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yscagro
post Jun 25 2008, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Jun 25 2008, 01:16 PM)
From my humble point of view, if your lower floor attract lesser birds, you have some problem with the lower floor because bird tend to like lower floor cause the temperature is more stable and never too extreme.  Initial few nest maybe on the upper floor because it is brighter and feel safer due to new surrounding but gradually, they will go down to be safer as darkness is to their advantage. Yes, they play in the top floor and who doesn't, what fun to play in the dark unless you are playing hide and seek, Ha Ha Ha

Nine months ago, I have  a option to buy one of 2 BHs and one having 80+ nest on the lower floor and 10 on the upper floor and the other, having 4 in the lower floor and 50+ in the upper floor. I choose the one with 4 in the lower floor although the BH is the same price because I have the confidence that I will be able to make the lower floor better than the top floor when I solve the problem and the other BH is normal in to my belief.  Guess what, I am lucky,  after  6 months, I have 100+ in the upper floor and 600+ in the lower floor. Am I lucky, Am I lucky and I must be lucky.

Nothing to do with the lighting, maybe the entrance, temperature or humidity  or smell problem. Check them out and I maybe wrong and I am still learning to be better and better by trial and error and  to learn from you all each time I go on internet . Hopefully, those with good results will share their knowhows and experiences.

Lastly, me no sifu, just Swftlet ranger ana a lone ranger Ha Ha Ha
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agree with wat u say west wing....nth to do with lighting....so, chenghun...figure out what wrong and update us!
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post Jun 25 2008, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(yscagro @ Jun 25 2008, 02:24 PM)
agree with wat u say west wing....nth to do with lighting....so, chenghun...figure out what wrong and update us!
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Hi All,

Really appreciate for all comments from Sifu ;-)

Well, I will check and hope will improve the ground floor soon and update all of your once success ;-)

Many thanks, cheers

Added on June 25, 2008, 3:26 pm
QUOTE(West Wing @ Jun 25 2008, 01:16 PM)
From my humble point of view, if your lower floor attract lesser birds, you have some problem with the lower floor because bird tend to like lower floor cause the temperature is more stable and never too extreme.  Initial few nest maybe on the upper floor because it is brighter and feel safer due to new surrounding but gradually, they will go down to be safer as darkness is to their advantage. Yes, they play in the top floor and who doesn't, what fun to play in the dark unless you are playing hide and seek, Ha Ha Ha

Nine months ago, I have  a option to buy one of 2 BHs and one having 80+ nest on the lower floor and 10 on the upper floor and the other, having 4 in the lower floor and 50+ in the upper floor. I choose the one with 4 in the lower floor although the BH is the same price because I have the confidence that I will be able to make the lower floor better than the top floor when I solve the problem and the other BH is normal in to my belief.  Guess what, I am lucky,  after  6 months, I have 100+ in the upper floor and 600+ in the lower floor. Am I lucky, Am I lucky and I must be lucky.

Nothing to do with the lighting, maybe the entrance, temperature or humidity  or smell problem. Check them out and I maybe wrong and I am still learning to be better and better by trial and error and  to learn from you all each time I go on internet . Hopefully, those with good results will share their knowhows and experiences.

Lastly, me no sifu, just Swftlet ranger ana a lone ranger Ha Ha Ha
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Hi West Wing,

Wow, after six months got such a significant improvement, mind to share what have you done for this great improvement, really hope you can share as I really want to improve mine leh smile.gif

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post Jun 25 2008, 04:10 PM

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yea. i would desperately want to know what you did to ur BH too westwing....smile.gif
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post Jun 25 2008, 06:13 PM

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QUOTE(yscagro @ Jun 25 2008, 04:10 PM)
yea. i would desperately want to know what you did to ur BH too westwing....smile.gif
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While we desperately wait for pieces of advise from sifu2 here (from Seeseng, Swiftbuild, West Wing and others) , I can give my 1 cent worth of advise:

1. Swiftlets book, seminars and SMC forum,

In my humble opinion, it is advisable to have a book on swiftlets farming if we are serious in the business. Even though the book is very basic, we my miss and overlook some of very basics in the swiftlets farming. Same goes with seminars. again it is basic for some but it is worth the money if you DIY or you hire a consultant or at at least for networking.

2. Kelvin Heng order

I went to his office last 2 weeks to accompany my friend for a discussion on some of his proposal, I understand now why your order is still outstanding as he is a very busy man now. He only managed to meet my fren for oly 5-10 minutes only. Fyi, he is currently embarking big project on swiftlets eco park in Kuala Krai project and other big projects in the pipelines too.

So some of ouf fren who aleady paid him money, good luck and pls do frequent follow up to get your order delivered.


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post Jun 25 2008, 07:38 PM

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QUOTE(zar7677 @ Jun 25 2008, 06:13 PM)
While we desperately wait for pieces of advise from sifu2 here (from Seeseng, Swiftbuild, West Wing and others) , I can give my 1 cent worth of advise:

1. Swiftlets book, seminars and SMC forum,

In my humble opinion, it is advisable to have a book on swiftlets farming if we are serious in the business. Even though the book is very basic, we my miss and overlook some of very basics in the swiftlets farming. Same goes with seminars. again it is basic for some but it is worth the money if you DIY or you hire a consultant or at at least for networking.  

2. Kelvin Heng order

I went to his office last 2 weeks to accompany my friend for a discussion on some of his proposal,  I understand now why your order is still outstanding as he is a very busy man now.  He only managed to meet my fren for oly 5-10 minutes only. Fyi, he is currently embarking big project on swiftlets eco park in Kuala Krai project and other big projects in the pipelines too. 

So some of ouf fren who aleady paid him money, good luck and pls do frequent follow up to get your order delivered.
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I really and truly agree with you that we need to read books on swiftlets farming and to attend frequent seminars to keep us up to date. Also, senior rangers like me (mind you not old) tend to forget the very basic and often overlook need the seminars, too. Young ones have no choice but to read and learn thru experience and mistakes and that where seminars conducted by the experts held you in solving your problems before it even happen. Not need for trial and error like us before; I always say that the young generation is much better and easier than us. We suffer and they learn from our mistakes. We suffer and they gain but no pain no gain.

Kelvin,

you be good and prove them wrong....................I hope. Don't forget about me again, pls...............................

Added on June 25, 2008, 9:07 pmMy ways...............want to but cannot tell because it too conservative and unthinkable for the new world of high tech and advance methods of swiftlets ranching.

That's the reason for me to join in the forum and learn new ways of farming and along the way add a little of what I think I know to help if possible without hurting anyone or any group of experts by my old ways.

Old habits hard to get rid off and maybe shall attend some new refreshment courses but then my method is dirt cheap or shit cheap hahahaha

Coming to the new ways of swiftlets ranching (new and no more old farming), anyone want to sell his books or perfume or aroma or anything and need an agent, I maybe one provided that I get good monies of course.

I am good in selling and many BH newbies come to me for method to start a BH and I often recommend them to consultants I know....................no without any commission mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Not that I am selfish but I am outdated and a consultant need alot of time and effort to help uou to be successful. Me, I just try to give alittle advice and it's free ok ok ok sometime coffee and maybe with some roti telor.

As some consultants pointed out that old ways cannot work in the new world where there are so many BHs trying to lure the Birds .............sometime more difficult than trying to lure the SYT next door.

Later I will tell you how if everyone cooperate and learn to share the birds and that there will be no shortage of birds to share. How to start a successful BH, we leave them to the new qualified trained educated experienced consultants.



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post Jun 25 2008, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(zar7677 @ Jun 25 2008, 06:13 PM)
While we desperately wait for pieces of advise from sifu2 here (from Seeseng, Swiftbuild, West Wing and others) , I can give my 1 cent worth of advise:

1. Swiftlets book, seminars and SMC forum,

In my humble opinion, it is advisable to have a book on swiftlets farming if we are serious in the business. Even though the book is very basic, we my miss and overlook some of very basics in the swiftlets farming. Same goes with seminars. again it is basic for some but it is worth the money if you DIY or you hire a consultant or at at least for networking. 

2. Kelvin Heng order

I went to his office last 2 weeks to accompany my friend for a discussion on some of his proposal,  I understand now why your order is still outstanding as he is a very busy man now.  He only managed to meet my fren for oly 5-10 minutes only. Fyi, he is currently embarking big project on swiftlets eco park in Kuala Krai project and other big projects in the pipelines too. 

So some of ouf fren who aleady paid him money, good luck and pls do frequent follow up to get your order delivered.
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Hi zar,

well, indeed too busy to kept up with my order....now would like to burn all cd and gave free for whoever want to collect from my office l;orr

Guys....sorry arrr and for the one you posted earl about my cd ...all have receive it....

Thanks

Kelvin heng
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post Jun 26 2008, 12:14 AM

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i dont mind learning the old style way west wing.....
no matter old or new way, as long as the way works, its a good way!!!
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post Jun 26 2008, 10:09 AM

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i dont mind learning the old style way west wing.....
no matter old or new way, as long as the way works, its a good way!!!
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I HOPE MY BLOG WOULD HELP THOSE WHO NEED INFO ABOUT SWIFTLET FARMING. icon_rolleyes.gif

BE IT NEWBIES, THOSE HAVE JUST STARTED FARMS OR THOSE WHO ARE VERY SUCCESSFUL IN FARMING. smile.gif

Well should you all need info u could always email me or call me directly, anyway its ALL FREE
ADVISE. thumbup.gif

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post Jun 26 2008, 10:38 AM

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Very simple tasks such as CD duplicating, files copying can take months still haven't settled? How much time these simple tasks need you know I know lah. Need to sit there waiting for it to finish? CD duplicating cannot pre-copied and keep stock? Scare not fresh ar? So many people keep waiting and keep following up, calling some a bit lucky get a new promise but mostly end up in empty promise. Some even want to do police report. Money want to receive fast fast. Easy job few months also cannot do. Like that how to handle big project? This kind of business attitute already been practicing long time ago. Long before the big project thing ever exist. e.g. Took up to a week a courier pakage haven't being received. When follow up said already sent. Another follow up ask for address again. Next follow up said mistakenly sent to other addresses. Someone with multiple identities online and even multiple identities in real life. Can be trusted or not? You know we got the internet. The victims can easily contact each others nowadays. 1 victim can know what happened to the other victims. One thing in common is the ability of very good in convincing his victims. Such as fully return on investment in 3 years. How high price raw nests and processed nests can be sold. For newbies sure got attracted by the high prices. For that price of raw nests would require pretty less feather super size cup shape nests in egg throwing cycle. How many below 5 years birdhouse can do that? How many corner nests have to "makan sendiri"? Price of processed nests is retail price selling in China. In reality even price of processed red nests exported by local processors can only fetch about half the stated price. Multiple identities sometimes potrayed as learner in progress of building BH, sometimes as newbie BH owner operating a Miri BH, sometimes as CON-sultant. Not to mention multiple mobile phone numbers have to be use by different identities. How the multiple identity got exposed? There was an email sent to a sifu with new learner name at the bottom but mistakenly used the email account of identity as CON-sultant fully stated in the email address.
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QUOTE(BSLEE79 @ Jun 26 2008, 10:38 AM)
Very simple tasks such as CD duplicating, files copying can take months still haven't settled? How much time these simple tasks need you know I know lah. Need to sit there waiting for it to finish? CD duplicating cannot pre-copied and keep stock? Scare not fresh ar? So many people keep waiting and keep following up, calling some a bit lucky get a new promise but mostly end up in empty promise. Some even want to do police report. Money want to receive fast fast. Easy job few months also cannot do. Like that how to handle big project? This kind of business attitute already been practicing long time ago. Long before the big project thing ever exist.  e.g. Took up to a week a courier pakage haven't being received. When follow up said already sent. Another follow up ask for address again. Next follow up said mistakenly sent to other addresses.  Someone with multiple identities online and even multiple identities in real life. Can be trusted or not? You know we got the internet. The victims can easily contact each others nowadays. 1 victim can know what happened to the other victims.  One thing in common is the ability of very good in convincing his victims. Such as fully return on investment in 3 years. How high price raw nests and processed nests can be sold. For newbies sure got attracted by the high prices. For that price of raw nests would require pretty less feather super size cup shape nests in egg throwing cycle. How many below 5 years birdhouse can do that? How many corner nests have to "makan sendiri"? Price of processed nests is retail price selling in China. In reality even price of processed red nests exported by local processors can only fetch about half the stated price. Multiple identities sometimes potrayed as learner in progress of building BH, sometimes as newbie BH owner operating a Miri BH, sometimes as CON-sultant. Not to mention multiple mobile phone numbers have to be use by different identities. How the multiple identity got exposed? There was an email sent to a sifu with new learner name at the bottom but mistakenly used the email account of identity as CON-sultant fully stated in the email address.
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AIYOOO..! MR. BSLEE TAKE IT EASY ,AFTERWARD BLOOD PRESURE GOES UP. I really simpathy with you guys lah. sweat.gif

OK..OK..OK. IF YOU WANT GOOD CDS SOUND PLEASE CONTACT ME LAH. NO NEED TO BE SO 'SUSAH" visit my blog all my contact is there OK..OK...OK...the CDS will reach you next day. TAKE IT EASY . whistling.gif

So you learn yr leason then next time know what to do lah.

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http://www.swifletfarmer.blogspot.com
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post Jun 26 2008, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(seeseng @ Jun 23 2008, 11:19 PM)
Your membership for which SMC? The old one at Google groups or http://swiftletmclub.12.forumer.com ? Had my membership at the new SMC since 15 Oct 2007. Membership was suspended on 30 Jan 2008 until today because in order to activate membership forum owner request members to email him personal photo. Personally don't think that's necessary so my membership still suspeded. The old SMC still fuction for me but it's already like a ghost cowboy town forum. Too many rules and regulations don't you think? Hey it's the internet. What for so conservative? Why can't it be like KPW Indonesia?  yawn.gif
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hi SeeSeng

I bought the hygrostat from you & it stopped working after less than 3 months of using it. You told me that there is no warranty and I have not been able to have find someone who can fix it. Can you tell me who can fix this type of equipment ?

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QUOTE(KELVINHENG @ Jun 25 2008, 10:53 PM)
Hi zar,

well, indeed too busy to kept up with my order....now would like to burn all cd and gave free for whoever want to collect from my office l;orr

Guys....sorry arrr and for the one you posted earl about my cd ...all have receive it....

Thanks

Kelvin heng
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Thanks, Kelvin and I sincerely hope to receive mine, too.
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QUOTE(swifbuild @ Jun 26 2008, 12:18 PM)
AIYOOO..! MR. BSLEE TAKE IT EASY ,AFTERWARD BLOOD PRESURE GOES UP. I really simpathy with you guys lah.  sweat.gif

OK..OK..OK. IF YOU WANT GOOD CDS SOUND PLEASE CONTACT ME LAH. NO NEED TO BE SO 'SUSAH"  visit my blog all my contact is there OK..OK...OK...the CDS will reach you next day. TAKE IT EASY . whistling.gif 

So you learn yr leason then next time know what to do lah.

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are you trying to say u giving free swiftlet CDs???
hehehehe
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QUOTE(yscagro @ Jun 26 2008, 07:13 PM)
are you trying to say u giving free swiftlet CDs???
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We also spend dam lots of money on cds sound initially. Buying from consultant, indonesia,etc

Paying thru our nose ,pay to learned. sad.gif At that time where got blog like

http://www.swiftletfarmer.blogspot.com to give free info? All if info are chargeble man.Now
so much free info. From eggs to birds! drool.gif

reasonable price lah. cheaper than market icon_idea.gif

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Added on June 26, 2008, 8:31 pm
QUOTE(yscagro @ Jun 13 2008, 09:55 PM)
what you all will react if you are in this situation see-ing this!!!

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You get this picture from KPW? icon_idea.gif

Added on June 26, 2008, 8:35 pm
QUOTE(West Wing @ Jun 14 2008, 12:36 PM)
From my humble view, you are playing DC bird call.
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YSCARGO...u get this picture from KPW? icon_idea.gif You get from there or Kpw get from you,so who is who...? yousaid the birds catching termite after rain.. so it must be yr farm..or you are Marvin from indonesia? As I know the picture is from Leo n Marvin

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waT???? is my pic !!....where u saw that??? ^%#$@*....i should hav water mark it....
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QUOTE(yscagro @ Jun 27 2008, 12:47 AM)
waT???? is my pic !!....where u saw that??? ^%#$@*....i should hav water mark it....
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Well in this case lots of people is reading Lowyat forum then... wink.gif
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QUOTE(swifbuild @ Jun 27 2008, 10:36 AM)
Well in this case lots of people is reading Lowyat forum then... wink.gif
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but how come u so sure saying that ur fren Leo and Mervin owns dat pic??
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hi SeeSeng

I bought the hygrostat from you & it stopped working after less than 3 months of using it. You told me that there is no warranty and I have not been able to have find someone who can fix it. Can you tell me who can fix this type of equipment ?

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Hi again SeeSeng

thank you for your email and your suggestions to address this issue. I hope we can have this sorted out as soon as possible.

MP Chow
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QUOTE(handave33 @ Sep 12 2007, 02:30 PM) "Hari Ini Dalam Sejarah"

Hi seeseng and swifbuild,
I had been missing for a long time in this forum due to busy with work, How are you guys lately and btw how is your farm doing swifbuild? How many nest alr?

I set up 1 in Miri last one and half  months ago but no nest yet but got bird dropping at leat 3 -5  ....Only fly in no progress yet .....Any idea how to make them breed faster as i know this season is the best .

My shop lot size are 22 x 80, rolving i make 22 x 15.Rest is nesting area.
My temperature now showing 29-32, Got two humidifier and i am using cd from Nest tech, external & internal..I bought it for RM 250. It is a good cd?

Well, i know swifbuild you always not going to share about cd exchange, and here i am not asking you to give to exchange cd with me as u said i can bought it since i go here and there for seminar, correct me if i am wrong, Previous forum you also change your RM 2 K with ppl and why you are so selective about who to send?

We here to share ideas and experience and i do understand you also ask lots of question to improve yourself. not in this forum but other forum too, so again i am serious about understanding Swiftlet farming just like you do...AND again you say i know very little about this industry...well i admit it and after i read thru all your advise , question, i do feel that you also learning.....Rite?

Again, if you don't like me then i am sorry you feel that way.I here not too say thing about you, but just want to remind you , i had nothing against you and i read what you wrote and advise given...and i did learn something from there....So if i did anything wrong to you or hurt your feeling without me knowing then i apologize....

Sorry Guys....for pointing my view like this to swifbuild....this is just to clear thing out.....!

So my apologize to you if i do anthing wrong...n carry on with our knowledge of swiftlet farming.....

Best regards

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Welcome ! rclxms.gif

There are lots of infomation in my blog. Hope it is useful to you.

Feel free to visit my blog. smile.gif

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