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Unifi Official TM UniFi High Speed Broadband Thread V31, Speed Upgrade Coming Slowly

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lukemanz
post Jun 17 2017, 09:50 PM

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QUOTE(sandkoh @ Jun 17 2017, 11:02 AM)
hi, installed modem dir-850l near downstair tv. upstair now have weak wifi signal.

is there an alternative to buy higher power modem to extend coverage? any recommendation?

can use old streamyx modem as repeater to cover upstair wifi?
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There are 3 options:

1) Repeater over wifi: You put any router/wifi extender at upstairs and it will connect to the router downstairs using wifi. Very cheap, but your maximum speed is only half from the speed that you get using direct LAN cable

2) Repeater over LAN cable: You put any router/wifi extender at upstairs and it will connect to the router downstairs using LAN cable. Medium cost but very messy to layout the LAN cable from downstairs to upstairs. It will be high cost if involve conceal wiring.

3) Repeater over power socket: You put any router/wifi extender at upstairs and it will connect to the router downstairs using power socket. Highest cost from the 3 option but very easy to setup. No messy cable but have to sacrifice 2 plug point (1 downstair + 1 upstair) or can use AC pass-thru. If the power cable quality degrade, speed also will degrade. If your house electrical wiring is 3 phase, then need to buy the powerline that support 3 phase

I personally have experience both 2 (internet) & 3 (hypptv). I go for option 3 and regret not knowing option 3 before I did the option 2 since I go for conceal wiring on option 2. In the end my option 2 is expensive (RM1k) compared to my option 3 (RM140) doh.gif

Sample powerline kit: http://www.tp-link.com.my/products/details...PA4530-KIT.html

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post Jun 18 2017, 11:37 PM

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QUOTE(sandkoh @ Jun 18 2017, 10:53 AM)
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thx for the detailed reply.

using the powerline kit will not have half the speed issue of option 1?

found the price of TP-LINK TL-WPA4530 KIT AV500 Powerline ac Wi-Fi Kit to be from rm26x to rm300. u got it at rm140 from which shop?

tq!
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I'm using Aztech HL113EP : http://www.lazada.com.my/aztech-hl113ep-ho...66709.html?ff=1
https://www.aztech.com/commercial/odm-oem/homeplug/hl113ep
Since it is for hypptv, i has no wireless access point (AP) and direct 1 LAN cable only
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post Jul 3 2017, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(OKLY @ Jul 2 2017, 02:36 PM)
Considering they take 2-3mbps away from its advertised speed and multiply it with the number of subscribers, they will be able to save quite a lot of bandwidth to allow for more new subscribers.
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I think this is not true. On my experience, when I setup limit at my router (30M account, limit 10M). It will never reach 10M..maximum will reach 9.xM. I think same with our internet line. TM already set 30M but 2M-10M will be loss due to wiring, bending, copper issue, wireless issues and other losses issue. So since im getting speedtest 32M right now, perhaps TM may already set the account to be 32M - 35M.

As a customer, I also feel unfair that I did not get 30M before this. But TM is giving me 32M right now should be applauded.
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post Jul 3 2017, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(Xefron @ Jul 3 2017, 02:13 PM)
UniFi is using GPON, therefore it is possible.

GPON allows 2,300 Mbits/sec downstream per single optical fibre strand from the central office to a passive optical power splitter.

The only challenge is that they need to spend more for the OLT to support 1Gbps per customer.
This is based on my experience.

1) Your AP should be at the centre of your home
2)  AP should be place on higher place.
3) AP must only support N devices.Try not to support legacy devices.
4) Always set 20Mhz  for 2.4Ghz band
5) SSID should be different for each band.
6) 2.4Ghz for coverage ,5 Ghz for speed.
7) Forget range extender if the backhaul is not wired LAN.
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My insider told TM is currently internally testing 1Gbps for 1 fiber line and 1Gbps for 2 copper lines whistling.gif

Perhaps the 100M customers with premium price can pray they will get free speed upgrade to 200M that did not get this year
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post Jul 6 2017, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(fx_53_xt @ Jul 6 2017, 04:15 PM)
Here's the floorplan of my house. The red color line is the existing concealed ethernet cable:
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The existing setup is quite simple:
1) BTU resides at the fiber box sitting next to house entrance
2) BTU connects to router through concealed ethernet cable which is the red color line
3) STB / TV / PS4 / everything else connects to router's ethernet port
However, here's what i'd like to enhance to have better wifi coverage and local gigabit network:
1) Move the router to the red spot marked.
2) Gigabit switches near the TV to handles everything else that can do wired internet

Here's the plan:
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That create lots of headache because i dont really understand how switches handles VLAN tags:
1) From google it seems normal consumer level unmanaged layer 2 switches cant do VLAN tags
2) some review from Amazon on netgear switches claim that Netgear switch does in fact retain VLAN ID tags
3) Does this plan can even works? I'm not sure what's the behaviour when switches are daisy chained and how do they switches the data when VLAN are invloved.
(i.e. two different VLAN ID traffic are fed into one switch and piped to another switch then broadcast to respective MAC address)
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TM is currently deploying single box in UniFi copper area which combine BTU and router in one device. Soon, UniFi fiber area also will use the single box.
So, for future proof, you might want to think on this probability too

Other solution is to use powerline+repeater set such as: http://www.tp-link.com.my/products/details...A8630P-KIT.html
Then you can place TL-PA8010P at the TV area and put 1st TL-WPA8630P between room 1 and room 2 and 2nd TL-WPA8630P between room 2 and room 3
or just put single TL-WPA8630P at the red dot

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post Jul 7 2017, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(fx_53_xt @ Jul 7 2017, 12:52 AM)
Homeplug might work for STB but not for the rest, it will not meet my requirement. Homeplug's performance depends on too many variables:
- the age and quality of the power cable
- the electrical noise in the power supply
- the existence of high noise electrical appliances (fridge, microwave, aircond etc)
- and the length of the wires.
I've tried many version of homeplugs in my existing setup not only they didn't meet even half of the advertised speed (which is expected by the way), but most importantly the latency introduced by homeplug is horrible. My work requires access to multiple VM workstation across different countries and involves GUI so latency really could kill me.

Some off topic rant and disclaimer: I'm in no way a network expert but my requirements are slightly different from normal. Single device for Unifi or BTU + Router setup doesn't matter to me as long as it is a reliable solution. Here's my experience with TM:

8 years back i was the one of the first batch that installed Unifi VIP5, i remember we used to call it HSBB and the installation backlog was as long as half a year!
While they gave passable Alcatel-Lucent branded BTU, the orange color router was complete crap.
And that was a time not many people who has the networking knowledge to figure out what voodoo TM was using to manage the triple-play traffic.
KLseet was one of the first that figure out the VLAN tagging thingy but there wasn't any consumer level router except microtik that manages VLAN tags.
I remembered spending hours and hours reading his instruction, then with trial and error and finally using the orange TM router as a bridge to manage the VLAN tag and pass the routing job to a proper router.

I do note that VLAN is a common practice for ISP everywhere to manage Voice/IPTV/internet traffic to end user but TM just made life harder for everyone. I still remember they left all the password default and left a backdoor open supposedly for easy troubleshooting from their end. I do not know if this is now improved.

8 years has passed and I am now coming back again to similarly confusing TM.
- There's different promotion price and promotion package everywhere.
- I wasn't allowed to apply using my own name because i am still overseas and cant do biometric verification and no reps are allowed even with authorization letter (although i later found there was a line for authorized person in the service application and acceptance form), i had to borrow someone else's name to register my unifi. How's ironic is that for fraud prevention.
- Installer came and i communicated with him over the phone. Asked him to test if my existing cables are Cat5e / Cat6 capable of GBe, he either doesn't understand or just lazy. I asked him to extend the fiber to my TV area at which i can solve all my current requirement all at once but instead, he just plug the BTU into my existing fiber box, with literally no cabling work involved and then tell me cabling is not part of installation.
- Didn't have a TV currently at the new place and he claim he wont install the STB because lack of TV. I explain TV will arrive later so i would like to have the STB ready and he dozed off.
- Called TM and complained about the cabling and STB, next day he came by and drop me a these bunch of stuffs. What am i going to do with these fiber? Does he honestly thinks average person have skills and tools to splice the fiber?
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I'll be back next weekend to try and find the best way to sort this out. Too bad Time does not service my area.
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Sad to hear your experience on the homeplug.
But my experience is the opposite. Im using Aztech HL113EP Homeplug and the speed I got is the same with LAN connection. On the latency, it increase 1ms compared to LAN connection. My router is located at 1st floor while the connection with hompleug is at the living room in the ground floor.

On the router site, TM have improve. Previously the dual band is only for 100M customer. Now, all new UniFi customers get the dual band router regardless of speed.

On the backdoor on the orange router, every router has a backdoor if you are expert on networking and not just that router (even CISCO router). Even Windows, Mac, Android & IOS have backdoor. Man made things have limitation, but they keep improving from time to time.

On the VLAN, you must dont have experience using STB with Streamyx. If you have the experience, then you will cheerish the VLAN since if you use the internet 100% bandwidth, by VLAN it will not get issue on your UnIFi VOIP and HyppTV STB

On the installer, normal human like me unable to understand instructions clearly just by over the phone with some one I did not know. Face to face communications will solve the issue. Also testing STB need TV. If you did not have TV, it can be test with monitor that have HDMI or RGB cable (but unable to test the sound). How on earth can test STB without TV or monitor?

Other rants I agreed whistling.gif

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post Jul 15 2017, 08:37 PM

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QUOTE(Hornet @ Jul 15 2017, 12:33 PM)
Anyone knows what is the process to have tmnet bring their service to new housing project?

Is it the developer have to get tmnet to do it, or just wait until tmnet decide ?
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If your housing is high rise, get the joint management body or building management to write letter/email with letter attachement to Time requesting for internet in your housing area.
However, if your housing is landed write letter to TM as Time will not dare invest on landed premise. Supporting signature from all the premise owner is also good as added value. For TM maybe can send the letter to the Manager of the nearest TMpoint.

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post Jul 17 2017, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(christina1 @ Jul 17 2017, 01:44 PM)
When will Unifi come with 500Mbps - 1GBps for home users.
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Hopefully within next 2 years, as part of the Broadband Initiative under Bajet 2017 (double the speed at half the price)

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