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 AMD kill itself by killing 939 so quickly

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cks2k2
post Apr 16 2007, 11:45 PM

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QUOTE(c38y50y70 @ Apr 16 2007, 10:05 PM)
Actually AMD can make the DDR2 version using existing 939 socket because 30 over pins on the older K8 are reserved. I am not sure why, but i guess maybe AMD is afraid of careless users who drop the old DDR K8 into a new DDR2 platform... During socket A, dropping a barton into an SDRAM platform doesn't harm because the mem controller is in the NB, but now the mem controller is in the CPU. Dunno the consequent though, but it *might* burn, hahahah. I guess the upcoming AM3 version of Barcelona will have some detection mechanism to prevent this scenario happens, when dropping the AM3 K8L into AM2+ platform.
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Those unused pins are usually there for mechanical purpose (strength/warp/crack) and have no signal or just grounding.

Typically they'll just change the pin-out i.e. pin A2 used to be VCC is now VSS etc. Worse thing that could happen is the machine not booting up. It has nothing to do with IMC or NB.

One major difference btw AMD and Intel is AMD goes for more pins than necessary to support a few generations while Intel goes for the bare minimum for cost reduction at the expense of more frequent socket change. But I believe given the cost of substrate and assembly going up AMD will eventually have to go for the minimum pin-count approach.
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post Apr 17 2007, 08:29 AM

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QUOTE(ikanayam @ Apr 17 2007, 01:23 AM)
But intel have been complete pricks about their chipsets. Practically every new chip needs a new chipset, or vrm, or just something trivial like that.
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Some of the reasons:
1. Can sell more chips (most obvious) -> new CPU + new NB + new SB
There's a lot of resistance in moving from a 3-chip solution to 2-chip as you make a lot less.

2. Lowers cost
Designing just to meet current needs to lower cost.

3. Screw-ups in design/planning
Short-sightedness in planning, poor execution etc...
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post Apr 17 2007, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(ikanayam @ Apr 17 2007, 09:22 AM)
Pretty sure point 2 doesn't lower cost overall. You have to get your ASIC guys to design a new chipset (or more likely modify the older one), make new masks, tape out a new chipset, do more testing to make sure nothing is broken etc, etc. That is definitely cannot be cheaper than just making one that lasts you a while, and really from the way intel has been doing it, this should be trivial (since they just add incremental features). Seems like it's either point 1 or 3, or maybe even a bit of both.
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Point #2 is more applicable to substrate design than silicon design.
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post Apr 17 2007, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(ikanayam @ Apr 17 2007, 09:51 AM)
Not sure what you're saying here, care to elaborate?
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Silicon technology has evolved at a lightning pace (180, 130, 90, 65, 45 in ~ 5 years). With increase transistor shrinkage + larger wafer sizes the cost of manufacturing silicon has gone down if you don't factor in the large initial investment in fabs and equipment.

But IC packaging substrate technology hasn't kept up and it's becoming a larger cost constributor vs silicon. So the substrate is designed just to meet current needs to reduce costs. Intel could have created a socket with 1000+ pins instead of 775 and support it over multiple processor generations but it doesn't make sense from a cost standpoint.

QUOTE(Matrix @ Apr 17 2007, 09:54 AM)
It's all about timing and buying decision. You can't complain your 2 year old car is outdated when a new model is released tomorrow because you've already benefitted from driving a nice new car for 2 years!!!
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A car is a terrible analogy. If the car industry evolved as fast as the tech industry we all be driving last year's Ferrari right now for the low low price of a Kancil.

 

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