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 Choosing Life Insurance, Advice Please!!!

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lcl832002
post Mar 7 2009, 01:22 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 3 2009, 03:30 PM)
What has she done to you?  brows.gif  biggrin.gif

Please treat buying insurance some sort like buying a house. When you buy a house, you survey survey and survey before finally make up your decision. So in insurance is the same you read through and find out the details and clause of it, before making final decision to take up.


Added on January 3, 2009, 2:32 pm

Some insurance just take your premium (in investment linked one) to buy UT only which you can do it yourself, why need third party did it for you while incur more commission as well as increase the inflexibility of your fund.
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You are right. Don't treat insurance as something like entertainment.
lcl832002
post Mar 30 2009, 12:51 AM

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QUOTE(AhPinG @ Mar 29 2009, 10:03 PM)
athlon 11 : actualy,you can minimise the investment part and maximise the insurance coverage in ilp,then you actualy buying a cheaper insurance than term life,howewer,if buying ilp,remember terminate the contract before age 55,replace it with something else.
why have to end it oh ? im curious
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QUOTE(p3nang @ Mar 29 2009, 11:01 PM)
why have to terminate it? how if da person no longer insurable?
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For ILP, the insurance charges increase and are very high when we get older. Of course, we must buy another type of life insurance first before we terminate ILP...
lcl832002
post Mar 31 2009, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(p3nang @ Mar 31 2009, 10:39 AM)
dats mean it is good to buy ordinary life rather than ILP unless budget limitation when YOUNG, since ILP is increasing premium from time to time
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Not necessarily so... It all depends on what a consumer wants to get from his insurance plans. But, I personally prefer traditional life plans to ILP.

When I study all the life plans offered by AIA Berhad, I find that each of the plans has strengths and weaknesses depending on the purposes of buying them like education, protection, retirement and others...

It is really hard to say which plan is the best one...

This post has been edited by lcl832002: Mar 31 2009, 03:41 PM
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post Mar 31 2009, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(wankongyew @ Mar 31 2009, 05:01 PM)
Ok, asking a specific question here because I don't keep in regular contact with the original agent who sold me my insurance.

I'm signed up to the AIA Excel Plus plan for many years now, but now I kinda regret it because I didn't realize that for whole life plans you really do need to pay until you die. My question is whether or not the plan has any surrender value at all and if so, what determines the surrender value?
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For whole life insurance, it does have surrender value and it is guaranteed. However, it is not high. The value of your surrender value depends on how long it has been in force and when you bought it (your age when you bought it). Your agent should have told you about it.

In order to help you to calculate the surrender value, I need the following information:

1) Year and age when you bought it.
2) Riders, if any, like medical card, personal accident and 36 critical illnesses.
3) Occupation.
4) Your state of health when applying it.
5) Sum assured for whole life insurance and each of the riders, if any.

Ya, it is not good that your agent didn't tell you that you have to pay premium for your entire life for whole life insurance. But, if the plan does fulfil your insurance needs, you should not terminate it. It is a life policy with the second highest protection and the second lowest premium. So, it is a very good plan for protection at the same time you will not lose your money when you surrender it in the future. In addition, you can choose not to pay premium for your entire life.

If you don't like the existing agent, you can find another good agent to serve you.
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post Apr 1 2009, 12:40 AM

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QUOTE(honwhy05 @ Mar 31 2009, 09:50 PM)
2) Another popular product promoting by insurance companies is children education. Generally it works this way. You pay certain amount of RM, your child will get protected and in return you get XYZ after number of years.

My personal opinion is this product is absolutely diverted from the original objective that is children education. Here is why
a) You pay premium for the  insurance policy, so that you can have a lump sum when your child needs the money in let say 15 years time. The amount you paid will be compensated with a 4% max return(refer below)

b) If you invest the same amount of money in other investment (Certain risks), you can get more that 4% return in average...(Diclaimer here)

PLEASE TAKE NOTE THAT INSURANCE IS PURELY MEANT for protection. As the industry grows, insurance companies came out with variety of products that bundle saving, retirement, education to allow agents to earn commission and survive. As far as we as a consumer is concerns, you buy insurance for protection, i repeat protection. If you objective is to saving, or retirement or children education, kindly look at other investment tools like unit trust, shares, gold, etf etc. which can give you many times return that your insurance policy...
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I agree with some of the points posted by honwhy05. But I don't think the same about life insurance for children's education purpose.

Why is life insurance (endowment plan) for education purpose very important?

There is a newly born baby. If his parents die when he is only one years old, the banks will not help the baby to do saving for him. The unit trust agent will not help the baby to do fund switching to maximize his return. But, insurance companies will help him to save money provided that his parents attach a rider called payor benefit to the life insurance. In other words, the baby doesn't have to pay premium (insurance companies pay it) and the saving process will continue until the plan matures in the future. I can't think of a financial product that provides this benefit except insurance.

Unit trust is a very good investment provided that we are quite familiar with it. I don't think unit trust can be used as an education fund for our children. Unit trust involves risk. So, we can't guarantee that we can sell it at a good price by the time we want to use the money for our children's education. We can't guarantee that the recession happening now is not going to happen again in the future.

If the parents will not die or become disabled for sure for any reason, I think insurance is not important at all. They are able to earn income to take care of their child forever until he becomes independent. Unfortunately, we don't know what will happen to us tomorrow or later. If they die in a road accident and they buy life insurance for their child, I think it will be the last and the most precious gift they can give to their child before they leave the world.

Full-time insurance agents depend heavily on commission. I don't think it is wrong to sell life insurance and other types of insurance to consumers as long as the consumers know and understand what they buy and the agents have done all their duties responsibly.
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post Apr 1 2009, 02:02 PM

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QUOTE(honwhy05 @ Apr 1 2009, 08:56 AM)
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I coming from this angle.

Is the parent that needs to buy the insurance for his family hence that the first step is to protect the main breadwinner (mother or father). That is why 1st step of any financial planning is to make sure that the bread winner is well -covered before even talking about other things like retirement, children education and others.

If the breadwinner no longer around the insurance money received can help the child(ren). End of story.
With this point, we need not buy insurance for the children. Why you need to pay endownment that covers the child? Well i suggest you buys life insurance for your child, and tranferred to him/her when she reaches age of maturity or when she/he comes out to work.He/she can continue from there onward...
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Ya, I agree that the breadwinner is the most important person to be insured in a family.
But insurance for children is equally important. It is just that we use it with different purpose, instead of protection. We can use it as the children's saving.
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post Apr 1 2009, 10:58 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 1 2009, 05:33 PM)
honwhy05 listed exactly the priority should be.

If you are rich enough, you can buy whatever insurance you want to, from endowment plan to 1 years old child accident policy or TPD or whatever.

Agents surely will tell you this A insurance is a must, B insurance is needed, what if something happened on your child then another C insurance also needed. No offence.  smile.gif

But in the end of the day, it is your disposal income dictate which one is needed. Want to take all the insurance then burden yourself and struggling to pay up insurance premium every month or annually? While left with no saving is not a wise idea. Also, discontinue the insurance policy or surrender it halfway due to cashflow ability might lead to more losses as well.

Life is not perfect, and cruel sometimes, you cannot have whatever protection you needed. So need to prioritise which one is more or most important. Just like a couple have a newly born baby or kids, the most important is to insure on the one that is the financial supporting pillar, not the child or baby. If the child passed away, the parent won't suffer (financially as insurance is about financially issue), but if one of the parent which is the main earner passed away, then we have 2 people are suffering.
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To encounter the problem you mentioned, financial planning is very important. From financial planning, we know how much income a person earns and what kinds of insurance he has. Then, from there we can try our best to find a solution for him based on his needs and affordability... biggrin.gif
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post Jun 6 2009, 12:05 AM

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QUOTE(numbertwo @ Jun 5 2009, 05:51 PM)
Hi,
Care to explain what is your definition of "guaranteed renewable"?

My definition is :
1) so long as the insurance co. does not withdraw the plan, I'm allowed to continue up to age xx unless i've used up the lifetime limit
2) Even if i suffered from a particular illness and hospitalized for long period of time, insurance co. should not reject my next renewal, or include new exclusions during renewal
3) I understand that premium can be adjusted, not guaranteed.  But in case of increment is deemed necessary, it should be on portfolio basis, and not on individual policy basis.    There is this fine notes in some policy brochure "The renewal premiums is not guaranteed and the company reserves the right to revise the premium rate applicable at the time of renewal.  Such changes, if any, shall be applicable to ALL POLICYHOLDERS irrespective of their claim experience.....".

Is this the same as yours?
Pls share.
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Ya, this is a very good definition of renewability feature.

Please click here to see whether you can find what you want... Please read carefully...

 

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