's post here for all to judge whether  he is asking the authority to shift town BHs to eco parks or agricultural lands. Harry had  contributed a lot to the swiftlet fsrming industry. He too need to earn a living besides blogging since he has retired from his profession as an engineer. I really respect all the active forumners here especially my  countryman here, West Wing, same state but different town. for the selfless contributions, with fresh ideas and constructive comments.

"It is a great challenge to move those birds from their current home, town areas, to a new home.

This will be one of the biggest challenges of all the Local Council once the Garis Panduan Perumahan Walet come into force.

I was invited to sit with the Council recently and I am very happy that the new guideline will be made available for all swiftlet farmers and all the local councils.

The biggest task will be how to relocate these wild birds from town areas to a gazetted land area?

Will these birds moved?

How to make them moved?

The "Garis Panduan" allows a minimum of 3 years for BH owners to comply and I am sure there will be lots of objections from the swiftlet farming communities in the Country.

Have this been done before?

The idea is very good but how do we do it in a manner that will not disturb the bird's colonies and at the same time will make the BH owners agrees with all the measures that the Local Council will take?

Today I received an invitation letter from Kedah State to attend a briefing to the Chief Minister and his Town Planners above the subject matter.

I am very sure there is a very good opportunities to let them know my personal views and perhaps voice my concern over the BH owners income.

Theoretically it can be done but practically it have never been done.

My biggest concern is the fate of all those young birds during the moving operations. I cannot allow the "Mukah Tregedy" repeat itself. I am very sure that if the same tragedy is repeated our whole bird nest indutries in Malaysia will be black listed and we stand to loose billion of dollars.

The cost to move to a new site will be substantial.

The owner do not have any skill in this operation. Likewise no local council or their staff do have any ideas or experiences to handle this kind of task.

I planned to attend this meeting and prepare some materials so that the council will have some ideas on swiftlets behaviours, characteristics and their normal life cycle.

I have some suggessions to stop those annoying sounds.

If they wanted to move they need to come out with a suitable alternatives so that it will not be a huge burden to the current BH owners and are practical.

They need to consider providing the best alternatives to all those affected and ensure that high skill people are given the tasks to move the colonies.

Those who have some ideas please write to me as soon as you have them.

I need to get my paper ready by 3rd Feb 2009"

First of all, do we have to reply with all the QUOTES each time? It makes scrolling down boring.

Second, YES, you can move BH to another location. It has been done in Indonesia,

BUT BUT BUT

that was for small portable BHs that was initially built and when full of birds, the small BH is moved a little by little over a long period of time into a much larger BH.

Sorry if anyone gets excited reading the first part!

Maybe somebody can come up with a way to moved the shophouses failing which we all need to attend a Swiftlet Pied Piper's course. Cheap cheap only RM999 for a day. Limited seats, first come first basis.

To whom it may concern

As I was looking for some material related to mukah incident I found out that Sarawak has a STATE STATUTE(LAW) in which SWIFTLET REARING IS ILLEGAL. As far as I know NONE of the other states of such law.

Let me emphasise again, EACH STATE in malaysia decides on their own. It is unfortunate that there is such a silly law in sarawak.

It has even be shown or claimed that swiftlet populations feeding on air-borned insect can actually help reduce aedes mosquitoes.

I personally do not understand and also very disagreeable to include GAHP of the HAIWAN as a pre-requisite requirement in the application of a BH license issued from PBT. Till today I am still very puzzled and annoyed with it despites I had attended. I feel it is totally absurd, irrelevant, not necessary and has nothing to do with BH operation at all.

I do not see why the PBT must include it in its application. It is not relevant and no necessity. GAHP is only a course provided to educate those farmers in poultry and animal farming in captivity. It is up to the farmers to feel if they need to learn up certain useful knowledge. It has nothing to do with BH with free flying birds.

I know in several councils in Penang, Perak and many other states with BH license issued are not having this requirement. It is another Malaysia Govt dept’s infamous bureaucratic red tape system. They simply do not want to go straight forward for efficiency and effectiveness. They prefer to walk in circle. May be by doing this, it proves that the officers are busy servicing.

It is no harm for HAIWAN to encourage the owners to learn something should they feel they need it. But why do the councils make it a compulsion to invite or allow another dept with no jurisdiction to interfere into their authority which they have the absolute power in deciding the approval? It might as well to get the JKR, BOMBA, and FISHERY etc to approve before them.

May be it is high time that the responsible and dedicated committee should pursue and ask the Haiwan the justifications to find out the real reason behind. I won’t be surprised the answer is as far as the Haiwan is concerned there is no such compulsion in Haiwan ruling, but it is the PBT asking for it, so we conduct.

West Wing, don't mind help to find out from your side. Get the officer to give answer in black and white. We will also ask them from our side.