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Cubalagi
post Oct 4 2019, 06:56 PM

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QUOTE(moosset @ Oct 4 2019, 03:52 PM)
sorry, I need to ask a stupid questions as I'm not familiar with options, warrants, derivatives etc..... (even though I've read them up, I'm still not quite familiar).

I've been given stock-WA & stock-WC in my portfolio..... what do I do with these?
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U can sell or wait until the date of maturity to exercise the warrant (top up cash to get new mother share).

A warrant being an option is a leveraged instrument of the underlying mother share. Meaning it's value can go up or down at a higher % than the mother. There is actually a math option formula on what's the actual value of the warrant at certain point in time. However, this WA type of warrants is a company warrant without market makers (unlike C n H warrants), so the value sometimes doesnt follow theory one. There is also time decay to be aware off. An option losses value over time.



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post Oct 4 2019, 09:52 PM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Oct 4 2019, 06:56 PM)
U can sell or wait until the date of maturity to exercise the warrant (top up cash to get new mother share).

A warrant being an option is a leveraged instrument of the underlying mother share. Meaning it's value can go up or down at a higher % than the mother. There is actually a math option formula on what's the actual value of the warrant at certain point in time. However, this WA type of warrants is a company warrant without market makers (unlike C n H warrants), so the value sometimes doesnt follow theory one. There is also time decay to be aware off. An option losses value over time.
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Are we following the American warrant or the European warrant?

I thought a warrant is a derivative that give the right, but not the obligation, to buy or sell a security at a certain price before expiration? What if I don't want to buy the underlying security? To be honest, I want to get rid of those stocks ASAP, so I don't think I want to buy more of the underlying security (unless I want to gamble).
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post Oct 4 2019, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(moosset @ Oct 4 2019, 09:52 PM)
Are we following the American warrant or the European warrant?

I thought a warrant is a derivative that give the right, but not the obligation, to buy or sell a security at a certain price before expiration? What if I don't want to buy the underlying security? To be honest, I want to get rid of those stocks ASAP, so I don't think I want to buy more of the underlying security (unless I want to gamble).
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U have to read the disclosure.. Company warrants can be both types. At the maturity period, if u don't exercise n u don't already sell, u burn lar. But if it's out of the money at maturity, it's burn already.

I never exercise one before, always sell on market way before. .

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post Oct 6 2019, 12:09 AM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Oct 4 2019, 10:13 PM)
U have to read the disclosure.. Company warrants can be both types. At the maturity period, if u don't exercise n u don't already sell, u burn lar. But if it's out of the money at maturity, it's burn already.

I never exercise one before, always sell on market way before. .
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one warrant's name is xxxxxx 2018/2021, the other is 2018/2023, meaning their expire 2021 and 2023 respectively?
I don't know where to check their info other than on the trading platform.

and how do you exercise a warrant? Is it through the platform? I only see the buy/sell button.
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post Oct 6 2019, 05:34 PM

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QUOTE(moosset @ Oct 6 2019, 12:09 AM)
one warrant's name is xxxxxx 2018/2021, the other is 2018/2023, meaning their expire 2021 and 2023 respectively?
I don't know where to check their info other than on the trading platform.

and how do you exercise a warrant? Is it through the platform? I only see the buy/sell button.
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Warrant full term is in a document called a deed poll. Maybe need to go bursa website for announcement. If u tell me the stock maybe I can look for u.

Exercise method, I think it's like a Drip subscription. Pretty manual process. U should check with the IR department.


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post Oct 11 2019, 08:17 PM

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so with the latest "foreigners allow to buy property from 600k and above" instead of 1mil, it's time for property stock like MahSing, SPSetia, Eco??



QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Oct 6 2019, 05:34 PM)
Warrant full term is in a document called a deed poll. Maybe need to go bursa website for announcement. If u tell me the stock maybe I can look for u.

Exercise method, I think it's like a Drip subscription. Pretty manual process. U should check with the IR department.
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it's ok, thanks. There's no hope for those stocks so I'll just sell them.
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post Oct 12 2019, 12:09 AM

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Construction stocks should be in play too smile.gif
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post Oct 13 2019, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(moosset @ Oct 11 2019, 08:17 PM)
so with the latest "foreigners allow to buy property from 600k and above" instead of 1mil, it's time for property stock like MahSing, SPSetia, Eco??

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Question is which one?

https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...er-by-the-dozen

Property company index near 10 year low.

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post Oct 14 2019, 12:09 PM

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as a M'sian resident, for US stocks, definitely 30% tax dividend? no way around this?

what about SG resident? Is the tax lower?
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post Oct 14 2019, 07:30 PM

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QUOTE(moosset @ Oct 14 2019, 12:09 PM)
as a M'sian resident, for US stocks, definitely 30% tax dividend? no way around this?

what about SG resident? Is the tax lower?
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Should be the same.

But why want to go US for dividend stocks, there are many choices in this part of the world already.
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post Oct 14 2019, 07:38 PM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Oct 14 2019, 07:30 PM)
Should be the same.

But why want to go US for dividend stocks, there are many choices in this part of the world already.
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I'm thinking of buying their high dividend ETF, like SPYD etc.

what about other countries? for HK, Tokyo, Shanghai stock exchange, what are the tax rates?
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post Oct 14 2019, 08:50 PM

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QUOTE(moosset @ Oct 14 2019, 07:38 PM)
I'm thinking of buying their high dividend ETF, like SPYD etc.

what about other countries? for HK, Tokyo, Shanghai stock exchange, what are the tax rates?
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SPYD has lousy performance compared to core S&P500 etfs. But with US market close to all time high, if want to buy n hold, I rather wait.

Btw there is a decent Vanguard S&P500 ETF isted in HKEX (3140).

HK has no WHT except for Chinese stocks listed there which is 10%, Japan has WHT I think 20%. Shanghai is as the HK listed Chinese stocks but the market is hard to access anyway. Best way to access Shanghai is via ETFs listed in HK or US.

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post Oct 15 2019, 12:34 AM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Oct 14 2019, 08:50 PM)
SPYD has lousy performance compared to core S&P500 etfs. But with US market close to all time high, if want to buy n hold, I rather wait.
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for core S&P500, I'd like to wait but, what if there's no recession in the next 2 years?

for the high dividend ETF, I'd like to buy because it can sustain during the recession, if it comes.

QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Oct 14 2019, 08:50 PM)
Btw there is a decent Vanguard S&P500 ETF listed in HKEX (3140).

HK has no WHT except for Chinese stocks listed there which is 10%, Japan has WHT I think 20%. Shanghai is as the HK listed Chinese stocks but the market is hard to access anyway. Best way to access Shanghai is via ETFs listed in HK or US.
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I guess the liquidity is not as good as the one in NYSE?

I'm searching for other ETFs other than S&P500. Would like to diversify outside US, that's why looking at Nikkei225 or HangSengIndex or SSE composite.
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hrmm..can anyone elaborate on d differences between rakuten trade and mplus?
- ive checked both, d brokerage fees for cash upfront account is RM7.00, sounds like up the alley of a newbie small fry like me..
- i'd prolly only need to trade less than RM5k a transaction.
- i mainly communicate in English so the education links at m+ seem more attractive
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post Oct 15 2019, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(moosset @ Oct 15 2019, 12:34 AM)
for core S&P500, I'd like to wait but, what if there's no recession in the next 2 years?

for the high dividend ETF, I'd like to buy because it can sustain during the recession, if it comes.
I guess the liquidity is not as good as the one in NYSE?

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For the HKEX Vanguard S&P500, unless you are trading millions of USD, liquidity should be pretty good.

On SPYD, it doesn't have a recession track record yet, but I looked at another dividend ETF which has and that's SDY. SDY fell more than 50% in 2008/2009 recession and that's nearly the same as S&P500. So I wouldn't put too much hope on dividend ETF to sustain in recession. Add in witholding taxes, it's not great value proposition, at least to me.

A US equity ETF that I really like is the Vanguard VTI, you can check that out.

QUOTE(moosset @ Oct 15 2019, 12:34 AM)

I'm searching for other ETFs other than S&P500. Would like to diversify outside US, that's why looking at Nikkei225 or HangSengIndex or SSE composite.
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U will be spoilt for choices. But I think what is more important is to diversify across asset classes, not just geography.

As for me, for my current portfolio size, Bursa, SGX and HKEX are good enough playground.

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QUOTE(~Curious~ @ Oct 15 2019, 11:38 AM)
hrmm..can anyone elaborate on d differences between rakuten trade and mplus?
- ive checked both, d brokerage fees for cash upfront account is RM7.00, sounds like up the alley of a newbie small fry like me..
- i'd prolly only need to trade less than RM5k a transaction.
- i mainly communicate in English so the education links at m+ seem more attractive
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This was discussed extensively in this forum. I think the conclusion was M+ is better.

On Rakuten, the nice thing about Rakuten is completely online account opening. M+ u still need to drop by their branch. Second is the RT points that can convert to AirAsia etc. The not nice part about Rakuten is that it's a nominee account., which means can't apply for IPOs n attend Agms.

M+ seem to have many seminars and training.

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QUOTE(moosset @ Oct 15 2019, 12:34 AM)
for core S&P500, I'd like to wait but, what if there's no recession in the next 2 years?

for the high dividend ETF, I'd like to buy because it can sustain during the recession, if it comes.
I guess the liquidity is not as good as the one in NYSE?

I'm searching for other ETFs other than S&P500. Would like to diversify outside US, that's why looking at Nikkei225 or HangSengIndex or SSE composite.
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er.. SPY is S&P500 ETF leh, NOT "dividend aristocrats"

NOBL on the other hand is the ETF for dividend aristocrats https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/Nobl?ltr=1
What are dividend aristocrats? companies that have been paying out:
1. yearly INCREASING dividends
2. for at least 25 years
3. fail even once to increase or pay out.. out U go from the list

some of the companies in that category are:
KO
3M
MCD
XOM
CVX
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post Oct 15 2019, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Oct 15 2019, 02:18 PM)
er.. SPY is S&P500 ETF leh, NOT "dividend aristocrats"

NOBL on the other hand is the ETF for dividend aristocrats https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/Nobl?ltr=1
What are dividend aristocrats? companies that have been paying out:
1. yearly INCREASING dividends
2. for at least 25 years
3. fail even once to increase or pay out.. out U go from the list

some of the companies in that category are:
KO
3M
MCD
XOM
CVX
O
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He was talking about SPYD, not SPY.


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post Oct 15 2019, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Oct 15 2019, 01:57 PM)
For the HKEX Vanguard S&P500, unless you are trading millions of USD, liquidity should be pretty good.

On SPYD, it doesn't have a recession track record yet, but I looked at another dividend ETF which has and that's SDY. SDY fell more than 50% in 2008/2009 recession and that's nearly the same as S&P500. So I wouldn't put too much hope on dividend ETF to sustain in recession. Add in witholding taxes, it's not great value proposition, at least to me.

A US equity ETF that I really like is the Vanguard VTI, you can check that out.
U will be spoilt for choices. But I think what is more important is to diversify across asset classes, not just geography.

As for me, for my current portfolio size, Bursa, SGX and HKEX are good enough playground.
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but with VTI, the index can only go up when the global economy is doing well, no?

if some countries are having a recession, and some are not, then the index won't move much, since it's global?


QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Oct 15 2019, 02:18 PM)
NOBL on the other hand is the ETF for dividend aristocrats https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/Nobl?ltr=1
What are dividend aristocrats? companies that have been paying out:
1. yearly INCREASING dividends
2. for at least 25 years
3. fail even once to increase or pay out.. out U go from the list
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Thanks! I'll have a look!
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post Oct 15 2019, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(moosset @ Oct 15 2019, 02:35 PM)
but with VTI, the index can only go up when the global economy is doing well, no?

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VTI is US total stock market, not the world stock market. It has 3600 US large, mid n small cap socks as opposed to 500 large cap only S&P500.



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