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RM 80 - RM 350...
depends on how many type of sound. Interested to get one?

The CS mating potion is the one to spray on walls and floor(Product code MS-88). Not nesting plank. They have another type specially for nesting plank(code LNP-25). This one only to cover up the newly sawed wood smell. Meranti wood has very little smell but the newly sawed part will have something like burnt smell that swiftlet don't like. The potion is for faster cover up those smell. There is alternative for nesting plank potion. Experienced farmers use the water from soaking bird nest in cleaning process, filter up the feathers then spray the nesting planks with pressure spray. Some of them add those broken pieces of nest that do not have economy value into the water. Boil for few hours until the nest completely melt into the water. Cool down the water and spray on planks where no nest build there before. From experience we know area that already have nests before are easier to have nests build there. So they figure out it's the smell of old nest that attract new birds the build nest in that area.

CS mating potion is NOT ammonia. Ammonia+water only use in new farms to remove cement and other chemical smell like turning new farm into old farm and the price is way cheaper than mating potion. Mating potion=Perangsang walet where they call in Indonesia is a mix of liquid that contain smell swiftlets like.

Myself don't use ammonia for the whole place because my store-room farm is wooden and it's very old. I sprayed a bit ammonia on area I found rat droppings to cover up the smell.

Hi Seeseng.

From where did you buy your ammonia? good?? how much?
My farm have a strong cement smell... i need to cover this up a.s.a.p.
For the MS-88? did you manage to buy it? i call crystal swiftlet up just now...
they say MS-88 is for GRADE A customers and i only entitled for MS-87...
I think i need someone help to buy it...

The ammonia was from Nest Tech. Other farmer bought gave me a little.
Crystal's Grade A customers should be those hire them to be consultant of their farms I think. MSC-87 is older formula potion. For MS-88 you try to ask Sam to buy for you.
Alternatively you may try Nest Tech's potions.
1) Bird environment smell liquid - RM340 / 4 Liter (Extract from bird droppings)
2) Fast grow mating potion RM340/4Liter (Half potion mix half water)
3) Bird Nest hormone Liquid RM280/5Liter (1000ml potion+500ml-800ml water)
4) Bird ammonia - RM220/5L (1000ml ammonia mix 500ml water)

This post has been edited by seeseng: May 9 2007, 02:00 PM

If i spray ammonia then after a month, i spray MSC-87, will the ammonia smell cover the MSC-87 smell??

Other than ammonia, what kind of potion you bought?

Currently I haven't bought any potion. My plank work is still pending. My tukang kayu have undergoing project in hand. Only will come next week. I'm planning to buy the Bird Nest Hormone Liquid from Nest Tech as it has most of the characteristic of the other potions. For my farm size 1 bottle should last 3-4 months.

This post has been edited by seeseng: May 10 2007, 01:15 PM

I just call NestTech regarding the hormone.
The price is RM280 / 4.5 liter.

Comparing Crystal Swiftlet MSC-87 and NestTech hormone, which you think more powerful?

Hi Weihowe,

The CS Mating Potion that I use in my farm is not ammonia based. According to the guys at Crystal Swiftlets, the potion is made up of totally herbal and organic base ingredients. It's a patented product from their partner company in Thailand and it's not supposed to contain anything chemical at all or else it will be quite harmful to swiftlets.

I do know what you mean about ammonia solutions that are being sold in the market nowadays. My friend bought a few bottles and used it in his farm, totally terrible. The solution really hurts the eyes, and if we feel the effects, I'm quite sure that swiftlets will feel it too... although I don't have any documentary evidence to prove so... hehe.

Just ask them for the CS Mating Potion... it's to be sprayed on the walls to age the cement and make the new swiftlet farm feel like a natural old habitat to the swiftlets. From the performance of my farms, it really helps. It's not for the nesting planks, the smell is too strong. You should use the nesting plank solution from Crystal Swiftlets instead for this purpose.

Regards,
Sam

Hi Sam

Does MSC-87 is made of herbal stuff and organic stuff as well?
cos we can't buy MS-88...

Have you done swiftlet counting in the early morning that come out from the entrance? You'll need the few days result in order to decide what to do next. The potion thing won't work if the basics are not achieved. Such as proper sound, interior designs, temperature etc. What I can tell you is there are very successful example and not so successful example of potion users. There's 1 long term farmer. Increase the bird stay from 50 to 700 in 9 months time with CS mating potion. There's another one after spraying potion, swiftlet stay become lesser. There's another one used it for a few months. His result is "no significant increase" as the company who's selling it claim "500% increase"

This post has been edited by seeseng: May 12 2007, 09:21 AM

i never count in in the early morning...but my bro-in-law does that once during the first 2 weeks when the farm is operate.
For the sound, i have no idea whether is a good sound or not cos i have no extra sounds but it can attract the birds.
For the interior design such as flying path and roving area shouldn't be any major problems...
For the tempreature, i think i need to do some minor adjustments cos my 2nd floor and 3rd floor temp is not same...
From what you say... "There's another one after spraying potion, swiftlet stay become lesser"
do you have any idea why it will become lesser after spray?? i'm abit interested on this...

Swifbuild power1

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Early morning entrance bird count is one of the method of bird couting without the need to enter the farm for base/nest counting or droppings couting. Even we enter the farm after the birds go out. Will still leave our human scent in the farm that make new coming birds feel uneasy. It's fact that only 30%-33% of staying birds build nests. For example 100 birds staying will have about 30-33 nests. Sometimes the numbers won't match maybe you have 200 staying birds but nests built only 30. In this case mean you have a lot of so call "lonely birds".
Definition of "Lonely Birds" :-
1)Birds not mature enaugh to mate yet.
2) Birds haven't found the right partner yet.
3) Birds that partner died or MIA (Swiftlets are lifetime soul mate)
4) Too old bird they stop breeding.

In case number 2 some said the use of mating potion will make them feel the need to find a partner fast. (According to mating potion sellers lah)

Temperature not same for 2 floors is consider normal. Lower floor will sure have lower temperature. The floor that taking direct sun light from the top will be hotter. As long as you can maintain below 30 degree during hottest time of the day should be ok.

The swiftlet become lesser case is results compared within one same week. I've read back the progress of the farm. It's steadily increasing now but 500% seems like a dream. Hard to achieve in real life.

This post has been edited by seeseng: May 14 2007, 11:45 AM

Nowdays suddenly my town has increased alot of farms...
So i need something special which is different from others...
They are still using old technologies and thats why i think of the potion...i wanna be different.
Besides that, soon there will be alot of young birds flying out and i think is a good chance for me to "steal" the birds...

Hi Swifbuild welcome to the forum. Feel free to discuss whatever topic regarding swiftlet farming here.
For suitable nesting planks material there should come with these characteristics:

1)Ordorless. Flavourless (This is why meranti is preferred)
2)Softer density
3) Dry
4) Rough surface
5) Darker colour prefered

In major meranti divided into 2 types. Land meranti and swampy meranti (meranti bakau). Only meranti grow on land is suitable for nesting plank. The most commonly used meranti for nesting plank in Malaysia should be "Meranti Kepong". Low density, light weight low land meranti.
Meranti seraya - Too expensive, too heavy, too hard. Good for furniture.
I have a chart of meranti by FRIM HERE.

My farm is using meranti bukit. Personally I'm not satisfied with the rather high density. But it's the most commonly used nesting plank material here in Terengganu. The plank supplier tailored all the meranti bukit wood into nesting planks with 8 shallow grooves. Price rather high @RM2.6K-2.7K / ton. The good thing about meranti bukit is it's very durable.

Most common size for nesting plank is 6" wide 1" think wood. I found that if we combine 2 x 3" wide 1" think wood into normal 6"w 1" wood we can save up to RM300 to RM500 / ton. Just the builder will need to do a bit more work. I've seen 2 farms own by the plank supplier use that. It works the same like 6" plank. With average farm size of 2.5 ton / floor can save more than RM1K already.
Another alternative way of saving $ is to get 0.7"(7hoon) thick wood rather than 1". It's thinner, lighter and cheaper. Light weight wood has the advantage of one day when farm 100% occupied. Can add expansion planks below existing planks for more rooms. In Indonesia over 10 years farms normally use this expansion method call terrace plank/pyramidal plank/staircase plank. Up to 5 levels of planks depending on the height of room.

Insecticide treated nesting plank. Should replace them with new planks or you're just wasting time. Even swiftlet mating potion not allowed to spray on nesting planks. It's the place featherless babies stay for 38-45 days before it can fly. Aerodramus Fuciphagus has very sensitive sense of smell. They won't build nest on planks that may potentially harm their babies.


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same old story , same birds

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http://www.sinchew.com.my/content.phtml?se...id=200705092140

News about Taman Sri Inderapura resident complain on bird chirping sound war. Keep increasing the volume will not help you lure more birds. I've seen 2 cases of volume at entrance hole too loud(new farms). The birds fly near the hole and turned away! After I asked the owner to turn down the volume the next day a few birds did go in to explore the farm.

Hi Seeseng,

I heard the regulations & restrictions itoday too. Its for Pahang. I guess farming in fact still better done on rural area as it has more vegetation. Do you know how much it cost to employ carpenter to do the nesting plank?

regards

Not only your town, swiftlet farming suddenly blooming nationwide. Sadly many of them are not following the rules and regulations that results in problems to the neighbourhood.

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Added on May 16, 2007, 1:47 amThat farm in the picture is in Indonesia. It's a 12 years farm with over 10kg harvest EVERY MONTH! Yup, it's 5 layers of planks. It's a swiftlet condominium.

Can you describe some about your shop to be converted into swiftlet farm? Concrete or wooden? What type of ceiling? Not many out there daring enaugh to DIY their farm. I'm DIY to save cost and not to rely solely on consultants. Most consultants charge very high price. Your friend's farm after 2 years got 40 nests is 40 nests every month? Or The whole 2 years time only harvested 40 nests?

How they install the nesting planks depend on the type of ceiling. Mostly all I've seen use L shaped steel with 2 drilled hole to screw on the planks then another side screw on the ceiling. Concrete ceiling will be easier as you can drill hole any where u like. Put a plastic/wooden wall plug in the drilled hole then screw in. Wooden ceiling like mine is those with 4'x4' ceiling boards. Can only screw on the ceiling board frames. I bought a battery operated drill for the job. Can drill holes and use to screw in the screws fast.

Forget about nail-gun. You can't find it locally because it's illegal in Malaysian law. Even painball guns and BB bullet gun considered illegal in Malaysia. Paintball guns need fire-arm license to own by personal. The reason is it can cause injury. Not to mention nail-gun can kill. Just get a drill set with include screw driver heads will do the job well.

My farm is still under construction. My tukang kayu got jobs in hand. Waited 1 month for them. Today is the 2nd day they install the nesting planks. I only hire them to install nesting planks and build the dog kennel entrance on the roof. Others I DIY myself including plumbing jobs, sound system and CCTV. Actually I've planned for 2 years before I started the renovation. Within these period I spent time observing other farms, follow the swiftlets to see where they find food, where their routes to return hme and collectiong bird chirping CDs.

Since you're DIY your first phase should be farm design and costing calculation. Entrance hole, roving area and nesting area. If you're digging 4" pipe holes for ventilation remember not to make visible holes in front of the building. You might having trouble for licence approval later. For 20'x70' you'll need more than 1.5 ton depending on the distance of each planks. Mine started with 14" on the first day then 2nd day I asked them to use 16" distance.

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Added on May 16, 2007, 1:48 amMy carpenter is rather cheap. RM100/day for 2 people working 9am-5pm. That's why I need to wait them for a month to come. They're freelance carpenters without company.

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