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dreamer101
post Mar 29 2007, 09:57 PM

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QUOTE(athlon 11 @ Mar 29 2007, 08:57 PM)
for those who have buy 'have profit' type life insurance, (i.e. got dividend return or investment link) ,unless realy can not afford the premium pay,otherwise it is strongly discourage to terminate the plan.

they are 2 reason:

1)you guarantee lost a lot on the premium you early pay.

2)if later you buy a new insurance,you premium will be determine         
  by your current age,which will sure be more expensive than your
  early plan that count your premium on your early age.
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The proper advice is DO NOT BUY that kind of insurance to begin with.

Do not buy insurance with premium level that you cannot afford to pay.

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post Apr 15 2007, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(arsenal @ Apr 15 2007, 10:51 PM)
i really need ur help here..please help me...the thing is my company provide coverage for medical card and also supplementary insurance, which they deduct 24 ringgit every month but only valid till i work with them. Furthermore, i bought a MAA insurance which i pay 50 ringgit a month for 30 years, which give in return around 50K.
The thing i want to ask is;
(i) i just want an insurance that cover my medical need until i die. So which one is the best for me (insurance policy)?
(ii) Should i buy now or later since my company already providing me all the medical need? I am 23 this year and is there any diff if i take the insurance policy now or later?

Thanks.Please help me!!
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Arsenal,

1) Insurance is used for protection against financial ruins. Things that costs too much that you cannot cover for yourself. For young people like you, disability is a greater danger than medical. Young people normally do not get sick. The greatest danger is you get disable and cannot work for the rest of your life. How much disability protection do your MAA insurance provide?

2) Do you have enough savings so that you can survive without a job for 3 to 6 months?? You should do that first before any additional insurance??

3) Do you really need medical insurance or critical illness insurance?? Most typical medical stuff in Malaysia is not expensive. Protection against critical illness might be better.

4) Check out the insurance thread.

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post Apr 16 2007, 01:25 AM

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QUOTE(arsenal @ Apr 16 2007, 12:24 AM)
i want a insurance that cover like critical illness when i retire....like after i retire from work so on....currently my company one cover everything....so quite good....but the thing is i am not so sure after retirement age...
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Arsenal,

You have to survive until retirement age first. Do not put the cart before the horse.

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post Apr 17 2007, 08:29 PM

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QUOTE(nicholas84 @ Apr 17 2007, 11:34 AM)
when he's retired at 55, there's so limited amount of plans he can buy plus the premiums will be darn high


Added on April 17, 2007, 11:39 am

i)Can you afford premium of 100 years old? Medical insurance premium at age 70 is enough to kill ur retirement fund

ii)insurance that companies provide are always at a very minimum cost, which means the coverage is very little, with the rising medical cost every year, i think better have a contingency plan, isn't getting a good medical coverage a form of investment?


Added on April 17, 2007, 11:53 am
medical insurance is eligible for medical tax relief of maximum RM3000
so if under company account, no personal tax relief lo


Added on April 17, 2007, 11:54 am
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don't commit to something that you can't afford
pioritize your goals first


Added on April 17, 2007, 11:59 am
hi argiope
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1) Another insurance agent. I wish that I could meet some insurance agent that really service their customer as opposed to ONLY SELLING.

2) This is a young person. And, he / she has medical coverage now. Granted, the coverage may not be high but the possibility of a young person getting seriously sick is low.

3) A person need to survive financially until 55 before we can talk about retirement.

4) Even at 55, if a person do not have enough money to eat, we do not need to talk about getting sick.

5) If you are a good insurance agent, you would have advise the person to save money for emergency fund first. When a person is unemployed, you are NOT going to help him.

Running out of money, unemployed, are more likely to happen in life than getting sick at young age. Protected the most common problem fist. Especially, if you have some coverage form work.

At 55, you will not be looking for medical insurance anyhow. What you want is critical illness protection.

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post Apr 17 2007, 11:13 PM

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QUOTE(athlon 11 @ Apr 17 2007, 10:49 PM)
Arsenal,may i ask The 50k is your projected return rate or guarantee return rate?with the ROI of nearly 3 times,somehow seens to be too nice.
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<<with the ROI of nearly 3 times,somehow seens to be too nice.>>

Know how to calculate.

6% divide by 12 to get monthly interest
, number of payment - 12 * 30 years, monthly payment = 50

=FV(0.06/12,12*30,-50)

Goto Excel and key in that formula. The return at most is 6% per year.

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post Apr 17 2007, 11:41 PM

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QUOTE(arsenal @ Apr 17 2007, 11:17 PM)
yup//...it is projected return....
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Is it guaranteed or not?

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post Apr 18 2007, 12:49 AM

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QUOTE(nicholas84 @ Apr 18 2007, 12:35 AM)

5)Emergency fund is necessary for at least 3-6 months of their monthly income, that is if they're healthy, as long anyone is healthy they have no problem getting a job unless they have attitude problem, therefore if your're jobless and currently having a high coverage, downgrade it to lower one but do not completely delete it, being hospitalized during unemployment is the worst

In my experience, running out of job is the least things to happen in someone's life, if we're constantly facing this problem, i think we need to reflect upon ourselves.

So when you're unemployed, does the company coverage still covers?

Critical illness strike a person from infant stage up till old age, at age 55, let say kena cancer, so while waiting for the doctor to produce the report to file claim to insurance company, we use our own hard earned money which is meant for retirement to pay for hospital bills?


Added on April 18, 2007, 12:35 am
projected return is never guaranteed
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nicholas84,

<<In my experience, running out of job is the least things to happen in someone's life, if we're constantly facing this problem, i think we need to reflect upon ourselves>>

1) Since you are bornt in 1984, pardon us if we do not count on your experience. You have not face a recession while working yet.

<<being hospitalized during unemployment is the worst>>

2) Without money, you can be healthy but starve to death.

<<Emergency fund is necessary for at least 3-6 months of their monthly income, >>

3) If you are NOT focus on selling insurance, you would have say this FIRST before advising anyone to buy insurance.

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post Apr 18 2007, 02:27 AM

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QUOTE(nicholas84 @ Apr 18 2007, 01:03 AM)
1)don't experience told by our fore fathers counts? don't it count as exp when my dad lost his job as a manager is a well known textile factory? and how he lost his job again in a auditor firm? When he lost his job, all siblings has to stop college a while to work full time to support family, doesn't that count as exp? i may be young but i know what i've gone thru

2)Are we seriously spending 80% of your salary on insurance premium? no rite? normally is only 10%, how can we be starving?

3)I thought that is general knowledge? pardon me for assuming
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nicholas84,

1) So, how much savings do your parents has?? Or, they only buy life insurance? How long did he lost his job?/ How long it take him to find a new job?

2) You are very inexperienced. Do a survey around lowyat.net?? There are plenty of young people with NO SAVINGS but buy a lot of life insurance. Or, their only saving is life insurance.

3) No, it is NOT COMMON KNOWLEDGE. Saving money does not earn any commission for anybody. So, there are insurance agents that push people to buy life insurance even though their customer have NO SAVINGS.

ASSUME -> Make an ASS out of U and ME = ASSUME

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Added on April 18, 2007, 3:35 amhttp://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Insurance/AssessYourNeeds/InsuranceForTheYoungAndSingle.aspx

A good article explaining about the kind of insurance that you need for the young and single.

Please note that this is for USA where medical cost is high. For Malaysia, instead of health insurance with high deductible, you probably are looking for critical illness insurance with high deductible.

Furthermore, in Malaysia, you have less choices. You probably will be buying life insurance with disability protection. There is NO PURE disability insurance.

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This post has been edited by dreamer101: Apr 18 2007, 03:35 AM
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post Apr 18 2007, 10:17 AM

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QUOTE(nicholas84 @ Apr 18 2007, 10:07 AM)
1)he lost his job for almost half a year, yes he had emergency funds and all of us went out to work to slow down the fund depletion process and yes he has coverage for life, critical illness and hospital, during that period he maintain his protection and cancel all ours

2)i'm aware about that, but i don think you can blame insurance for this, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that emergency cash flow is always needed, anyway is only a handful of this kind of people who fail to pioritize and plan

3)it think it is, saving money has been taught since young by our parents, i don expect to walk into a restaurant and expect the chef to teach me how to use a fork

pardon me, but can you explain more detailed about no pure disability insurance?
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2) Why not?? We have insurance agents that tell people that they need to buy insurance but they do not tell people that they need emergency fund. So, people buy insurance but no money for savings.

3) Here you go again. You are trying to avoid responsibility. You are selling insurance to protect against risk but you do not honestly tell people that they need emergency fund too. Where is your integrity? Won't you at least make sure that your customer has at least enough savings before they buy insurance?

Check out the insurance thread. We had long drawn out discussion on this.

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post Nov 4 2007, 12:59 AM

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QUOTE(Shinichi @ Nov 4 2007, 12:41 AM)
oh, so mean if i earn 2k a month, so max i should spend in insurance is around 200 right?
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Shinichi,

Wrong question. Are you saving ANY money before you talk about buying insurance?? If you CANNOT save 10% to 15% of your income every month, why are you buying insurance??

Insurance is NOT saving.

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post Jan 2 2009, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(lousai @ Jan 2 2009, 10:48 AM)
Thx nevertheless, but i am opting for pure protection aka insurance. I try to use other alternatives for saving $$$

bbjslee, i dun really get your point here, cna you elaborate more, pls correct me if i am wrong
1. Term & Life (Insurance Comp like GE, AIA, Pru, etc)
2. Covers 2D only(Bank Policy), covers 3D (Same as 1.)

Thx hmm.gif
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lousai,

There are 11 pages of discussion on insurance on the below thread. Read it if you are interested. Then, post the relevant personal detail and people may discuss. I CHOOSE not to repeat myself again.

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/666501

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