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TSdatto
post Mar 21 2007, 12:10 PM, updated 19y ago

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can anyone recommend me a reliable dealer to get this baby in kl?

i would also like to know what are the must-have accessories for this baby.

appreciate if u guys can give me some idea.
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post Mar 21 2007, 12:20 PM

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Must haves?
BG-E3 with extra battery
EF17-40mm F4L
EF70-200mm F2.8 IS
Speedlite 580EX

or with so many lenses to get, you can get these lenses below

EF 16-35 2.8L USM and EF 17-35 2.8L USM.
Professional-quality new and old fast wide-angle zoom lenses, used by many photojournalists. Expensive.

EF 17-40 4L USM.
Affordable and optically slower version of the above, popular with advanced amateurs.

EF-S 18-55 3.5-5.6.
Pretty well every 300D/Digital Rebel and 350D/Rebel XT owner out there has one of these, since they're bundled with most consumer Canon digital SLRs sold. Image quality is OK considering the rock-bottom price.

EF-S 17-85mm 4-5.6 IS USM.
Very popular with users of Canon's subframe D-SLRs, this lens combines decent image quality with a useful focal length range and has image stabilizing to boot.

EF 28mm 2.8.
Inexpensive lightweight wide-angle lens, suitable for landscapes and so on.

EF 50mm 1.8 and EF 50mm 1.8 II.
Super-cheap lightweight fast lenses, ideal for beginners and advanced amateurs. Take surprisingly sharp pictures for the price.

EF 50mm 1.4 USM.
Versatile standard lenses, useful in low light. These lenses contain micromotor USM mechanisms that unusually support full-time manual focussing.

EF 24-70 2.8L USM and EF 28-70 2.8L USM.
Large, heavy black L series lenses, noted for their high quality. Expensive and popular with wedding photographers.

EF 24-105 4L IS USM.
Very popular and quite expensive L-series image-stabilized walkaround lens.

EF 28-70 3.5-4.5 II.
Cheap older lenses with a reputation for decent optical quality despite the really low price. Rotating recessed end makes filter use awkward, however.

EF 28-80 3.5-5.6 II-V, 28-90 4-5.6.
Extremely cheap Canon lenses, supplied with many low-end camera bodies as kit lenses. Lousy optics.

EF 24-85 3.5-4.5 USM, 28-105 3.5-4.5 USM and EF 28-105 3.5-4.5 USM II.
Medium-sized, medium-priced and medium-speed lenses popular with many amateur photographers. The 24-85 is particularly popular with APS and subframe digital EOS users owing to its wider short end.

EF 28-135 3.5-5.6 IS USM.
Popular and versatile midrange lenses equipped with image stabilization for low-light shooting.

EF 85mm 1.8 USM.
Sharp and relatively inexpensive prime lenses, ideally suited for portraiture.

EF 100mm 2.8 Macro andEF 100mm 2.8 Macro USM.
True macro lenses capable of 1:1 closeup photography, yet equally useful as portrait lenses.

EF 70-200 2.8L USM and EF 70-200 2.8L IS USM.
Heavy white L series lenses, favoured by a lot of photojournalists. Expensive.

EF 70-200 4L USM.
Optically slower and less heavy siblings to the 2.8L. Considered a bargain for the price by many photographers, and popular with advanced amateurs.

EF 70-300mm 4-5.6 IS USM.
A popular lens for its compromise between size, convenience and image quality. Much sharper than its 75-300 predecessors, and image stabilization is a big plus. Not to be confused with the DO (diffractive optics) lens, which is extremely expensive.

EF 75-300 4-5.6.
Commonly available cheapie-series telephoto lenses. Ubiquitous owing to the low price, but optically poor.

EF 1200mm 5.6L USM.
Okay, so these gigantic and insanely expensive telephoto lenses aren't popular as such, but always feature prominently in Canon's lens advertising. Canon will gladly custom-build one for you, given a prepaid order. I think they run for roughly the cost of a luxury automobile.
Frankly if you need this sort of focal length you're better off with the 600mm 4L IS USM and a 2x teleconverter, though admittedly you'll need an EOS 1V, 1D, 1Ds or 3 to autofocus with it.

This post has been edited by nairud: Mar 21 2007, 01:17 PM
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post Mar 21 2007, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(nairud @ Mar 21 2007, 12:20 PM)
Must haves?
BG-E3 with extra battery
EF17-40mm F4L
EF70-200mm F2.8 IS
Speedlite 580EX

or with so many lenses to get, you can get these lenses below

EF 16-35 2.8L USM and EF 17-35 2.8L USM.
Professional-quality new and old fast wide-angle zoom lenses, used by many photojournalists. Expensive.

EF 17-40 4L USM.
Affordable and optically slower version of the above, popular with advanced amateurs.

EF-S 18-55 3.5-5.6.
Pretty well every 300D/Digital Rebel and 350D/Rebel XT owner out there has one of these, since they're bundled with most consumer Canon digital SLRs sold. Image quality is OK considering the rock-bottom price.

EF-S 17-85mm 4-5.6 IS USM.
Very popular with users of Canon's subframe D-SLRs, this lens combines decent image quality with a useful focal length range and has image stabilizing to boot.

EF 28mm 2.8.
Inexpensive lightweight wide-angle lens, suitable for landscapes and so on.

EF 50mm 1.8 and EF 50mm 1.8 II.
Super-cheap lightweight fast lenses, ideal for beginners and advanced amateurs. Take surprisingly sharp pictures for the price.

EF 50mm 1.4 USM.
Versatile standard lenses, useful in low light. These lenses contain micromotor USM mechanisms that unusually support full-time manual focussing.

EF 24-70 2.8L USM and EF 28-70 2.8L USM.
Large, heavy black L series lenses, noted for their high quality. Expensive and popular with wedding photographers.

EF 24-105 4L IS USM.
Very popular and quite expensive L-series image-stabilized walkaround lens.

EF 28-70 3.5-4.5 II.
Cheap older lenses with a reputation for decent optical quality despite the really low price. Rotating recessed end makes filter use awkward, however.

EF 28-80 3.5-5.6 II-V, 28-90 4-5.6.
Extremely cheap Canon lenses, supplied with many low-end camera bodies as kit lenses. Lousy optics.

EF 24-85 3.5-4.5 USM, 28-105 3.5-4.5 USM and EF 28-105 3.5-4.5 USM II.
Medium-sized, medium-priced and medium-speed lenses popular with many amateur photographers. The 24-85 is particularly popular with APS and subframe digital EOS users owing to its wider short end.

EF 28-135 3.5-5.6 IS USM.
Popular and versatile midrange lenses equipped with image stabilization for low-light shooting.

EF 85mm 1.8 USM.
Sharp and relatively inexpensive prime lenses, ideally suited for portraiture.

EF 100mm 2.8 Macro andEF 100mm 2.8 Macro USM.
True macro lenses capable of 1:1 closeup photography, yet equally useful as portrait lenses.

EF 70-200 2.8L USM and EF 70-200 2.8L IS USM.
Heavy white L series lenses, favoured by a lot of photojournalists. Expensive.

EF 70-200 4L USM.
Optically slower and less heavy siblings to the 2.8L. Considered a bargain for the price by many photographers, and popular with advanced amateurs.

EF 70-300mm 4-5.6 IS USM.
A popular lens for its compromise between size, convenience and image quality. Much sharper than its 75-300 predecessors, and image stabilization is a big plus. Not to be confused with the DO (diffractive optics) lens, which is extremely expensive.

EF 75-300 4-5.6.
Commonly available cheapie-series telephoto lenses. Ubiquitous owing to the low price, but optically poor.

EF 1200mm 5.6L USM.
Okay, so these gigantic and insanely expensive telephoto lenses aren't popular as such, but always feature prominently in Canon's lens advertising. Canon will gladly custom-build one for you, given a prepaid order. I think they run for roughly the cost of a luxury automobile.
Frankly if you need this sort of focal length you're better off with the 600mm 4L IS USM and a 2x teleconverter, though admittedly you'll need an EOS 1V, 1D, 1Ds or 3 to autofocus with it.
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You forget to mention the EF-S 17-55 2.8 IS USM.... super sharp even wide open at all length...
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post Mar 21 2007, 10:42 PM

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if you are newbie, just play with kitlens for a while until you can fully familiarise with all the manual setting (where you will fine alot limitation with kitlens brows.gif ), then you can slowly switch to better lens. icon_idea.gif

Battery grip is nice and can be apply to newbies also but external flash i don't think so... blush.gif

you can start with EF 24-85 3.5-4.5 USM lens....

Btw, you need to know what kinda of shooting you like then go accordingly to the type of lenses you need hmm.gif

Extra battery you can just go for those 3rd party good quality one...which cost around Rm60-90. original freaking expensive....around Rm200++

Dealer you can try Boeing in Sg. Wang, LEOS in Ampang park.
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post Mar 21 2007, 10:55 PM

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thanks for all the replies. really appreciate
btw, i'm just a newbie. have been playing with manual mode in point & shoot cameras for a while already. now planning to upgrade to DSLR

gotta check out this weekend to see what are the latest offer. hope can get all the necessary stuff at 4-4.5k.
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post Mar 22 2007, 08:46 AM

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What 4-4.5k can get for you:
400D with kit lens and 1gb + filter is around 3.3k based on G88 but i believe you can get lesser for that.. let's just make it at 3k.

add a batt grip: rm480
50mm f1.8 mk II: rm280
cheap tele lens 90-300mm: rm650
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post Mar 22 2007, 09:40 PM

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Nairud you sotkaujor ler ... dry.gif tongue.gif
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post Mar 22 2007, 11:15 PM

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QUOTE(nairud @ Mar 22 2007, 08:46 AM)
What 4-4.5k can get for you:
400D with kit lens and 1gb + filter is around 3.3k based on G88 but i believe you can get lesser for that.. let's just make it at 3k.

add a batt grip: rm480
50mm f1.8 mk II: rm280
cheap tele lens 90-300mm: rm650
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QUOTE(ac98 @ Mar 22 2007, 09:40 PM)
Nairud you sotkaujor ler ... dry.gif tongue.gif
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y le? i think he has given me a good reference
but possible to get the kit+1gb+filter for 3k meh?
cheap tele lens means 3rd party lens?
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QUOTE(ac98 @ Mar 22 2007, 09:40 PM)
Nairud you sotkaujor ler ... dry.gif tongue.gif
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lol...

QUOTE(datto @ Mar 22 2007, 11:15 PM)
y le? i think he has given me a good reference
but possible to get the kit+1gb+filter for 3k meh?
cheap tele lens means 3rd party lens?
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cheap Canon tele lens. not 3rd party
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post Mar 24 2007, 02:20 AM

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QUOTE(datto @ Mar 22 2007, 11:15 PM)
y le? i think he has given me a good reference
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I am referring to the entire list of lenses and their discriptions tongue.gif
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post Mar 24 2007, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(ac98 @ Mar 24 2007, 02:20 AM)
I am referring to the entire list of lenses and their discriptions tongue.gif
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copied and paste
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let say the price for that cam is around 3.4k, why dont u wait a lil longer to get 30d ? just a fraction of money away smile.gif
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QUOTE(scotty @ Mar 24 2007, 10:52 AM)
let say the price for that cam is around 3.4k, why dont u wait a lil longer to get 30d ? just a fraction of money away smile.gif
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Wahhh ... this is what I call POISON! laugh.gif brows.gif
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30D kit is RM1.1k more expensive than the 400D kit. If you are willing to spend that much more, than go for it, as I did. I went to the camera shop to buy the 400D, the owner let me try the 30D and immediately I was poisoned beyond cure.

I initially wanted to get the 400D kit with an extra 50mm f/1.4, but after thinking about it, I'd rather get the 30D first and wait for the 50mm f1/4 later. Now I'm so in love with my 30D biggrin.gif

nairud copied the lens recommendation from photonotes.org. I was just there and I recognised it ^^

If your budget is around RM4k, stick with the kit lens first. Try not to blow any money on any other lenses before you get to know your kit lens and what it does and doesn't do for you. The 580EX nairud suggested is probably an overkill right now and it's freaking expensive. Unless you have a money tree, the 480EX is more realistic (at around RM1050).
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post Mar 25 2007, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(nairud @ Mar 22 2007, 08:46 AM)
What 4-4.5k can get for you:
400D with kit lens and 1gb + filter is around 3.3k based on G88 but i believe you can get lesser for that.. let's just make it at 3k.

add a batt grip: rm480
50mm f1.8 mk II: rm280
cheap tele lens 90-300mm: rm650
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i think this is really a good combinations for a newbie like me. I've seen the pictures taken with the 50mm f1.8 is very inspiring. but is it necessary to get the tele lens?

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QUOTE(datto @ Mar 25 2007, 11:44 AM)
i think this is really a good combinations for a newbie like me. I've seen the pictures taken with the 50mm f1.8 is very inspiring. but is it necessary to get the tele lens?
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depends on what you wanna do... what type of photography you want to take.
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post Mar 26 2007, 09:21 PM

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So got your 400D yet ?? Fast la hahaha !!!
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post Mar 26 2007, 11:37 PM

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opps sorry for late reply
got it yesterday
the price went up body + kit = 3100
really dunno how to play with it, silly me.
just starting with auto

but now a bit regret
350D only 2500 body + kit + 1GB + filter + bag + tripod
extra money can get 70-300mm lens
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post Mar 27 2007, 08:50 AM

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No point regretting over it. If i want to regret, i'd regret why didnt i get 30D at the first place.. lol
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post Mar 27 2007, 08:54 AM

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QUOTE(nairud @ Mar 27 2007, 08:50 AM)
No point regretting over it. If i want to regret, i'd regret why didnt i get 30D at the first place.. lol
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utilize ur 350d first la

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