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post Aug 17 2020, 01:58 AM

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Was looking for cordless power drill for some drill on tile to install curtain rails, some hanger on the door/ wall perhaps maybe some concrete. Once housework done maybe use to unscrew some motorcycle nuts and etc. Now looking on Bosch GSB120-LI.. Does it able full fill my work..?

Shoppe/Lazada selling set with 2x battery comes with some drill around Rm300.. possible ACEware/Hardware shop will be cheaper?

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post Aug 19 2020, 01:00 AM

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Was looking for cordless power drill for some drill on tile to install curtain rails, some hanger on the door/ wall perhaps maybe some concrete or drill some mosaic / tiles . Now looking on Bosch GSB120-LI.. Does it able full fill my work easily..?


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post Aug 19 2020, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Aug 19 2020, 08:30 AM)
Sure it will do the job. Just use tile bit for tile and masonry for wall for best result.

Talking about wall, I meant cement layer brick wall. Concrete is something different. It is not easy to drill with this impact drill. As you know concrete is mix of cement and gravel stones. If the drill bit lands on hard stone, you need more than sweat to drill through if it moves.  laugh.gif  Concrete need rotary hammer type  smile.gif

If you are not much into concrete but more on house wall (not beam or column), then the one you choose will be just fine. Do consider GSR 18V-50 too. More up to date brushless motor but about twice the price.
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Ok noted smile.gif
Actually I also considering the GSR 18V-50 as they now doing promotion with Extra battery and Bosch drill bits for RM420..
For tile drill, usually choose which mm is the best? About the wall plug wood or plastic better?

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post Aug 19 2020, 12:07 PM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Aug 19 2020, 12:03 PM)
Plastic or wood(?) does not matter I think. I think the plug is made of jute until now plastic become common.

My plug fit nicely with 6mm concrete drill and so I have the 6mm tile bit as well.  smile.gif
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Ok (y) Now stuck between GSB120LI, GSR18V-50 and GSB180LI XD
GSB120LI battery seems cheaper in case I want to replace in future.
GSR and GSB shares the same battery but performance dunno which is better and best for bucks XD
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post Aug 19 2020, 01:15 PM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Aug 19 2020, 12:32 PM)
It is said that

Model no's - GSR means the tool is drive and drill, while GSB means its these and hammer mode. However the GSR18V-50 data mentioned about impact drilling  rclxub.gif

I'm no Bosch expert here. I know we have people well verse on Bosch, but I'd choose 18V system.

Do't need to think much. In future you would not replace, but buy additional  laugh.gif
Let see what others said.....
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Ya la..that is why GSR18V-50 has hammer mode i also feel pelik..haha..so now is battle of 12V and 18V XD
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post Aug 20 2020, 01:06 AM

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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Aug 19 2020, 04:15 PM)
Your wall is made of concrete/AAC blocks (usually condos) or clay/sand bricks (usually older landed)
good for brick wall only, not good for concrete, you take 5-10 mins per hole security will come and check on you.
The hole need to match your screw size and wall plug size. typically 5.5mm or 6.0mm. Wood better.
Plastic one easy to pull out whilst wood one expands like a faux sleeve anchor and gives a stronger bite.
GSR = R for reversible
GSB = B for bang (impact function)
the hammer mode is weak and only for brick walls. Rotary hammer strongly recommended for concrete wall.

How to tell the difference?

Rotary hammer
usually use SDS+ (slotted) drill bits.
Spec sheet will indicate impact energy in Joules.
Starts from 149 for corded no name ones, 3xx for corded stanley SHR263, around 4xx for bosch GBH180-LI or 2-24/makita HR2470/hitachi [tool only for cordless - no battery/corded]. Hitachi one only rm345 hitachi rotary hammer

Impact drill/"drill w/hammer mode" stuff usually much cheaper (from 40 to 300 bucks) and use round shank bits. Spec sheet will say many tens of thousands of bpm (beats per minute).
18V tools are more useful coz more powerful, but if you're only using the drill driver for LIGHT DUTY wood/metal/small wall plug on brick walls, you can consider 12V coz its lighter.

Can also consider getting one corded rotary hammer [value for money powerful for concrete] + one cordless drill driver [for use as cordless screwdriver].
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The wall I not sure is made of concrete/AAC blocks... How to tell the differences?
The Looking for cordless cause easy to bring here there.. I mainly use to drill some hole for TV bracket, cloth hanger behind to door and maybe in some tiles to install some toilet cabinet.
Just worry that GSB120LI able to do this work but take alot effort...GSB180LI for sure better choice and around 100 extra compare with GSB120LI..
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post Aug 20 2020, 08:10 PM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Aug 20 2020, 09:08 AM)
Most wall is red clay brick, cement brick or AAC block. If you share wall with neighbor, special brick is used that withstands higher temperature.

AAC block (though called concrete) is not a load bearing material. It is even softer than normal brick. You can even screw direct on it. Concrete is normally the beam and column of the house.

I'd go with the 18V which has more power. Since it is multi purpose and can be used as driver, being battery operated is something handy. If you need a rotary hammer in future a cheaper corded model is suffice since it is more occasionally used (unless you become pro)  laugh.gif
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Ok smile.gif If that is the case I might just buy GSB120LI for normal drill (Wall,Brick and etc definitely not fan hock and etc.) and corded rotary hammer for serious drill!!
Thanks bro!
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post Oct 5 2020, 12:22 AM

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Have a very hard time to drill a hole in my bath mosaic using GSB120LI.. I using the cement drill bit and set into impact mode, speed 1 and maximum power but after few trying it only able drill the base of the mosaic .... do I need a drill that for Mosaic... or GSB120LI not recommended to do it?
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post Oct 5 2020, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Oct 5 2020, 08:18 AM)
Drilling using impact mode will increase the chance of breaking the mosaic (Not sure if you are referring to normal ceramic tile or that small 1 inch square mosaic  smile.gif )

For ceramic tile, you should use drill bit for ceramic (spade shape), not the cement/concrete drill bit.

Here are good guide:




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Hi, i referring to ceramic tile.. sorry that I tot all is called mosaic sad.gif
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post Oct 5 2020, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Oct 5 2020, 11:50 AM)
Mosaic means a pattern or picture made using many small pieces of colored stone or glass  smile.gif

Yes.... usually that small 1"x1" porcelain pcs popular in 70's is referred as mosaic. Sometime I also confused which is which between porcelain and ceramic.  laugh.gif  Ceramic is usually used for bathroom wall and porcelain which is harder is used for flooring.
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Ya, the is ceramic smile.gif I guess have to invest 1 more drill bit for Ceramic sad.gif Cause I feel the power is there but cant pass thru..
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post Oct 5 2020, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Oct 5 2020, 11:58 AM)
It is soft but using drill hammering mode can break it. The spade shaped drill bit  can easily drill through and once reached cement, changed to masonry bit.

If you find it is hard make bit stay in same place during initial drill due to slippery surface, it is suggested that you put a tape (either masking or electrical tape. I just lightly use nail and hammer it lightly to chip the surface a bit before drilling. Just hammer it light not to break the tile.  laugh.gif
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Okies smile.gif I did hammer it light to make some dent on it then use it as start point to drill..Later will try again after I buy the ceramic drill bit.
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post Oct 5 2020, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(chamelion @ Oct 5 2020, 12:29 PM)
Use ceramic bit. Run slow and drip a bit water during drill will help preserve the bit. Never use impact for tiles.
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Okies, impact just wall the wall / cement right?
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post Oct 14 2020, 12:43 AM

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QUOTE(shyan90's @ Oct 5 2020, 01:05 PM)
Okies, impact just wall the wall / cement right?
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Finally able drill an hole on ceramic after I purchase the correct drill using GSB120LI... around 1 minute plus for an ceramic hole....to me is not bad for cordless drill.
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post Oct 17 2020, 08:49 AM

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QUOTE(sgpdsmss @ Oct 14 2020, 07:55 AM)
ceramic tiles ? got any crack beside the hole ?
wat drill bit you used ?
thanks ..
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Ceramic Drill bit. Previously I use concrete drill bit and it is night mare :/ Drill for 30 second straight just small dent on it.
No crack on the ceramic.
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post Nov 26 2020, 12:03 PM

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Dear Sifu...need some suggestion... I prepare to drill few hole on the brick wall to install the wall bracket for TV and WALL hole to hang my TV cabinet.(Ikea Type) may i know which size of hole i should drill in order to hold the weight? (Totally no idea..) And for the wall plug, shall I use the heavy duty 1? (Those who hang the fan)
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post Nov 26 2020, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Nov 26 2020, 12:12 PM)
The size of hole is the size of the wall bracket hole bolt that you are going to use obviously.

Does your brackets comes with bolt and nuts? The weight is lateral to the bolt direction. So, not too much chance that the bolt will slide out. Anyway, TV nowadays is not heavy like few years before  smile.gif
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The main concent is the Ikea tv cabinet...din come with the bolt at all :/
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post Nov 26 2020, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Nov 26 2020, 01:40 PM)
Not familiar. Hand TV cabinet?  hmm.gif  I thought want to put TV bracket on the wall  blush.gif
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Ya..tv cabinet and and TV bracket.
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post Nov 26 2020, 11:25 PM

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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Nov 26 2020, 08:39 PM)
TV cabinet (BESTA) hanging on the wall, is using the suspension rail.
Similar to METOD kitchen.. you just need the cheese head screws (not CSK flat head), 2 inches screws and 50mm wall plug is sufficient. The weight is distributed among 10-15 screws so each one take less than 10kg.
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Ya..besta.
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post Mar 31 2021, 12:54 AM

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haiz.. i use the wrong dill size drill(40cm Cloth/Towel Hanger) on my door and now have a bigger hole.... i now using duck tape to wrap my wall plug and stuck it into the hole... so far able to hag around 2kg and seems solid... any idea to fill up that big hole🥲🥲🥲
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post Mar 31 2021, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Mar 31 2021, 09:29 AM)
Wooden door? Why not just wedge with wood slice and use wood glue that you can buy from MrDIY  smile.gif

You cal also but wood peg. Glue into hole and redo.
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Din think of it...If the hole getting loosen can try your way :/
Haiz... too greedy drill using 6mm end up too big....and I keep use plastic wall plug make it even bigger :/

QUOTE(ceo684 @ Mar 31 2021, 12:58 AM)
Actually one of the shortcut method is you can slice up other wall plug to stuff inside, or matches (cut away the head).
Alternatively you can also buy bigger wall plug, they come in diff diameter, smallest one is no.8 5.5mm hole, medium no.10 6mm hole, no.12 will fit 6.5/7mm hole. This is referring to wooden type wall plug, the plastic one loosen easily.
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Ok..But the problem the door is hollow...dont have things to support...only the thin wooden can support sikit...now so far 2kg no issue....still solid...just takut if someone accidently tarik the bar will rip the whole hanger straight off from the door sad.gif

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