QUOTE(Jackie11 @ Dec 26 2008, 01:49 PM)
Hi
What's the BN price now in Northern region?
We in Kluang, the price is only RM1900.
What!!!!!!!!! R U sure, cause no way as the lowest that I heard is at Rm2400 for low grade Nests, that's the lowest....atRm1800 price, I will also be interested and will buy a chiller to put all the nest until I get a better price. Better investment that the present share market.
Read the newspaper that the Chinese are buying our nests and the Penang nests processing centres are paying Rm4000 for the nests in KB so where do you get that price or are you one of the buyers trying to put fear in BH owners so that they will throw price just like the share market..........if that's the true, then shame on you, my friend. Now. is the time to put confidence in the price and hold on to a better. Otherwise, if BH owners keep selling at buyers' price, it will keep going down like the share market as the owners will lost the condfidence in the bird nest. Lucas and others have already informed you that buuyers are available and China are looking toward our nests and not Indo nest, so why sell low lah??????
Added on December 27, 2008, 1:30 amQUOTE(Lucas 1 @ Dec 26 2008, 04:44 PM)
SOS! IDEAS NEEDED FROM ALL IN THE SAME BOAT FOR PROPOSAL TO THE AUTHORITY FOR THE PERMANENT WIN-WIN SOLUTION FOR THE INDUSTRY AND ALL AFFECTED PARTIES. 
Dear Engineer Lee,
There is no such ruling in the National Guidelines that requires BH to be done 10 km away from residential area.
Under the NGL, BH can be done in building on agricultural, industrial and commercial land. Only 100% residential houses that serve as 100% human dwellings and living quarters such as apartments, condominium, flats, and residential houses in modern designed housing gardens or estates (Taman-taman) in new townships are strictly prohibited. Shophouse lots on commercial status found in this taman-taman are permitted too. Those semi-residential types in New Villages, pre-war buildings in old townships and buildings found in rural area, which sometimes are not used as 100% residential houses are permitted as well.
As the conversion of these buildings into BHs is growing so fast with many a time, new comers take thing for granted, the new investors fail to address and resolve the environmental problems, such as noise pollutions (75%), illegal extensions plus ugly facades (10%) and hygienic and health issues (10%), etc, created by them. Due to 95% of BH owners don’t live there and also their inconsideration of the welfare of the neighbourhood, complaints to the local councils are thus invited against them. Had the owners also lived or operated business in the same buildings, usually, complaints of this sort are very minimal and can be resolved immediately. Just try to visualise that the timer control of the external sound of a BH opposite your resident where your family live and sleep, is malfunctioned. Instead of 7am-7pm, it becomes 7pm-7am. The owner of the BH only comes once a month to harvest and nobody knows the owner. What would you do? Or how would you react and do even if you yourself are owner of 10 BHs elsewhere? Think, think, think................. Mind you this is only one of the many problems faced in the operation of a BH. It is too lengthy to mention at the moment.
BH operation is a very unique and different from other types of business operation that we know of. The owners of other businesses are usually found in their shops or offices almost daily so any problem or complaints can be resolved immediately without having to complain to the councils. If we can find permanent solution or way of not letting the complaints of our neighbours gone unresolved for days or weeks and reach the council, I think the councils would not give problem to us. Normally, when this sort of complaints reach the council, the council would send staff try to immediately locate the owner. But if the owner cannot be located for weeks, just imagine the mounting pressure faced by the council from the public. This is the main reason why the council or the authority not supportive of this industry and recommend BHs to be ‘shifted’ out to rural.
Don’t keep on blaming the councils or the authorities for not issuing the license or trying to fault finding with us. In fact, if you were to ask me, to be fair, I think we are the ones giving them headache. In order to win the support of the councils and the public, don’t you think that we should be the ones responsible to propose solution to the problems? If we don’t, then the BH owners will eventually be at the losing end.
May I take this opportunity, since the finding of a permanent solution is rather inevitable, imperative and desperate now; invite all of you, who are on the same boat, pool in ideas to be discussed here. Any idea is never a bad idea just as long as it is done with sincerity. More heads is better than one. Who knows and I am sure we can and must find one solution to be proposed to the authority to regulate ourselves for our long term survival with peaceful co-existence with all. Or you want to leave our fate to be decided by others or the authority? I can tell you the best solution suggested by them would be, move out or shut down.
Please don’t be shy to give your idea as soon as possible. We can also talk cock here, just as long as it is not personal or malicious. Any language is appreciated too. We can have it translated if requested.
Hurry! Write in your idea. No one will laugh at you.
Like it or not, there is never a clean BH and worst if the BH is really very successful unless you can teach the birds to use the toilet. The birds shit in the BH and if a few thousand birds even shit once a day, there will be thousands of shits. Maintain a sustainable and acceptable environment is what we can seek and look forward to. Use a buffer zone and clean as often as possible but then that will bring stress to the birds which is against the wildlife act. The local councils "sakit kepala" when dealing with swiftlets problems and I know but then, there is a really a good future in BHs and good areas must be maintain to get good returns; the total income maybe one day be no.1 income for the country. Then again, you move but the birds don't.............. and many people have invested millions and now , total of billion of ringgits into the Industry in the town. Many will become bankrupt if the government don't allow the Industry in Town.
AS I always stress that we need to consider the rights of our neighbors ‘s right too when we are building a BH next to them. Be friendly and be cooperative and understand their feeling but then some are really not so nice and even worse are those who are jealous ….human nature lah.
As I have observe that most of the BHs are in areas that buz are bad or kosong. I won’t want to start a BH if I get good rental for my premises.
The reason why I want to share my experience with all so that all will understand and gain and there are alot of wealth to be share so don't be selfish and greedy. If the location is good, every buildings in the whole street will have birds, lots of birds if every BHs owners allow the birds to breed ......full cycle all year round.....a single BH having 4000 nests will produce in a year not less than 30,000 new birds and what if the street has 10 or 20 0r more, how many new birds will there be and that's why there is no reason that one cannot get birds unless majority owners harvest nest without allowing the bird to breed. When I started my first BH, I told all my neighboring BHs that most of their birds are from my BH as I allow them to breed without destroying even one nest unless by accident. Even during the monsoon time, my birdhouse was still full of nests, some with chicks or eggs and who say that during these time all bird fly away. Nonsense, although more chicks will die during these period but then, most do survive and complete the cycle of life.
Once, I did said that if the town is at good location and full with BHs and are very successful, move the town out to another location….a new township, With the high price one can get from old broken premises from the old swiftlets town, one can buy two new premises in the new township. Who don’t want to move, exchanging old building for new one and even better, one for two.
The very reason that the recent new BHs don't perform are mostly due to the facts that many harvest before the bird lay their eggs and some are even worst, they throw away eggs and chicks and they are no better than the Sarawak foresters as I see. Why and all because of greed as the buyers pay higher price for the pure white nests. I am not condemning the BH owners which I am also one of them but I regret their ways of doing it as religion forbid us from harming the bird and worst because we are suppose to be their protectors. I proudly declare that religion people especially the pious Buddhist can eat my nests as the nests are collected without destroying life which is a sin to the Buddhist.
Above are my own humble comments and views on this topic and many may disagree with me. I have learn to love the Swiftlets as they have given me millions and they only want a place to call HOME.
This post has been edited by West Wing: Dec 27 2008, 01:30 AM 
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