Let me tell all an old story and it began more than 10 years ago, many consultants approached me to convert my tall building in to a BH on 50% -50% sharing but I wasn't interested at all and then they increased to 60% -40%. I was tempted but then why do I need to share when I have the money. As I knew nothing about swiftlets and can't even differentiate swiftlet from swallow and even thought that swiftlet live by the sea and eat tiny fish. I found that some of my realtives in Indo have BHs and so I make some inquiries and advices from them. Guess what I get.

I. One Relative told me that BH is very good investment and if I am interested, he would send two of his workers to help me to set up the BH.

2. Another told me not to dream about having BH as it will bring bad omen to me, family or further generations. He even offer to take me around the town and show me how and what were wrong or bad that happened with those involved in this industry. That.I didn't understand then but I understand now.

As for no.1, since I can pay, I engaged a consultant to build the BH but after a week upon completion, I terminated the consultant by paying him Rm12K in cash because I believed that I can do better than him and with him around, it make matter worse. (sorry, if you, my consultant is reading and I didn't intented to tarnished your reputation but then I am telling my story from my point of view).

As for no.2. I now know the reason for my relative's worry. The Indo's usual way as I believed was that they would harvest all nests inrespectively of whether nests with eggs or chicks when the time for harvesting. This is to maximize profit and no concern for the bird and its family. This is killing and no religion can permit us doing so. Even one BH owner told me that even he and his friends harvest 6 times a year, his BHs will have increment of birds due to the fact that there will be always some BHs owners breeding swiftlets and that the new birds will fly out and who know where they will go to................

Buddhist believe that whatever bad we do, will eventually fall back onto us now or later or in after life. I don't know about other religions........


Again, above are only my little understanding and pls forgive me and accept my apologies if I am wrong or if you feel hurt and also maybe my lack of understanding in this industry. I just care for the welfare of the helpless swiftlets which provide us with the white gold free and we should at least appreciate them by providing them with a safe place to stay.

Hope that no one gone to sleep with my boring story and pls do comments and post your views or news on swiftlets so that I need not post my crazy postings here. I promise that if you all post, I keep my big mouth shut.......... and so my hands.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jan 3 2009, 12:35 PM

First, AF is not a total protected species now but a semi protected species and you may check with the authorities. Secondly. there is never a overcrowded area but only overcrowded BH and if your's is one, congratulation. You get it all worng because the swiftlets fly very far in search of food and only return to build home. They practically do everything in the sky and fly hundreds of miles away. The swifltets will not migrate unless force to and their area will only expand bigger and bigger.

Please make very sure that your local authorities know what they are doing or suppose to do or otherwise, you all will be in serious trouble.

I am not a lawyer and could care less about reading LAW to become one either but I do know that...

The Forest Rangers do not have the right to force into the BH without approval,but they have all the right to take BH owners to court and that where the court decide and not up to the Pejabat Hutan or gunmen.......if by building a BH in town is wrong without approval, then they can fine the BH owners or give notice to demolish the BH but they do not have the right to enter my building illegally. Failing so, they will need to take me to court to settle the matter. Even the Police need a warrent to do so, is the Pejabat Hutan's authority above that of the Police. If the Pejabat Hutan suspect someone of providing a sanctuary for swiftlets, they need the premission to enter or otherwise, they need a court order to do so. By just forcing their way in, they are trespassing and shall be arrested for illegal entering and should be bought to court and be fine, pay damages and should be thrown into jail where they deserve. The Pejabat Hutan is suppose to protect the swiftlet, we , the provider of sanctuary for the bird should all be given medals where their cousins @ caves have been destroyed by the so called harvesters protected by the forest rangers which infact be protecting the swiftlets and then the rangers went on to kill all chicks and eggs and you call them, forest rangers...better name, protected species killers lah and professional ones. Alas, my heart is with our friends in Sarawah. Very lucky that, we in the West Malaysia are still OK. Thanks to the understanding and consideration of our PM, DPM and his Cabinet Ministers.

So, anyone of us around here who is a lawyer and know the laws please judge my humble finding as I am only using the law as I think the law shall apply which infact is very simple by using mostly common senses. Kicking a dog or cat can land you in jail but why killing hundreds of protected species still free???? Maybe, they are 007 secret agents, license to kill. Again, above are my little understanding of everything above.

Ps...sorry for not keeping my promise to keep my BM shut, tak boleh tahan lah.............

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Added on January 7, 2009, 7:03 pmThe magazine write but you decide on whether it's right or wrong,. This time of the year, as usual, not much increment of nest due to the season but then some still have increment. Likewise, my BHs is still growing and well so I really have no worry at all. Just tell me, where to find increment in area where no new bird is reproduce. Buyer are demanding only 3 feather whites nests and no shit and we oblige. You think that God still create birds. God create Adam and Eve but no more. You produce new birds and you decide not to.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jan 7 2009, 07:03 PM

Lucas,

Thank you for what you have posted here and some of readers may want to export BN to China and they will certainly face lesser problem, thanks to you. Hoping that this will help to increase the price if our BN.

Chank,

In you, I feel negative vibe...............and this is no good for the industry Positive thinking are all we want at this moment and unity is what we want So, if China is buying our raw nests, so is the matter here, Indo is paying us so low and its getting lower and luckily, now we get the Chinaman coming. China is buying unprocessed nests because our neighbour is cheating on them all this time and if I am the Chinaman, I won't be buying processed nests untill I am sure that the processed nests are safe to consume, won't you???

Thank God for that for we don't have to depend on Indo who all this while through their agents in Malaysia have been telling us that we do not know how to process nests and we should not even try and we will fail. "Indo workers are so cheap and they are expert and so good at it" and we Malaysians are no match to them.... where are the "Malaysia Boleh" spirit !!!!!!!! Hey, we, Malaysians have the technology and we are smart and we learn fast but processing is one thing that the more you do, the better you are at it. It is like the fishermen telling us that we do not know how to fish and we need not learn cos' we will be able to catch enough fishes, just leave the fishing to the fishermen. Then, we will always be at the mercy of the fishermen. Until we learn, and we havent' got the time as our birds are building nests and we need the money to pay for the installments so we are now at the mercy of the buyers, representatives from Indo. Last, I heard that the Indo are paying Rm2200 for 3 fingers 3 feathers white nest and I said to myself, Oh God, how am I going to produce such nest with my way...unless I follows the evil way and that the day, I call it a day. Now, the price has increase and the price is getting better and better....through buyers from China and local buyers who have learn the method of exporting to China ( Thanks to those friends who taught us how to export). As the buying get better, we won't have to worry...........as we have having another group of buyers from or for China and we no longer depend on Indo group, which I was told by PJ that the Indo are one united group and that's smell fishes and bad..............

We are not desperado but it is some guys with maybe some hidden agendas giving bad weather forcast that create the panic selling. It is like a group of people crying "Tsumani coming" and everyone running toward high ground even the sea is calm...........

I have been keeping my nests since the Tsumani Calling and can't be bother to run as I believe in myself and would only sell if the price is reasonable....surely not Rm1400 or Rm1200 and what then......


The Chinese have been so used to pure white nests and red nests, thanks to the Indo and they think that the bird nests are supposed to be like that.....and now even that they are coming and they are demanding white nests...... we need to teach the Chinese that the original color is the best color and if the Chinese insist on whiteness, sooner or later, we will be bleeching nests and maybe creating artificial 4 or 5 fingers nests. How safe will the nests be then. Again, are my humble opinions and no intented to offend Mr. Chank and anyone here............just wanting to help to get reasonable price for all. Anyone sleeping already?? Keep posting, everyone and help keep the forum alive and everyone has the right to post but I hope no 4 letters words or something like that.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jan 8 2009, 08:49 PM

I believe that you need to be there to give any comment as the entrance is the Fong Sui opening where all the nature forces are involve and in peace like the wind, the sun, the heat and others and the only none Fong Sui player is the Choy San(Swiftlets) who must like the opening and that’s why, even the greatest of the grand masters sometime may need to change the entrance after renovation. Also you need to wary of of Hock San (Predator) and remember that in all BH, the entrance is the most importance part of all and again it is my humble opinion. Ha ha ha ha

Oyea!!!! We will only hit 100 but next year, we will all be around if we are honest and sincerely to our pals @ forum. So, forward anything about our Choy Sant, the swiftlets.

The road to the better future was never easy and won't be and only thru hard work and many failures will you be successful.

If we are not to go into the China market now and leave it to other nations, we will always be at other's mercy. Why can't we be better than others in the near future if we tried and we tried and at last we may see a Champion in us.

I never said that we are not selling to A or B but that we will sell to anyone who offer us reasonable price and I feel the present price is a shameful to the white gold.....and that since China shall be facing shortage of nest due to the" RMB 700 MILLION WORTH OF SMUGGLED BIRD’S NEST SEIZED IN SHENZHEN, CHINA" news so many times this few months.

Processed or unprocessed nest, we sell if the price is right and let no one denial us of it.

Today, someone came to us offering Rm3000 for white nests and we are not selling only white. They are facing difficulties in getting their bleached white nest into China which is very strict in their import of nest. That's really very good for us as Chinese will soon learn that BN is not all white and infact 90% light color. The guy has the nerve to say that if he want brown nests, he need not come to Malaysia as Indo has lots of brown nest and much cheaper, too.

So, my support for those who wish to process nest in Malaysia and if possible export oversea..............and someone did mentioned that China is so big that whatever Malaysia can produce, they take and even their newborn babies per year exceed that of the population of Malaysia, and that's the market for us.

I met two ladies in KL at a swiftlet's seminar and what, they are processing BN in large quantity and Sales exceed Production. So, who say Malaysia tak boleh.... that's again are my humble view and comments and Happy 100 everyone..........................

Friday, 9 January, 2009

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jan 11 2009, 08:34 PM

Not difficult to figure out at all.........buy @ Rm6000 sell @ Rm4400 and make profit if you add pig skin, sea weed and what have you. I have saw nests in shops selling nests that doesn't look like nests and saw medical shop in Singapore drying wet nest cake by the road side looking more like sea weed..........by the way, how much is one kilo of sea weed or pig skin?

We really have magicians among us.

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Added on January 12, 2009, 8:19 amBrother Chank,

We didn't have the opportunity to meet Mr. K and I sincerely hope that you would share your experience with the wise man with us so that we can also enlighten us on the matter. I also attended the Seminar @ MINE even I don't read Chinese and I was there to support the event and really find alot of repeated information but then what were on the screen look foreign to me. Hope you can give some insight on what you have learn like exporting to oversea esp. China...............preferable step by step and that will be nice, don't you all think so....
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Then, someone @ forum has told me that the speaker at the forum is good at lecturing BN processing and I am inviting him to our Association to leach us how to process and if we know the knowledge of processing, then we can another route to sell our nests. We here will learn how to build BH, manage BH, now Export BN and future..........open BN shop and sell BN drink and food directly to customers. If we know all above, we will survive and even if our population is small campare to other countries, but then if we know teach other races to take BN, then we don't even need to export our BN. An apple a day, keep the doctor away.........a bowl of nest a day, keep the doctor away will be a better saying.


Word of the day.......support BN (******Barisan National), for health living .......hahahaha

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jan 12 2009, 08:19 AM

Dear MNet,

Thanks for the information on "online writing etiquette" and I truly believe that Chank doesn't mean to yell but that he is trying to make us understand him well................ Here, I learn about online etiquette as before this forum, I never venture into any online forum but since then, I just love forums, any forum.... kopi O or teh tarik or I Luv U, U mati also boleh.....ooh, sorry, out of topic so back to the etiquette writing online.

Mr. Chank, we like you but please do not to post all in capital or all large letterings as it may offend some readers. We wish all well. Happy posting Mr. Chank and everyone, too. As I did mentioned before, we are all gentlemen here but sometime we forget ourself..........just like me after a few drinks,,,,,,,,,,,,even sometime not drunk (who will know), I sometime use impolite words on some of my associates to let go my anger. ha ha....... Thank you again, MNet and great work, Mr. Chank, Mr. Lucas and all that have contributed to this forum and may it lasts very long as education never end..........

One reminder to newbiz in this industry, if your BH doesn't has nests yet....it's OK as you need to wait alittle longer as it is still not the time yet. Old BHs will still have alot of birds returning during late evening and only those having chicks will have their birds returning during the days to feed the chicks.

Again, the above are my own humble findings and others may disagree with me. If so, post your opinions to share and I will learn alittle more to add to my old files. All mine, are old files but what about new high tech approach to swiftlets industry, "swiftlets sanctuary" is my way of looking at birdhouse.

Coming back to new technology, as the government is very concerned about noise pollution, it need to be solve urgently....any new way to attract the swiftlets without disturbing our neighbours ............but it must be effective on the swiftlets not "the emperor with new clothes". Any recommendation, view or idea on these will be helpful and a blessing to owners and local government officers. Why, new BH without the external sound will be difficult to attract birds and we hope to be able to help the newbizs .................. and ourself, too.

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Added on January 12, 2009, 5:27 pmI just luv these arguments even it doesn't concern swiftlets farming, who care as long as evryone is high. My comments on the matter again is that it all depend where you are. When you have readers of high expectations, you need to be have good etiquette but another place, what seem to be impolite, it's so common and natural way of expression. Once, I was at a meeting where so many four letters words are used and they don't seem to mind but then I did but I was alone ...........so do what the Romans do when in Rome....... @ swiftlets farming, we will try to be as polite as we can for there are readers from outside and we don't want the world to think that we are a bunch of *#!@#$**&.......sorry, if offended anyone, just my busy mouth.....no hard feeling as we are all brothers/sisters @ swiftlets farming forum. Please remember that all disagreements, arguments and unhappiness settle once the dusts reaches the ground, that's our wishes, I believe.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jan 12 2009, 06:29 PM

Selamat datang, jumput semua kawan kawan. Yang saya tahu, kamu boleh pakai bahasa apa apa pun dalam Forum in. Bagi saya, saya lebih suka bahasa English. Bahasa English, Bahasa Malaysia, Bahasa Indonesia saya faham, Bahasa lain saya tak faham tetapi bahasa lain, saya tak faham kemunkinan ada juga kawan yang pandai. Forum ini adalah untok hal awal burung walit.

Asalam Mualaikum...

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Added on January 13, 2009, 8:43 pmOne day, maybe day dreaming that the Govt. will give grant to build BH or for refurbishing BH just like replanting rubber trees..... and by the way, TSS....you pay summon to Majlis for BH every six months??????
GEM seem to be active in promoting this Industry among the Bumiputra recently and the more Swiftlets Ranchers, the better and it will be booster for the Industry. Since it's God gift to us and Allah's gift to Bumiputra, rezeki Allah...............Tuhan bagi, kami menerima, bukan??????

GEM should also teach the BUMI to take BN for health ( It is the best natural health food for pregnant women) and with all BUMI women taking BN, we don't even need to look forward to China market as we have a huge market here..................you see BUMI women never stop at two ................not like the Chinese as their's are also God's will.



By the way, GEM, how your seminars going with the Bumiputra???????

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jan 13 2009, 08:43 PM

[Dear West Wing,

So you think you really know who I am. You are a thinking person. I hope you could consider the following facts. In every forum I participated in there will always be people there to malign me behind my back. Often my nicks(the handle I used) are different. How do you or others in other forum know who I am in real life from my online nick ? When I came back to kuantan after more than 20 years away, no one really know who I was. I was a stranger to everyone and yet I get treated badly EVERYWHERE I WENT. When I was in singapore it was really bad. Even strangers spat at me. A coffee shop owner told the waiter that he will not sell me coffee. I frequented his shop for years before without any incidents nor did I complained. WE never talked and had no quarrels. Someone engineeerred one incident after another to harass and to provoke.

This continued even after I came back to malaysia. People were fed a lot of garbage for them to hate, to fear, to have contempt etc. Even my own siblings had ganged up on me and had warned others of how bad I was.

How and who was behind all these were actually told to me. The hidden agenda, if you could see it, behind all these was to alienate me for some strange reasons of a demented soul from where I had worked for 20 years.

Nothing I had hope to do for the past 8 years or so were free from malicious interference.

If you could think you would be more careful in believing and worst spreading what you were told. Things are never what you were told.]

Someone PM the above to me as I don't understand what the writer tried to say and can someone or the gentleman please enlighten me on it.

I don't seem to know you and did I offend you or what? I apologies if I offended you by my postings and I will not stop posting my feelings, or what I heard, what I read and what I think as this is a public forum as long as I do not use unpolite words. Anyone can disagree with my postings and can comment on it and I really and have not even comment on your posting .........so far not yet as I can remember unless you go by another nick name.

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Added on January 14, 2009, 6:15 pmSyabas. Harap dapat kongsi pendapatan dan informasi dari kamu dan rakan rakan disitu dalam industry ini didalam forum ini......seperti dahulu, Kongsi Raya dan sekarang kita Kongsi Kaya, OK? Kalau dalam masa depan kita jumpa, kita kongsi Kopi dan Roti............. tetapi sekarang saya menguchapkan "KONG XI FA CAI" kepada semua Usahawan Burung Walit dan keluarga.


Wishing all friends @ forum, Kong Xi Fa Cai and Cai Yen Kun Kun Lai................

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jan 14 2009, 06:17 PM

I have a little different opinion on the matter....if money is the problem, they only need to increase the licensing fee to a higher amount and that will solve the money problem. I think it the lack of understanding on the swiftlets industry and the opposition to this industry by some of the raayat on the issuing of permit especially some of the YBs and the councilors (BN or opposition) or maybe even the MBs on the matter. The Federal Government support the Industry but not everyone, maybe some state Governments are against the Industry but not wanting to go against the Federal Directives and are waiting for a valid reason to ban the Industry like "Bird Flu cause by swiftlets". Thanks God for this will never happen as swiftlet never touch the ground where most all dangerous viruses and fungus are unless we create it........

I know that our incoming PM supported this industry and that the Pahang State Government follow his directive as our PM is from Pahang. Penang and soem of the opposition Party States are against the Industry so, please don't blame the BN on the matter as the many opposition MPs and SCs and LCs are against the Industry...the most famous anti Swiftlets State now is the Penang State Government. Check it out with our BH owners in Penang and you will know.


Again, this is my humble opinions only and not a political statement.

Thanks for the informations and appreciated and happy if all are the true. I have the opportunity to speak to a Pahang state Exco during the inspection for the approval of swiftlets BH and I was told by him that some state Excos were against allowing the BHs approval but it was the incoming PM who questioned their reason to prevent this new industry and after that no one dare to bring up the subject again. This is what I hear and maybe wrong.

As for the Eco Parks, that I agreed with you that that is the main problem in Sarawak and in Johor and that as I see, it is caused by our own brothers in the industry having own greedy interest. If I am the MB who know nothing in this swiftlets farming, I will be also against Swiftlets BHs in the town after listening to their accusations and the advantages of having Eco farms centralize @ some location far away from town. Need not to mention other AngPows. It will so easy to do so. Cases like in Terengganu recently, some BH owners have gone over the limit in doing their BH without considering other rights. Like no no in PHT area and residential areas, the BH owners are fishing for trouble and they shouldn't have build there in the first place. Here, we have a few cases where the local government tear down some BHs built on resisdential areas and we @ our own Association do not even lift a fingger to help them as they deserved what coming....and if we do help, then the rest of the BHs will have problems with the local authorities. What's right, we will support and fight but then, what's wrong, I keep the distance and so have our friends...... we do not oppose just for opposing only.

What the Association should do is to explain to the authorities the reasons in allowing the industries in town and not the other way for personal gain.............again that is my personal opinion and little knowledge in this matter.

I could only comment on the first type of brick, Silica brick which is light weight, heat insulation and fire resistance ....all well except that it created low humidity in the BH which is bad so if you are using theses bricks, you need to plaster the surface with like one sifu here told you so............... otherwise you may end with a dry BH empty of nests.

The plastering is to prevent absorption of water and these materials is long lasting and the longer it is the stronger it get (silica).........basic rules of BH is that the temperature be between 26 to 29 which is very easy to maintain with these brick but high humidity.......is a problem unless you plaster well.

Please do comment on my opinion on the materials as I am no expert and just learning..............others have also been very successful with other type of materials and the most importance of all is how your plan and set up your BH and what type of brick is really not that very important although it will simplified your setup and cost trying to maintain the sanctuary just like the cave.

Above are my humble knowledge and little understanding of BH and me is never sifu to anyone but just a friend of swiftlets and santuary owners.

To me, we shouldn't be require a license as we are just providing a safe place for a protected species, a very special God's creation to turn saliva into best health food. It always in our own people in the industry that created this problems and now, we have to live with it. Now, as I see it is that the government doesn't know how to handle us, how to provide license which should be a permit if the swiftlet is a protected specie and now down graded to para protected and so the story goes.

Legalizing BH? That's I still don't understand and begging your pardon. are we are not doing sometime illegal here?????? I strongly accept that we need to attend course to learn the basic knowledge on Swiftlets farming as we are providing a manmade sanctuary and as such, we need to understand their behavior and how to take care of them................ ever since someone among us have started trying to control the industry , we have to follow the rules and guildlines or else we will land ourselves in trouble or even jail.......... so, if the authorities are to provide permit, we will go for it and if they want us to get license, we will do that too......................and if they don't need anything, it is the best..... and infact, it should never require one in the first place ...............do you require those if it's pigeons or swallows and not swiftlets, do you still need license. And if it is a family of rare birds roosting in your house, your house will be a national treasure ......... again, my friends, I sometime talk too much.....a thousand appologies......ww., that's me

[quote=Engineer Lee,Jan 17 2009, 12:50 PM]Hi brother home002200:

I can't see what u have uploaded, coz my company's server filter youtube site.

1) May I know how high is your proposed building?

2) Do u ask structural engineer to design the building? Normally for a 2-3 storeys building, 150mm x 150 mm rc square piles will be used.

3) Have u done any soil test? As u need to do piling, then I presume the bearing capacity of the soil is not sufficient to take the buildng load. That's why you need to pile.

4) Pile to set or not? 1 piling point how many length (1 length I presume is 6m long right?), if 3 length (penetration depth 21-24m) normally for clayey/silty soil u should be able to pile to set. But for sandy base area, u can only drive in 1 length or 2 length the most. Do not over pile for the sandy area, the pile cannot take it, just stop banging when it is set.

5) Who supervise the piling work? Any blow count recorded? U use "A" frame to pile? Is the pile broken? If the pile break, advisable not to use it again. Who is the pile manufacturer? Hume? Normally the pile is printed with the date of casting. Can you check? Normally the premature strength of concrete will cause the pile break. If this is the case, you can claim for replacement from the pile supplier. FYI, concrete gain 90% of its design strength within 28 days. So, please ensure the pile gain its strength before piling is carried out.

6)What is the level the pile crack? Above pile cap level? if above, u need to excavate down a bit to expose the pile and inspect it. If the pile is still in good condition, chances is it may still able to be used (subject to PDA test result or PIT to check any break inside the ground). If it is lower, you have to drive additional pile.

6) If the pile is broken, you need to repile (at a point at least 3 d(width of pile) away from the broken pile) , and for this, you have to do a bigger pile cap to transfer the load. Also you have to ask the engineer to analyse the cg of the pile group and check back the permissible working load of the piles is not exceeded.
U can PM me if want to know more, I am willing to help. Good luck.

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Opp! sorry lah, I forgot that we have an Engineer by the nickname Engineer Lee and hopeful it is Civil or something of that sort that will definitely benefit us alot in the future as in the designs and laws and bylaws. Any form of specialties to asist the needy is deeply appreciated by all as we may not have the problem but we are here to learn. Stay with us as we really need experts like you in the forum....as for me, only a little experiences in Birds ranching to share but treating shaking piles or legs, not my specialty, hahahaha.......a thousand apologies.

Hopefully, you will be able to help the poor guy with the shaking piles as it is what this forum is for.

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Added on January 17, 2009, 5:32 pm[quote=tongserseng,Jan 16 2009, 06:25 PM]
[quote=Engineer Lee,Jan 16 2009, 05:50 PM]
Hi Brother Tong:

No hope for the license liao . I mean license for running the BH in Johor.

I heard the most we can get (in my area) is the approval of the building plan for the standalone BH, and there is on case by case basis. The applicant also should have strong power cable to the top authority and not to mention extra vitamin to refill from time to time. So, normal people like me have to do it submarine, and be watchful of their eyes and ears, but dunno when is my turn to pay summon lah

BTW, may I know since when you start paying the summon?

Can we just keep on paying summon every year? As far as I know, the local council have the right to bring you to court after several time issuing the summons. Correct me if I am wrong.

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Segamat summon rate, Renovation for BH if caught..........RM 250............
And after 6 months operation ............RM 500.............. but if you could meet with Pegawai normally can get RM 250 discount....
After that don know liao ........... cause my BH only 7 months old...............
Feedback from old farmer......... they all pay summon every 6 months for past 4 to 5 year liao never brought to court at all........
Even one BH because too noisy due to timer out of order being tear down 2 times the sound player also still operating the farm after pay the summon ( may be pay more $$$$ lo ), sometime they may give you a break if they temporaly forget about you...
As for MCA lady in Labis being tear down......... don have the feedback le.............


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Pardon me if my lines of questionings or lack of knowledge in the matter and I still would like to ask the following if you think that I am stupid and don't mind if you think so as I wish to learn and if I am really very smart, then I won't ask the following questions and hope that someone will enlighten us on the matter.

1. Was the Association (Country) informed and did they act on the matter which I think require serious attention as it would affect the rest of the states and country.....

2. If so, what were the actions and suggestions given by the Association and I believe that the Segamat has its own Swfitlets Association and didn't they take any action on behalf those "kena" penalties and summons...........or that they are just using the buildings Laws and Bylaws to take action against you..........

3. Like us here when 2 BHs in residence areas were torn down, the State Association complained to us on why we, the local Association didn't prevented the incident and why weren't they informed on the matter before hand. I explained to them that the local authorites have adviced them to submit in their plans but they still didn't, and so they torn down the buildings as they are illegal buildings.In my opinion, even if they applied, the authorities would not permit them from building the BHs in residence areas. So, this has nothing to do with the Swiftlets industry as a whole and we do not understand why the local council in Segamat was issuing sommons but not action taken by the BH owners and the Association not helping either or is there anything we don't know????

My appologies if insulted your intelligent and forgive me due to my lack of knowledge and understandings of the whole situation. My lines of questionings are because whatever happened in Segamat will also affect us sooner or later and if just like virus infection, it must be stop fast and quick. Paying summons and panalties once OK but too many times, are we running Bars or any illegal outlets to deserve such treatment..........I humbly rest my case.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jan 17 2009, 05:32 PM

Just a moment ago, I met a guy who asked about how the swiftlet buz is going and I replied OK, so far so good. He wasn't happy about the birds being in town and tell me that in the end all birds must leave the town as the town was build for human and not birds. Keep your birds away from human being. Bla bla bla about all his coffee is now with bird's shit. I was surprise why didn't he complaint before, there were alot of pigeons around and pigeons shits really kill...

The argument is that if you are not in then you are out.....meaning if you are not a BH owner, you will not like BHs in town. BHs owners need to be careful not to give the lightest or smallest reason to report you to the authorities. Even a cough or a cold........ must be the swiftlets and you can't blame them so try best not to have confrontation or argument over who is right. Explain when needed.... politely.

The only way to be able to stay is to be united and stay united.

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Added on January 18, 2009, 8:43 pmAdakah GEM menjual CD lagu burung walit yang cipta olih GEM dan hebat kah lagu lagu GEM? Boilhkah anda memainkan sedikit diforum untok semua kawan kawan sini. Yang orang kata lagu lagu walit PH hebat sekali tetapi ada kawan cuba disini, tak kena sekali pun..........lagu lagu walit mesti dikena tempat, bukan? Sama dengan orang, ada yang suka lagu P. Ramlee dan ada tidak suka sedikit pun.....Apa pendapat anda dalam pekara ini.



This post has been edited by West Wing: Jan 18 2009, 08:43 PM

Hey bro,

U from Bintulu kah? Or are you looking for a good piece of land to build BH but rather you stay and build in East Malaysia......the authorities here don't use gun and tank and are more friendly.

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Added on January 19, 2009, 6:43 pmAs for my experience and observation, alot of selective nests harvesters may have experiance alot of dead chicks in their BHs during monsoon months if you allow the birds to breed.......as one of my friends told me that his bird house have at least 30 dead chicks on the last count and when asked further, he admitted that he have turned off his humidifiers a week ago.....so the reason being that all of those affected are those who turn off their humidifiers during this time of the year because of the raining days and that cause the chicks to suffer due to lack of moisture and food. The chick can have the soft nest to eat when there is not food coming but if the nest is hard and dry, then they would stave to dead. Parent birds cannot return in time to feed so you must let the humidifier running so that the chick can survice and fledged. This year, mine has only 2 dead and 2 fully fledged birds dead trying to exit using the wrong turn and end up dead at the stairway door. May someone correct me if I am wrong as it is just my observation and everything is base on my little intelligence.

That's why I disagree with most of the experts in the field concerning throwing away all eggs and chicks during the monsoon season (all will die anyway excuses) ........ and with the Chinaman at doorstep asking for pure white; who can resist harvesting except me and some of the poor owners that follow my questionable reasons to ponder. I may be wrong as I am not a scientist or someone doing a thesis for their PHD on swiftlet behaviors.

Oyes, story telling time, yesterday, I went up to do selective harvesting and I found over few hundreds fully fledged birds ready to flly into the new world........as I enter until I finished, almost all has fledged with exception of over 80 nests with chicks or eggs. Nests collected all colors and surely fetch very low price lah......no problem at least I sleep well tonight and every other night....... any buyer out there for color nests with eggs shell and everything nice included but only at.reasonable price, please.......

That's why when I told you that my BHs still have alot of birds returning to roast even during this time of the year although not everyday.. ...again, all above postings are my opinions and experiences and just to share with you on what I think and do....and that others may have their opinions and method of management in this field. Please do share and we all would like to learn.........

Aobve are my humble but truth experience and hopefully, it will help you all to understand the bird better.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jan 20 2009, 06:34 PM

The only differences between a Consultant and here is that with C, you pay and you surely get personal services and on site examination and consultation while here you need to post your problems and we share our experiences with you all FOC. We happily share our experiences, our opinions and our knowledge on swiftlets farming and behavior without any rewards except if you want to buy from something or services from our Sifus here and must remember without any obligation on your part ......hah.ah.aha

Wahai, kawan kawan @ forum, harap jangan ambil sahaja, mau juga beri apa apa bantuan dan kerjasama untok menjayakan industri ini, OK? Lagi kalau boleh, jangan terlalu sebut Melayu ini, Cina itu dan India....baik bukan kita ini semua orang Malaysia yang hendak membinakan industry demi kebaikan semua tanpa mengira Bangsa atau Agama...baharu negara kita sihat dan bebas serta maju..............


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