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 Investors Club V10, Previously known as Traders Kopitiam

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post May 21 2018, 04:58 PM

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QUOTE(Goodboy92 @ May 21 2018, 12:19 PM)
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Why Volume was. 935000

While buyer volume was. 11500

And seller volume was 3900

How they calculate these volume
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There's no calculation done here at all.

The Bursa website info on MyEg was fairly accurate, whereby in this instance the Volume reflected the number of shares transacted as at 12.05pm.

The buyer volume simply indicated the number of shares bidding to buy the stock at 0.96.

While the seller volume indicated the number of shares queued to sell at 0.965.

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post Feb 14 2020, 03:08 PM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Feb 14 2020, 02:09 PM)
Tesla price is based on faith not fundamentals. So it's a religion/cult.
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Huh.

Tesla was at one point almost dead. The bears had real good reasons too.

They weren't delivering/producing enough cars ie they couldn't satisfy/fulfill customers orders. Yet they were taking in new orders. (Duh!)

All their projections given to their analysts always ended up way too optimistic. (Crudely put, did they feed out fei kei numbers?)

Tesla lost a shit load of money.

Worst still, they were burning up cash soooooo fast. So bad as some even started counting how many more quarters Tesla could survive at their burn rate...

And then there was that mega Shanghai factory. Really huge....

Boleh ka?

And then Tesla reported profits... Ooooh profits not losses. 100 million plus. All thanks to Shanghai...

With profits, the bears just have to cover their shorts big time. Welcome to the big squeeze!! Lol.

How now?

Shanghai is China....

You still got Trump. Will he actions hurt Tesla in the future? Big risk?

And now... Ahem... Would you dare to bet Shanghai to continue to deliver big numbers again? Any factory shutdown due to the current virus crisis?

This is Tesla.
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post Feb 28 2020, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(moosset @ Feb 28 2020, 08:15 PM)
so the Tesla price $767 is also just a proposal right? the price now is $650 so that means it's unlikely for them to issue new stocks at higher price?
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Shouldn't the first and most foremost question to ask is whyTesla needed to make that cash call?


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post Feb 29 2020, 07:29 AM

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QUOTE(Yggdrasil @ Feb 28 2020, 11:57 PM)

The reason is maybe because Elon knows it's overvalued lol.

It's cheaper to raise more money when shares are overvalued (e.g. you issue 1 share for $767 rather than issuing 1 share for $500). Another example of a company doing this is Beyond Meat. They did a second round of IPO right after their first because they know people wanted their shares badly.

Although it may have dilutive effect on EPS, this money received now can help finance investments and expand the company faster.
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LOL. Yeah this is how I would address it before I make any decision. I would want to find out why...

The stock went from bear to bull.... sharply.

Why? Why was the bear so fierce on the stock?

Was it because Tesla was losing money, under delivering and under producing and then worst of all despite previous year cash call, Tesla was burning cash call so fast that bears was counting when Tesla might actually close shop.

Yup, tesla had a cash call before.

Then their mega mega China plant finished. And then the China plant started producing cars... and Tesla started making money.

Stock went on a terror bull run.

And Tesla wants another cash call?

LOL. You tell me... how you want to rate this company? Want to bet on it?

And the current virus thing... has it created any problem for Tesla?
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post Feb 29 2020, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(Yggdrasil @ Feb 29 2020, 08:41 AM)
kelvinlym invested quite a lot into Tesla. Perhaps he can answer us  brows.gif
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What I shared is what I would address if I would be interested in trading a stock like Tesla. It is what I would do.

I don't bet blindly.

If I am unsure, I just stay on the sideline.

I had no problems seeing Tesla shoot from 250 to 900+. No problems. Losing out on a high flying stock is never a problem for me if the stock does not meet my setup. Seeing the stock plummet back to 660 doesn't make any happier either.
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post Aug 26 2020, 09:34 PM

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QUOTE(HereToLearn @ Aug 26 2020, 08:50 PM)
And the assumption is dividends will make you money?
Yes? They been paying dividends for years. If they dont pay dividends, why would unit trust funds still hold banks?

Q1 2019 earnings dropped so much because 500m credit loss (hin leong) and trading income dropped in Q1 'due to volatile trading condition', if you remove this, it give PBT of 1.2m, which will give EPS of 9-10.
It is still lower than last year's EPS, but last year it was traded at RM 5.1-5.8 in Q1 2019
Just look at the revenue, YoY change almost negligible
*due to volatile trading condition = market crash (they just reworded it 'nicely')

For this PE, totally worth it IMO.
Are you sure it is a 100% sure win strategy? No. There is no 100% sure win strategy, same for the gloves and pennies. People are making assumptions that others will buy it higher from them.
For gloves, when almost everyone knows that the earnings are not sustainable.
For pennies, when almost everyone knows that companies are at -ve earnings.
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Let's post here.

I believe that there's a huge fallacy regarding dividends. You can lose money if one blindly invest just for dividends. Hold on. Take a breather cos I made a huge statement.. stay calm...let's do it one step at a time. Ok?

The 100% sure win statement is directed at dividend investing. Ok? There's no need to compare other things cos we would just agree.

So it's just dividend investing and Maybank.

So dividends and Maybank.

Does it really work? (let's see)

Do you think 3 years is a good time frame? Ie. If I invest in maybank some 3 years ago, it would show some positive returns in 3 years time. ( 3 years of collecting dividends woh.. surely it will show an investment in Maybank would yield a great return, yes?)



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post Aug 26 2020, 09:37 PM

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post Aug 27 2020, 09:05 AM

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QUOTE(HereToLearn @ Aug 26 2020, 09:45 PM)
Tbh, you are right NOW because banks are hit hard now.
I cant win you in this argument, because u choose the timeframe.

But if you let me choose the time frame, I will pick 2009-2011, then I win? from both capital gain and dividend
If I pick the peak at 26 JUly 2013 (RM 10.7) and peak at 8 May 2018 (RM 10.7), then I win? from dividend

U pick a fight that u will win, of course u will win
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Of course, you get to choose the time frame.... and you choose the peak? LOL!

I was gonna handicap you and let you choose the lowest price of the said year... ie... lowest of 2013 and lowest 2018.

2009 period? That was when the market crashed la.... any one stock also can win lo (which will make any case study pointless!)
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post Aug 27 2020, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(HereToLearn @ Aug 26 2020, 09:45 PM)
Tbh, you are right NOW because banks are hit hard now.
I cant win you in this argument, because u choose the timeframe.

But if you let me choose the time frame, I will pick 2009-2011, then I win? from both capital gain and dividend
If I pick the peak at 26 JUly 2013 (RM 10.7) and peak at 8 May 2018 (RM 10.7), then I win? from dividend

U pick a fight that u will win, of course u will win
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Let's look at the assumption you can buy at the lowest in 2013.... which should be around 8.90 in Jan 2013.

Purchase Jan 2013. Price RM8.90

Dividend received since = 0.33 + 0.535 + 0.57 + 0.54 + 0.52 + 0.55 + 0.57 + 0.64 = 4.255

Price today = 7.46

Current *loss* (Sorry 'paper loss' is still loss lol) = 7.46 - 8.90 = 1.44

Total dividend = 4.255

Therefore TOTAL current gain = 2.815

That's about just a CAGR gain of 3.5% for 8 years.

Yup it's a win but that's a 8 years of investing ... is it worth it? is it the best investment for your money?

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If bought at peak July 2013... 10.70 rclxub.gif

Earn one less dividend ... ie wouldn't receive the 0.33 dividend.

So total dividend = 3.925

Current loss = 7.46 - 10.7 = 3.24

Therefore TOTAL current gain = 0.685

Yup... still a gain... but barely sweat.gif sweat.gif


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For 2018, we just do the lowest price la...

Purchase June 2018. Price 8.70

Dividend received since = 0.57 + 0.64 = 1.21

Current price = 7.46

Current loss = 7.46 - 8.70 = 1.24

Total dividend = 1.21

TOTAL current LOSS = 0.03

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Well? Are you surprised with the results?

Not forgetting the fact I deliberately chose the lowest price of the year.... ie the assumption the investor is so good that he/she is able to buy at the lowest price of the year....








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post Aug 27 2020, 12:33 PM

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QUOTE(HereToLearn @ Aug 27 2020, 11:06 AM)
Like I said you are right NOW. Because the current sentiment does not favor bank. Maybe 1 year later, you will be wrong.

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Of course 1 year later I could be wrong. Who knows.

But we are living the moment now. Hence, I am talking now and right now, it is my flawed opinion but I do think it's risky to simply assume investing in bank stocks for its dividends is a great idea.



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