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post May 11 2017, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(kcchong2000 @ May 11 2017, 08:38 AM)
Good job for ts but here /k and Malaysian concern on RV. Even whole family die janji RV masih Ada. If Honda or Toyota make from Milo tin or cardbox also confirm got ppl buy coz got RV
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Not exactly.

Toyota lost ground because Vios was stuck with 4sp AT and no VSC when new Honda City got CVT, ESC and up to 6 airbags. By the time Vios updated with CVT, VSC, too little too late until today.

Bezza Advance with VSC alone makes up nearly half of all Bezza sold.

People avoid proton bcuz the Punch CVT well known to be bad and high fc. After sales also not as affordable as Perodua, Honda and Toyota, at least for the standard maintenance items.
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post May 11 2017, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(fertzm @ May 11 2017, 08:30 AM)
explain safety panjang2 last2 people ask.. jimat minyak x..? rv tinggi..? kalau tak baik beli perodua lg jimat minyak.. loollll
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Rejecting Perodua's offer of Toyota Dual VVT-i + 4sp E-AT powertrain was their stupidest decision ever.

Had they accepted it, Proton would flourish now. Even proton also people will tak pening, tak fikir, beli je. Peace of mind, jimat fc, cheap service, safety like a Volvo.
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post May 11 2017, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(kcchong2000 @ May 11 2017, 10:55 AM)
Eh.... I think u need update. The vios now is 6at but vsc is only higher end baru Ada.
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You're the one that need update, Vios now is CVT, VSC is standard across all.

I was referring back in 2014, when current gen City was launched, it was the first in its class with VSC and up to 6 airbags for top spec.

Yet, Toyota, Nissan just maintain their cars with 4sp AT and none have VSC. Toyota instead went and do roadshow la, advertise Vios can drift la, topkek.

Only last year finally Toyota launch Vios with Dual VVT-i, CVT and VSC across all. But too little too late, for previous 2 years, City wiped the floor off Vios and Almera.
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post May 30 2017, 09:31 AM

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QUOTE(Matrix @ May 30 2017, 09:03 AM)
I can agree t this. It would solve Proton's Achilles's Heel. The Campro and Punch.

Heart and Soul of the car. With Toyota's engine and power train and Lotus ride and handling, it would made a deadly combo.
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>"a deadly combo"
>in car accident thread

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Now change strategy to rebadge Geely Boyue. Looks nice, if priced well, and specced correctly, can be a hit thumbup.gif


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post May 31 2017, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(ngeo88 @ May 31 2017, 07:59 AM)
hope not this again

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That one Great Wall/Haval, older gen cars. Have faith in Geely Boyue, developed with inputs from Volvo personnels biggrin.gif


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post Jun 3 2017, 07:29 AM

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QUOTE(syafiqsm @ Jun 3 2017, 06:54 AM)
I'm totally digging these looks. Classy and upmarket.

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Don't really like the front lekuk on the headlamp ala Mercedes.

I think Proton shouldn't bother spending on design, Msians don't care. The car can be as ugly as can be, but if janji got Japanese powertrain, they instantly trust it'll be high quality, low fc, cheap to maintain, that's what they want most from a car.

This Geely Boyue is a bit disadvantaged in the sense people will think it's typical china car quality, but with a bit of marketing about Volvo's tech at really affordable price (which they better get it right, it has to feel the price is considerably less than Japanese), and bolster after sales support, it might just be a hit. Better proton channel their resources here than to design, which failed for how many years edi. Syok sendiri design won't sell the car, after how many models keep failing sales, still never learn.
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post Jun 3 2017, 01:29 PM

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QUOTE(Pete the great @ Jun 3 2017, 09:11 AM)
True but i wonder after recent overturn geely suv demo....does their cars hv super high centre of gravity ?
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What Geely suv overturned? You're confusing with Great Wall/Haval?

And that was a old model. Even newer Haval models are improving a lot.
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post Aug 18 2017, 02:16 AM

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QUOTE(Orangutara @ Aug 17 2017, 10:48 PM)
You are clearly an idiot. Do you know how to read? What is your level of education?

The former Audi's crash engineer was comparing between Iriz and Bezza crash result and he explained why and how Bezza could score high points. It was due to WEIGHT.

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A short glance on Honda's website for Jazz and City reveals the weight for these two cars at only 1100 max as compared to Iriz which is 1180g, and Persona is 1210kg. This "duo" are the heaviest B-segment cars in the Malaysian market today.

In high speed collision between Iriz/Persona versus City/Jazz - the latter will suffer the most.

The models he mentioned is irrelevant, his elaboration on crash test technicalities is what matters.

REFERENCES:

Jazz: https://www.honda.com.my/model/specifications/jazz

City: https://www.honda.com.my/model/specifications/city

Iriz: http://www.proton-edar.com.my/en/Models/Ir...iew%20Page.aspx

Persona: http://www.newpersona.proton.com/
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Well his mind is shut off edi, he only sees crash test numbers and conclude Honda is safer than Proton, full stop.

It is only so as they both crash into inanimate crash test equipment, thus own car's momentum is key differentiator. Since both crashed at same speed, heavier car will be at a slight disadvantage as it has higher momentum to disperse.

But in real world, the variables are much wider. The heavier car may have the advantage if it crashes with much bigger, heavier object as the difference in momentum is smaller. The lighter car, with bigger gap in momentum, may not be able to absorb and disperse the force as well as the heavier car, the frame will just give way and the occupants are more vulnerable. Physics law is absolute.

That's why Volvo never makes compact car, ultimately a bigger car allows more room to reinforce the cars enough to protect occupants better in real world accident. Their current smallest car, V40 hatch broke record as the World's Safest Car when it first sold, but comes at a price of space, as it is not generous with interior or boot space, nor is it the lightest in its class. All that space gone and heavier weight goes to maximise safety of the car.

Proton's safety in newer models is never in doubt, they just need better, fuel efficient powertrain and improve aftersales to be a good seller.
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post Aug 18 2017, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(ashestoashes @ Aug 18 2017, 08:54 AM)
those can save you from dying?
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No, but Msians never the most safety conscious people in the first place.

Can say 99.99% never wear seat belt at the back.

Some even buy the fake seat belt latch to shut up the seat belt warning, arguing wanna go kedai no need seat belt lar.

Simply change lane, no see mirror, no give signal.

Hog mid and right lane instead of "keep left except overtaking", agitating some drivers to undertake, even more dangerous.

Drive wrong direction.
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post Aug 18 2017, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(ashestoashes @ Aug 18 2017, 11:43 AM)
japan touch in engine+gearbox tech, plus quality fit & finishing some more.

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i don't see the connection between your point above with this one laugh.gif
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That's what majority rather pay for. Safety is not in their mind, as evidenced by their lackadaisal attitude in safety.

One offer Japanese DNA but tin milo safety.

The other offer Conti level safety, but projek sekolah powertrain.

If Msians really care about safety, they wouldn't buy the tin milo, no matter what else it offers.
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post Aug 28 2017, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(Orangutara @ Aug 28 2017, 09:50 AM)
The importance of wearing seatbelt. Primary restraining system.
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Did he not wear seat belt? Crash impact doesn't even affect the cabin, such a shame if died because of not wearing seat belt + airbag impact sad.gif
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post Jan 4 2018, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(Robotic @ Nov 11 2017, 12:16 AM)
This type of accident is not even within the scope of “Small Overlap Crash”. The driver had passed away.

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Wow, that's like micro overlap crash shocking.gif

Unfortunately, it's big enough to scrape off the seat belt at B-pillar, thus driver must've taken in the full impact afterwards and succumbed to it, RIP sad.gif

 

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