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post May 11 2017, 07:52 AM, updated 9y ago

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PROTON CAR ACCIDENTS - A COMPILATION OF REAL WORLD CRASHES


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IT HAS BEEN 5 YEARS since Proton adopted a technology known as HOT PRESS FORMING (HPF) which was used in some of their latest car models.

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“In order to develop the REinforced Safety Structure (RESS), Proton acquired the Hot Press Forming (HPF) technology, making Proton the first carmaker in the ASEAN region and eighth in the world to acquire the Hot Press Forming technology. In the HPF technology, steel pieces are heated to 900 °C and the red hot steel pieces are stamped before being quenched at 4 °C, changing the steel phase from austenite to martensite. The process increases the strength of steel parts from the original 500 MPa to 1,500 MPa.”



ACADEMIC DISCUSSION WRITTEN BY MALAYSIAN ON HOT PRESS FORMING (HPF):

1) “Evaluation of hot press forming parts for Euro NCAP 5-star in Proton Preve” - http://dspace.unimap.edu.my/xmlui/bitstrea....pdf?sequence=1

2) “Optimization of quenching process in hot press forming of 22MnB5 steel for high strength
properties” - http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/...50/1/012064/pdf

3) “An overview of high thermal conductive hot press forming die material”
development - http://jmes.ump.edu.my/images/Volume_9/14_...and%20Aqida.pdf


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Laboratory crash test might not tell the whole truth about vehicle’s crashworthiness. So why not we see for ourselves how these HPF-equipped Proton cars perform in the real world.

We have seen time and time again how people simply perish in car accidents. Sometimes the whole family was wipe out in an event that probably takes mere seconds. They’re all gone. Forever. And most of the time, it wasn’t even their fault. It’s heartbreaking.

From car safety point of view, they are two types of carmakers in MALAYSIA: (1) the FIRST WORLD carmakers that make cars to comply with the THIRD WORLD safety standards; OR (2) the THIRD WORLD carmaker that makes cars to comply with the FIRST WORLD safety standards.

The BRAND power is strong. No matter how hard that carmaker is trying to sell its safe cars, Malaysians are still going to buy that freaking Dugong which is probably made out of a few thin layers of metal sheet. When accidents happen, there will be a group of people that going to suggest an alternative to that Dugong, and there will be another group of people that going to say “kalau dah takdir, naik kereta kebal pun boleh mati”.


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Feel free to post photos of accidents involving any of these HPF-equipped models here.

You may use https://ctrlq.org/images/ to upload the photos and hotlinking it here. [No registration or sign-up required]. I would appreciate if you could include a short commentary on that accident such as what types of vehicles were involved and whether or no there was fatality.



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PROTON PREVE/SUPRIMA S - HOT PRESS FORMING (HPF) - HIGH STRENGTH AND ULTRA HIGH STRENGTH STEELS - BORON STEELS

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PROTON IRIZ - HOT PRESS FORMING (HPF) - HIGH STRENGTH AND ULTRA HIGH STRENGTH STEELS - BORON STEELS

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PROTON PERSONA (2nd Generation) - HOT PRESS FORMING (HPF) - HIGH STRENGTH AND ULTRA HIGH STRENGTH STEELS - BORON STEELS

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Got 1 accident pic only. Where got compilation?
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post May 11 2017, 08:01 AM

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Why asking for such things early in the morning
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the title....perghh...nothing related with the rest of pic.
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Rakyat want...

30k price premium spec on Persona with HPF.

15k on Saga.

80k on Perdana.

Protong need to accept the facts that P1 are a Greed crony company !!!

And Rakyat want a dying crony company to stop being arrogant !!!
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Just buy shitty berukdua, accident straight die xyah menyusahkan orang
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lol the amount of HPF from Iriz to Persona, especially from the side.


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post May 11 2017, 08:18 AM

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post May 11 2017, 08:28 AM

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explain safety panjang2 last2 people ask.. jimat minyak x..? rv tinggi..? kalau tak baik beli perodua lg jimat minyak.. loollll
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Anyone got news Preve or Iriz involved in fatal crash?
Seems like the ancap 5 stars is real for Proton.
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ASEAN NCAP AOP Results:

Proton Iriz/Persona: 14.07/16.00
Honda Jazz: 15.58/16.00
Honda City: 15.80/16.00

WHY? HOW?
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Good job for ts but here /k and Malaysian concern on RV. Even whole family die janji RV masih Ada. If Honda or Toyota make from Milo tin or cardbox also confirm got ppl buy coz got RV
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ok ok gooding edy

how bout hiring designers that dont have small wheel arch fetish now.
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proton is a beast. salute proton that can produce this cheapest car and better quality.
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QUOTE(Revamperz @ May 11 2017, 08:39 AM)
ok ok gooding edy

how bout hiring designers that dont have small wheel arch fetish now.
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I believe the boards itself yang problem.. Designer's proved they can produce drooling designs, such as Tuah. But you know lah after production how..
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please next time dont design weird looking wheel base
like persona shakehead.gif
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mana compilation, mang?
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it's been 5 years already..

can they implement other tech pulak pls?
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implement new engine and drive train pls..

lane monitoring system
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kek... Proton "accidents" compilation, but only got 1 accident case, then the rest talked about Proton's "uniquely" tough hardened steels and its process whistling.gif
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ANCAP 5 star pun mau heboh
Bukan Euro ACAP atau IIHS pun
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QUOTE(daijoubu @ May 11 2017, 09:23 AM)
ANCAP 5 star pun mau heboh
Bukan Euro ACAP atau IIHS pun
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Proton Waja (Impian) in UK got 3 star Euro Cap...so we can assume Preve and Iriz can get at least 4 star?
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yesterday in went bukit tinggi klang proton do showroom there display all car model i try open the door preve n suprima is really damm heavy . I believe this car is safe but not save fcif proton can make car tat is safe n safe i think rakyat will choose them again .Suprima door is slightly heavier than preve thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(amxpayne67 @ May 11 2017, 09:41 AM)
Proton Waja (Impian) in UK got 3 star Euro Cap...so we can assume Preve and Iriz can get at least 4 star?
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Not too sure, maybe can kua but their standards might've changed over the years, its harder to get good ratings now, unless you have good design and good materials.
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This thread is last minute sales pitch before Proton becomes fully Bangla owned company. hahaha
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QUOTE(daijoubu @ May 11 2017, 09:52 AM)
Not too sure, maybe can kua but their standards might've changed over the years, its harder to get good ratings now, unless you have good design and good materials.
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The thing is, proton tends to follow european standards liao.

Unker still remember when the proton saga is a hit in UK market
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QUOTE(matmoto5125 @ May 11 2017, 08:36 AM)
ASEAN NCAP AOP Results:

Proton Iriz/Persona: 14.07/16.00
Honda Jazz: 15.58/16.00
Honda City: 15.80/16.00

WHY? HOW?
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clever engineering with lighter kerb weight. Iriz/Persona is 100kg+ heavier.
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QUOTE(amxpayne67 @ May 11 2017, 09:54 AM)
The thing is, proton tends to follow european standards liao.

Unker still remember when the proton saga is a hit in UK market
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I'd tend to agree that handling wise Proton is closer to european standard compared to japanese counterpart, partly due to Lotus' influence, but trim wise is not there yet.
As for chassis design and safety design, until there is Euro NCAP ratings it would be hard to say. But having rated lower than Japanese car ratings in the lower standard ANCAP, I find that most likely it's not there yet..
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Tokok so much, if accident only the pillars are HPF, then if sideways accident, pillars are intact but the door normal steel sudah kemek and squish ur stomach and intestines u would still die la.


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Anyone know the reason , many victims will have umbrella over the body even though fully covered with sheets or body bag ?'
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QUOTE(Toyoi @ May 11 2017, 10:07 AM)
Honda success in MY in year 2017, sales up 40%, market share over 20
5 May 2017

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4282582
...“In terms of market share, Honda contributed 19.4% to the TIV as of March 2017, which was 5.1 points higher compared to the same period last year. Following the strong results from the two models launched in the first quarter, Honda Malaysia achieved an all-time high with a record of 20.5% market share for the very first time in March 2017,” the company said.
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biggrin.gif Honda is King. Toyoita can saupei.
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QUOTE(hikashi @ May 11 2017, 10:00 AM)
clever engineering with lighter kerb weight. Iriz/Persona is 100kg+ heavier.
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not because of chassis, coz campro engine using cast iron block.....if they using aluminium block, should be - 100 - 200kg..or more....

in term of chassis, proton > honda i believe, in term of others.. honda > proton..

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QUOTE(kcchong2000 @ May 11 2017, 08:38 AM)
Good job for ts but here /k and Malaysian concern on RV. Even whole family die janji RV masih Ada. If Honda or Toyota make from Milo tin or cardbox also confirm got ppl buy coz got RV
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Not exactly.

Toyota lost ground because Vios was stuck with 4sp AT and no VSC when new Honda City got CVT, ESC and up to 6 airbags. By the time Vios updated with CVT, VSC, too little too late until today.

Bezza Advance with VSC alone makes up nearly half of all Bezza sold.

People avoid proton bcuz the Punch CVT well known to be bad and high fc. After sales also not as affordable as Perodua, Honda and Toyota, at least for the standard maintenance items.
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QUOTE(fertzm @ May 11 2017, 08:30 AM)
explain safety panjang2 last2 people ask.. jimat minyak x..? rv tinggi..? kalau tak baik beli perodua lg jimat minyak.. loollll
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Rejecting Perodua's offer of Toyota Dual VVT-i + 4sp E-AT powertrain was their stupidest decision ever.

Had they accepted it, Proton would flourish now. Even proton also people will tak pening, tak fikir, beli je. Peace of mind, jimat fc, cheap service, safety like a Volvo.
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QUOTE(tokdukun @ May 11 2017, 10:38 AM)
Not exactly.

Toyota lost ground because Vios was stuck with 4sp AT and no VSC when new Honda City got CVT, ESC and up to 6 airbags. By the time Vios updated with CVT, VSC, too little too late until today.

Bezza Advance with VSC alone makes up nearly half of all Bezza sold.

People avoid proton bcuz the Punch CVT well known to be bad and high fc. After sales also not as affordable as Perodua, Honda and Toyota, at least for the standard maintenance items.
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Eh.... I think u need update. The vios now is 6at but vsc is only higher end baru Ada.
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QUOTE(kcchong2000 @ May 11 2017, 10:55 AM)
Eh.... I think u need update. The vios now is 6at but vsc is only higher end baru Ada.
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You're the one that need update, Vios now is CVT, VSC is standard across all.

I was referring back in 2014, when current gen City was launched, it was the first in its class with VSC and up to 6 airbags for top spec.

Yet, Toyota, Nissan just maintain their cars with 4sp AT and none have VSC. Toyota instead went and do roadshow la, advertise Vios can drift la, topkek.

Only last year finally Toyota launch Vios with Dual VVT-i, CVT and VSC across all. But too little too late, for previous 2 years, City wiped the floor off Vios and Almera.
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Gambar crash only got 1.

What kinda compilation is this
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QUOTE(tokdukun @ May 11 2017, 11:01 AM)
You're the one that need update, Vios now is CVT, VSC is standard across all.

I was referring back in 2014, when current gen City was launched, it was the first in its class with VSC and up to 6 airbags for top spec.

Yet, Toyota, Nissan just maintain their cars with 4sp AT and none have VSC. Toyota instead went and do roadshow la, advertise Vios can drift la, topkek.

Only last year finally Toyota launch Vios with Dual VVT-i, CVT and VSC across all. But too little too late, for previous 2 years, City wiped the floor off Vios and Almera.
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Cheese kek. I thought anyone going to share something here. It's OK. Let me update this slowly but surely.


Proton Preve AND a Bomba truck


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I couldn't locate the other photo of this accident. The one in turtle position. I believe it's here somewhere on Lowyat forum

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1 death reported.

(Death was due to heart attack prior to accident - confirmed by reliable source)

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From your observation

Preve,suprima,iriz compared to myvi lagi best till myvi icon in term of death/severe injuries
Which is higher?

Forgeht to mention
Remember a pilot drove an iriz then a big chunk of tree fall on the car, he survive with cuts only

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Inb4 no berukdua accident tered because if berukdua involve in major accident confirm gone case, nothing worthy to mention.
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Jaguh kampung mentality...Bodo....3rd world quality....This tech already used by others >10years ago...Even entry level cars also use it.....

Gold =HBF for entire cage
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QUOTE(jacy5 @ May 13 2017, 09:48 PM)
Jaguh kampung mentality...Bodo....3rd world quality....This tech already used by others >10years ago...Even entry level cars also use it.....

Gold =HBF for entire cage
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woi mangkuk. Volvo XC90 got more hpf parts than that Audi. And it's freaking 400k price tag. this is about car most people can buy
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Jaguh kampung mentality...Bodo....3rd world quality....This tech already used by others >10years ago...Even entry level cars also use it.....

Gold =HBF for entire cage
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Your point is?
Berukdua since early years till now, myvi lack ESC
Not going to mention that?
I smell proton/berukdua haters and only love conti cars

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woi mangkuk. Volvo XC90 got more hpf parts than that Audi. And it's freaking 400k price tag. this is about car most people can buy
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Your point is?
Berukdua since early years till now, myvi lack ESC
Not going to mention that?
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Yes. Agree

Just don't come here and act genius. You tell me which car here in Malaysia that is priced between 50k-100k (affordable price range) and has as many HPF parts as Proton?

You talk about Audi A3? Tell me how much that it costs?

Don't play the same old record "if Proton doesn't exist, the price of other car is cheaper, bla, bla,bla"
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QUOTE(jacy5 @ May 13 2017, 09:55 PM)
More people buy XC90 vs Audi a3?!!   Donkey lar....
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He has a point
Hpf on affordable car
Not everyone can buy Audi a3/xc60/90
Technically your point of audi a3 has it long time ago doesnt seem mucj relevant to this thread though

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From your observation

Preve,suprima,iriz compared to myvi lagi best till myvi icon in term of death/severe injuries
Which is higher?

Forgeht to mention
Remember a pilot drove an iriz then a big chunk of tree fall on the car, he survive with cuts only
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Hi bro. Here's the preliminary statistics of Proton HPF-equipped cars:

Preve: 4 reported deaths

Suprima: NONE

Iriz: 3 reported deaths

new Persona: NONE

Yes, I have that Pilot photos too. 26 of them. Will post it here.
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Rejecting Perodua's offer of Toyota Dual VVT-i + 4sp E-AT powertrain was their stupidest decision ever.

Had they accepted it, Proton would flourish now. Even proton also people will tak pening, tak fikir, beli je. Peace of mind, jimat fc, cheap service, safety like a Volvo.
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QUOTE(syafiqsm @ May 13 2017, 09:57 PM)
Yes. Agree

Just don't come here and act genius. You tell me which car here in Malaysia that is priced between 50k-100k (affordable price range) and has as many HPF parts as Proton?

You talk about Audi A3? Tell me how much that it costs?

Don't play the same old record "if Proton doesn't exist, the price of other car is cheaper, bla, bla,bla"
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QUOTE(myteam94 @ May 13 2017, 09:58 PM)
He has a point
Hpf on affordable car
Not everyone can buy Audi a3/xc60/90
Technically your point of audi a3 has it long time ago doesnt seem mucj relevant to this thread though
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lol, HPF is just the steel forming technology la
you measure steel by its tensile strength, not whether its HPF or not.
if dont use HPF then use other methods to make the steel parts become ultra high strength.


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Not bad....passenger cell integrity maintained overall...
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see if you still want to buy perodua...
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ekcelli, hot-press doesnt matter. what matters is how it's cooled down

the article said it's quenched to 4dC to for martensitic structure = fail (if full martensite)

martensitic = high hardness, no ductility, low impact strength = macam glass

then again, if it's use at the front of vehicle, still ok - it's meant to break and stop the transfer of energy to the passengers (like how F1 cars will shatter to billion pieces upon impact)

i think the standard material used today would at least be HSLA and forming a 2 phase (2 microstructure) steel through heat treatment (heat to ~800dC and controlled cooling)
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How many HPF components in the Persona eh?
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The steel coil case, the driver no seatbelt?
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The steel coil case, the driver no seatbelt?
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How many HPF components in the Persona eh?
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Same like Iriz: 8 ultra high-strength steels (UHSS), hot press parts = 1470Mpa + 8 ultra high-strength steels (UHSS), cold-rolled parts = 1180Mpa

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just join any road traffic/info info group in facebook or whatsapp

see if you still want to buy perodua...
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Involve in accident with my myvi
Friend patah kaki, airbag deployed but kaki tersepit dekat glovebox

Family still suggest to buy new myvi.. i was like what~~


Conclusion : family chose to buy a preve
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QUOTE(myteam94 @ May 14 2017, 08:54 PM)
Involve in accident with my myvi
Friend patah kaki, airbag deployed but kaki tersepit dekat glovebox

Family still suggest to buy new myvi.. i was like what~~
Conclusion : family chose to buy a preve
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Preve (and Suprima) cabin integrity is PHENOMENAL. All death reported (except one case) in Preve was due to not wearing seatbelt.

The American Insurance Institute for Highway Safety DOESN'T RECOMMEND small cars at all. They tell you to go bigger, at least C segment cars for safety purposes

Even for Iriz. If you can afford to go for Preve/Suprima, you better do. Unless money is your concern and/or what you really need is just small compact car.

One thing that I'm very concern about right now is Iriz/Persona SIDE IMPACT CRASH. They were 2 reported deaths on Iriz for this type of crash.

Another one is SMALL OVERLAP CRASH. I don't think Iriz/Persona body structure was designed for it. Time will tell.



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I do believe the newer proton cars are far more equal to the rest of other cars in its class esp Malaysian market. Sadly Malaysian aren't giving it much credit.
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In public defend. Proton is a polarizing choice. Excelling in some area like safety, but miserably failed in some other.

This is because Proton is lagging behind in terms of latest technologies and overall refinement. Proton loses ground when it comes to "middle class" Malaysians.

The one that's looking for cars priced between 50k - 100k. There are so many offerings by other marques. Better looking, better refinement, better FUEL CONSUMPTION, better RESALE VALUE. But "not necessarily" better SAFETY.

But still, current competitively-priced Honda Civic is no safety lacking either.

I don't want to mention about SUV market. Because Proton is stupid enough not to jump on the bandwagon.

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preve cabin looks intact even during head on collisions
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TS works for which rival car company?
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QUOTE(syafiqsm @ May 14 2017, 10:56 PM)
In public defend. Proton is a polarizing choice. Excelling in some area like safety, but miserably failed in some other.

This is because Proton is lagging behind in terms of latest technologies and overall refinement. Proton loses ground when it comes to "middle class" Malaysians.

The one that's looking for cars priced between 50k - 100k. There are so many offerings by other marques. Better looking, better refinement, better FUEL CONSUMPTION, better RESALE VALUE. But "not necessarily" better SAFETY.

But still, current competitively-priced Honda Civic is no safety lacking either.

I don't want to mention about SUV market. Because Proton is stupid enough not to jump on the bandwagon.
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SuV market. Maybe proton is unable to stretch its resources?
That being said, while proton played some catch up with the current tech, the other car markets probably moved 3 notches up.

Time and again, some thinks proton need a partner

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QUOTE(myteam94 @ May 14 2017, 08:54 PM)
Involve in accident with my myvi
Friend patah kaki, airbag deployed but kaki tersepit dekat glovebox

Family still suggest to buy new myvi.. i was like what~~
Conclusion : family chose to buy a preve
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QUOTE(koolspyda @ May 14 2017, 11:02 PM)
SuV market. Maybe proton is unable to stretch its resources? 
That being said, while proton played some catch up with the current tech, the other car markets probably moved 3 notches up.

Time and again, some thinks proton need a partner
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Yes, indeed. A partner will be able to "level the playing field" in terms of technologies that Proton desperately need, e.g electric/hybrid powertrain and many other areas.
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QUOTE(Mooneyes @ May 14 2017, 10:07 PM)
Proton cars ugly as shiet
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QUOTE(fireballs @ May 14 2017, 11:13 PM)
got friend still mati mati want to buy axia
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Axia for short distance/city driving okay la (small engine less fc, easy to park, can uturn anywhere, can cilok2)😂
But highway n long distance cannot la
Small, underpowered engine, tak stable, no safety features like esc


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QUOTE(myteam94 @ May 14 2017, 11:23 PM)
Axia for short distance/city driving okay la (small engine less fc, easy to park, can uturn anywhere, can cilok2)😂
But highway n long distance cannot la
Small, underpowered engine, tak stable, no safety features like esc
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they want to buy the E version. abs pun tak ada and yet dare to claim 4 star ncap
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QUOTE(syafiqsm @ May 14 2017, 02:53 PM)
Proton Preve - SINGLE-VEHICLE ACCIDENT

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If the driver wears his seatbelts, he could've survived the crash.
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QUOTE(fireballs @ May 14 2017, 11:27 PM)
they want to buy the E version. abs pun tak ada and yet dare to claim 4 star ncap
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4 star because they tested the highest spec.

For Proton cars, they always tested the lowest spec so that the crash test result will be applicable to all spec.

Now we can see which manufacturer emphasis of customers safety or marketing to maximize profit.
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QUOTE(Smoochy poohh @ May 14 2017, 11:31 PM)
If the driver wears his seatbelts, he could've survived the crash.
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That's the problem with enforcement officers. Half of total death reported involving Preve cars were due to them not wearing seatbelt. They should change their policy regarding this. Perhaps for low speed patrol task, they can choose not to wear it. But once they reach highway speed, they should be required to wear it.
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QUOTE(syafiqsm @ May 14 2017, 09:12 PM)
Preve (and Suprima) cabin integrity is PHENOMENAL. All death reported (except one case) in Preve was due to not wearing seatbelt.

The American Insurance Institute for Highway Safety DOESN'T RECOMMEND small cars at all. They tell you to go bigger, at least C segment cars for safety purposes

Even for Iriz. If you can afford to go for Preve/Suprima, you better do. Unless money is your concern and/or what you really need is just small compact car.

One thing that I'm very concern about right now is Iriz/Persona SIDE IMPACT CRASH. They were 2 reported deaths on Iriz for this type of crash.

Another one is SMALL OVERLAP CRASH. I don't think Iriz/Persona body structure was designed for it. Time will tell.


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Small overlap is the hardest currently
Even last time lots of car failed
Nowdays a bit better
Tested by IIHS

Same like pedestrian safety crash
Now lots of cars have improve on that

No point for proton
Our market is only for RV value and cheap ownership

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Proton Suprima AND Toyota Altis
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QUOTE(myteam94 @ May 14 2017, 11:23 PM)
Axia for short distance/city driving okay la (small engine less fc, easy to park, can uturn anywhere, can cilok2)😂
But highway n long distance cannot la
Small, underpowered engine, tak stable, no safety features like esc
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Once you bought the car, it will be used everywhere..

Most axia on the road i think is without the ABS version...lol
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Shyt, sked weh to see those picture, cannot imagine if perodua involve same situation like this, pitty malaysian more appreciate fc, rv and sales figure more than their life, we are forgot accident can happen any time even we drive safer


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QUOTE(Smoochy poohh @ May 14 2017, 11:35 PM)
4 star because they tested the highest spec.

For Proton cars, they always tested the lowest spec so that the crash test result will be applicable to all spec.

Now we can see which manufacturer emphasis of customers safety or marketing to maximize profit.
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That's not always the case here.

Proton used Iriz 1.6 Executive for ASEAN NCAP crash test.

Base model of new Proton Saga has no ABS too.

Granted. Proton ain't Volvo. The former focuses on safety to meet FIRST WORLD regulations. The latter is all about obsession that has nothing to do with legal requirements.
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QUOTE(syafiqsm @ May 14 2017, 11:36 PM)
That's the problem with enforcement officers. Half of total death reported involving Preve cars were due to them not wearing seatbelt. They should change their policy regarding this. Perhaps for low speed patrol task, they can choose not to wear it. But once they reach highway speed, they should be required to wear it.
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I rather leave people who choose not to wear seat-belts, they get taste of their own medicine. who cares.
Reckless drivers is the one enforcers should focused on since they're put other lives in dangers.
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next is to tackle kids roaming freely in the car.
those parents who allow kids not strapped down must be stripped of their driving licence
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next is to tackle kids roaming freely in the car.
those parents who allow kids not strapped down must be stripped of their driving licence
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As for big family, I can only wish next gen EXORA will come with HPF parts. But I heard that they won't.

Such a tragedy for big family
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As for big family, I can only wish next gen EXORA will come with HPF parts. But I heard that they won't.

Such a tragedy for big family
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i think exora will increase price, as no more price pressure, use ertiga for lower spec lower price.
i would be suprised if they dont use hpf. then again, dont think exora will see any update in the chasis. probably major facelift only.

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QUOTE(syafiqsm @ May 14 2017, 11:40 PM)
That's not always the case here.

Proton used Iriz 1.6 Executive for ASEAN NCAP crash test.

Base model of new Proton Saga has no ABS too.

Granted. Proton ain't Volvo. The former focuses on safety to meet FIRST WORLD regulations. The latter is all about obsession that has nothing to do with legal requirements.
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Pity they took away the tradition of iriz/persona/suprima/preve
All spec same safety features except airbags numbers




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QUOTE(syafiqsm @ May 14 2017, 11:40 PM)
That's not always the case here.

Proton used Iriz 1.6 Executive for ASEAN NCAP crash test.

Base model of new Proton Saga has no ABS too.

Granted. Proton ain't Volvo. The former focuses on safety to meet FIRST WORLD regulations. The latter is all about obsession that has nothing to do with legal requirements.
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I Think because number of airbags
Lowest spec only 2airbags
The rest is same
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QUOTE(fireballs @ May 14 2017, 11:52 PM)
i think exora will increase price, as no more price pressure, use ertiga for lower spec lower price.
i would be suprised if they dont use hpf. then again, dont think exora will see any update in the chasis. probably major facelift only.
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Exora/preve/suprima
the only proton model havent receive major facelift (exora got engine upgrade n minor changes for current model)

Hopefully the proton in house engine will be put use later this year (1.5 GDI-T)
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QUOTE(myteam94 @ May 14 2017, 10:51 PM)
Better than tonggek
Hahaha
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Is tonggek bezza? Bezza ugly as shiet too. Same as suprima, preve, persona. Design failed. Bodo proton designer. Syok sendiri.
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QUOTE(syafiqsm @ May 14 2017, 11:40 PM)
That's not always the case here.

Proton used Iriz 1.6 Executive for ASEAN NCAP crash test.

Base model of new Proton Saga has no ABS too.

Granted. Proton ain't Volvo. The former focuses on safety to meet FIRST WORLD regulations. The latter is all about obsession that has nothing to do with legal requirements.
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Forgot to mention, Proton uses the lowest safety feature not lowest spec.

Iriz Standard have the same safety feature with the Iriz Executive. If Premium it's +4 more airbags.




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QUOTE(Mooneyes @ May 15 2017, 12:01 AM)
Is tonggek bezza? Bezza ugly as shiet too. Same as suprima, preve, persona. Design failed. Bodo proton designer. Syok sendiri.
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Not much designer fault tho
Proton tuah was nice but later production, quite sad
No wood trim, no leather, no sapphire engraving
Similar to suprima concept





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Post honta and totota enough, for worship purpose.

But tbvfh, honta and totota made decent car IF COMPARED to ponton that can't even solved/prevent small issues. Better ponton change their nature of business to f&b to jual keropok lekor jenama proton enough le tew.

Potong=joker

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look at how these idiotic drivers behave on the road.
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Macai proton pun Kerja keras macam macai BN cybertrooper laugh.gif
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new saga dont have those fancy steel meh? macam going backwards
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Can someone start a similar Perodua thread?
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QUOTE(xtreme~~ @ May 15 2017, 08:27 AM)
new saga dont have those fancy steel meh? macam going backwards
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Whats the point of having so much safety feature when it has shitty brake.

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QUOTE(xtreme~~ @ May 15 2017, 08:27 AM)
new saga dont have those fancy steel meh? macam going backwards
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Yes they are going backward

They starterd by take off ESC from Suprima lowest spec

Because that time they realized Malaysian dont give af about car safety.

Dissapointing

And the current Gen Persona was supposed to replace Saga actually
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QUOTE(fireballs @ May 14 2017, 03:49 PM)
The steel coil case, the driver no seatbelt?
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QUOTE(syafiqsm @ May 14 2017, 08:37 PM)
Yes. It seems the case here.
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if not mistaken, this involves a ranking police officer and his driver. on LPT. on the way to KL. damn those coils in the middle of the road.

police, emergency responders, and military vehicles are not subjected to seatbelt regulation.

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QUOTE(heavensea @ May 15 2017, 07:29 AM)
Post honta and totota enough, for worship purpose.

But tbvfh, honta and totota made decent car IF COMPARED to ponton that can't even solved/prevent small issues. Better ponton change their nature of business to f&b to jual keropok lekor jenama proton enough le tew.

Potong=joker
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Eh u also driving plotong right? brows.gif
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QUOTE(Mr. Najib Razak @ May 15 2017, 10:24 AM)
Eh u also driving plotong right? brows.gif
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Yes! biggrin.gif
History:
persona (older version, mt, gooding handling)
Neo r3 (mt, handling gooding sia! So fun even though the car isn't fast)
Supimak (cvt mjb pick up... Handling gooding, speed is fast after 120km..)

Remember check properly (everywhere) before accept the car bro, don't be paiseh must check kaw kaw.

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QUOTE(heavensea @ May 15 2017, 11:03 AM)
Yes! biggrin.gif
History:
persona (older version, mt, gooding handling)
Neo r3 (mt, handling gooding sia! So fun even though the car isn't fast)
Supimak (cvt mjb pick up... Handling gooding, speed is fast after 120km..)

Remember check properly (everywhere) before accept the car bro, don't be paiseh must check kaw kaw.
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QUOTE(cicak.fakir @ May 15 2017, 10:22 AM)
if not mistaken, this involves a ranking police officer and his driver. on LPT. on the way to KL. damn those coils in the middle of the road.

police, emergency responders, and military vehicles are not subjected to seatbelt regulation.
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IINM it's on LPT at Maran part, there always heavy fog every morning, no one can see that coils coming.
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Proton Exora VS Proton Iriz VS Perodua Alza

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QUOTE(Smoochy poohh @ May 15 2017, 01:16 PM)
Proton Iriz sandwich between 2 MPV's

Proton Exora VS Proton Iriz VS Perodua Alza

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tl;dr

is this the one i heard higher end models like preve/suprima ada itu apa lotus tech

what engine will fly out if langgar depan instead of going in to make u patah kaki etc etc

got such thing?
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QUOTE(xHj09 @ May 16 2017, 12:01 AM)
tl;dr

is this the one i heard higher end models like preve/suprima ada itu apa lotus tech

what engine will fly out if langgar depan instead of going in to make u patah kaki etc etc

got such thing?
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no such thing in proton

inline 4 engine is too thick to slide out, it will only get stucked and cause the car to high side or even flip

usually porsche's horizontal 6 or subaru's boxer 4 can utilise this method of reducing impact to driver

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QUOTE(Subang Nuclear Reactor @ May 16 2017, 12:10 AM)
no such thing in proton

inline 4 engine is too thick to slide out, it will only get stucked and cause the car to high side or even flip

usually porsche's horizontal 6 or subaru's boxer 4 can utilise this method of reducing impact to driver
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okay tq!

coz that's what i heard from proton boss trying to promote proton cars safety features sweat.gif

when i heard that i wahlao-ed, so cheap so stronk i thinking to get already dry.gif
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QUOTE(xHj09 @ May 16 2017, 12:28 AM)
okay tq!

coz that's what i heard from proton boss trying to promote proton cars safety features  sweat.gif

when i heard that i wahlao-ed, so cheap so stronk i thinking to get already  dry.gif
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It is a decent car.

But now plenty of foreign cars has seen a massive increase in specs, such as honda, kia, ford, even toyota is trying to get into competition

If you dont need the space on proton, for the same price you can get a fully equipped foreign car that is 1 segment smaller.

for the price of a suprima you can get a city or a rio or a fiesta, or even haval SUV

for the price of a proton perdana, you can get a subaru forester, corolla, civic, mazda 3, or even the 2.0L turbo haval H6 coupe

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QUOTE(xHj09 @ May 16 2017, 12:01 AM)
tl;dr

is this the one i heard higher end models like preve/suprima ada itu apa lotus tech

what engine will fly out if langgar depan instead of going in to make u patah kaki etc etc

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You mean this one?



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"Passive safety nombor satu, dia punya “COLLAPSIBLE ENGINE MOUNTING

enjin dia berat, lebih daripada 200 kilo

so, kalau ada frontal collision, kalau enjin tak jatuh ke bawah, dia akan masuk dalam kabin

itu pasal kereta-kereta lama dulu, KAKI PUTUS

sekarang tak

collapsible engine mounting tu memang design terbaru, kalau tengok kereta Jerman, kereta-kereta moden semua, itu yang pertama"

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Bukan pasal tech orang reject Proton, sebab buat bisnes dasar kroni orang tak yakin pada quality product. Ini belum cakap pasal QC lagi yang sejak zaman 80an dah cam sial.

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QUOTE(xHj09 @ May 16 2017, 12:01 AM)
tl;dr

is this the one i heard higher end models like preve/suprima ada itu apa lotus tech

what engine will fly out if langgar depan instead of going in to make u patah kaki etc etc

got such thing?
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QUOTE(Subang Nuclear Reactor @ May 16 2017, 12:10 AM)
no such thing in proton

inline 4 engine is too thick to slide out, it will only get stucked and cause the car to high side or even flip

usually porsche's horizontal 6 or subaru's boxer 4 can utilise this method of reducing impact to driver
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In heavy frontal collision, the engine mounting will break and collapse and the engine will go downward. If you see the photos below, Proton cars have this HPF parts right under the front dashboard that will stop the intrusion from engine, so that our kaki won't putus.

In roll-over or car spinning accidents, the engine will "fly" out. There were two reported cases where this happened. The first one was the famous enjin tercabut incident at LPT highway (roll-over accident), the other was this woman whose's Preve hit a big tree and her car spun. This Preve's engine landed on the other side of the road. I will post the photos later.


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QUOTE(syafiqsm @ May 16 2017, 01:21 AM)
In heavy frontal collision, the engine mounting will break and collapse and the engine will go downward. If you see the photos below, Proton cars have this HPF parts right under the front dashboard that will stop the intrusion from engine, so that our kaki won't putus.

In roll-over or car spinning accidents, the engine will "fly" out. There are two cases where this happened. The first one was the famous enjin tercabut incident at LPT highway (roll-over accident), the other was this woman whose's Preve hit a big tree and her car spun. This Preve's engine landed on the other side of the road. I will post the photos later.


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this is the right protocol for engine dismount

preve engine is too thick, or squarish to do this, there is no point to dismount it and still have it in front of your knee or flying to the other side of the road or flying into your face through the front windscreen.

It should have a guided path, not killing innocent people across the road.

In the case of broken preve mounting in accident, that's just due to the huge impact and the mounting couldn't take it. simple as that. It just somehow didnt hit anyone walking pass. or it would make into world news

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this is the right protocol for engine dismount

preve engine is too thick, or squarish to do this, there is no point to dismount it and still have it in front of your knee or flying to the other side of the road or flying into your face through the front windscreen.

It should have a guided path, not killing innocent people across the road.

In the case of broken preve mounting in accident, that's just due to the huge impact and the mounting couldn't take it. simple as that. It just somehow didnt hit anyone walking pass. or it would make into world news
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What Proton has done is actually the industry standard safety practice. I do have cases involving cars like Volvo and BMW where their engines dismount and fly off. The former happened in Russia, while the latter happened right in our homeland. Involving local Male celebrity named "Awal Ashaari" and his BMW.

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Yes, this is exactly what Proton has been doing. The engine dismounts and goes underneath the car ONLY in frontal collision. If it was ROLL-OVER or SPINNING, how is it possible for the engine to remain underneath?

Does it make any sense from the safety perspective, if you still want the engine to remain intact with the car body and risk intrusion into the cabin?
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QUOTE(Subang Nuclear Reactor @ May 16 2017, 01:32 AM)
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this is the right protocol for engine dismount

preve engine is too thick, or squarish to do this, there is no point to dismount it and still have it in front of your knee or flying to the other side of the road or flying into your face through the front windscreen.

It should have a guided path, not killing innocent people across the road.

In the case of broken preve mounting in accident, that's just due to the huge impact and the mounting couldn't take it. simple as that. It just somehow didnt hit anyone walking pass. or it would make into world news
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"Passive safety nombor satu, dia punya “COLLAPSIBLE ENGINE MOUNTING

enjin dia berat, lebih daripada 200 kilo

so, kalau ada frontal collision, kalau enjin tak jatuh ke bawah, dia akan masuk dalam kabin

itu pasal kereta-kereta lama dulu, KAKI PUTUS

sekarang tak

collapsible engine mounting tu memang design terbaru, kalau tengok kereta Jerman, kereta-kereta moden semua, itu yang pertama"

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What Proton has done is actually the industry standard safety practice. I do have cases involving cars like Volvo and BMW where their engines dismount and fly off. The former happened in Russia, while the latter happened right in our homeland. Involving local Male celebrity named "Awal Ashaari" and his BMW.
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well i have to disappoint you. it meant that they crashed too hard, and the mounting couldn't stand the force, just like preve. cars aint even built to withstand an impact velocity of 110km/h

Even IIHS themselves admitted that engine flying off is abnormal. IIHS is one of the leading crash testing organization funded by insurer

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/fe...peed-car-crash/

i'd trust these IIHS engineers more than proton, definitely

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QUOTE(Subang Nuclear Reactor @ May 16 2017, 01:54 AM)
well i have to disappoint you. it meant that they crashed too hard, and the mounting couldn't stand the force, just like preve. cars aint even built to withstand an impact velocity of 110km/h

Even IIHS themselves admitted that engine flying off is abnormal. IIHS is one of the leading crash testing organization funded by insurer

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/fe...peed-car-crash/

i'd trust these IIHS engineers more than proton, definitely
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Even IIHS themselves admitted that engine flying off is abnormal


Here I copy & paste the relevant part of the article:

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EXPLOSIONS AND ENGINE EJECTIONS

Conspiracy theorists probably don't want to hear it, but Puckett says he's seen all sorts of mechanical combustions, from engine ejections to vehicle fires to cars sawed in half by stationary objects. "The engine is hot," Puckett says. "There are any number of fluids that can ignite, and I'm sorry to say that [that] isn't indicative of foul play."

Wheat, Zirby, and Bates also corroborate Puckett's conclusion; cars traveling at a high velocity slamming into hard objects aren't really designed to prevent such violent ends. While engine ejections and explosions aren't necessarily the norm, they aren't as rare as most of us would guess.

"I think we've become complacent, where we think all this technology is going to save us no matter what," says Bates. "But you have to keep in mind—there are crashes that are not survivable."
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well i have to disappoint you. it meant that they crashed too hard, and the mounting couldn't stand the force, just like preve. cars aint even built to withstand an impact velocity of 110km/h

Even IIHS themselves admitted that engine flying off is abnormal. IIHS is one of the leading crash testing organization funded by insurer

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/fe...peed-car-crash/

i'd trust these IIHS engineers more than proton, definitely
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It's OK to be in denial. But hear this. Majority of Proton safety engineers are foreign-educated, graduated from some of the world's top universities.

FYI, one of them was hired by VOLVO to be part of the company's pedestrian safety research.

They are not a joke.

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On the flip side....

Victims who survive an accident in a safe Proton whereby the car is written off, suddenly found themselves in a financial quandary because the total loss payout is not enough to settle their 9 year loan due to poor market value (and hence insured value) of Proton cars

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On the flip side....

Victims who survive an accident in a safe Proton whereby the car is written off, suddenly found themselves in a financial quandary because the total loss payout is not enough to settle their 9 year loan due to poor market value (and hence insured value) of Proton cars

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Please link me to the source where IIHS said:
Here I copy & paste the relevant part of the article:
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'aren't necessarily the norm', it meant it is not normal

'it isnt rare' because it is a problem due to be fixed by these car makers in a high speed crash

and, i myself is an engineer holding M.Eng from world top 100 university, and currently a PhD candidate, i believe in datas. Until proton's engineer show us the simulation or mathematical model, it's just syiok sendiri self claimed since the engine didnt hit anyone, they can get away with it

Also, it doesn't take an engineer to figure out that a flying 200kg metal block is dangerous.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1862727/woman...d-horror-smash/

It should be detached, yes, but guided at an angle, below the car. It can only be easily achieved when your engine is built with a decline towards the undercarriage as shown

below is subaru's design
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this is mercedes's design
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another approach to detached engine is like volvo, build the engine as part of shock absorbent and just let it crumble between the firewalls

Proton is the first car maker that is proud of their running wild flying engine, when it hit someone, the CEO is going to be in deep shit




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Ahhhhh Encik Dares. You are finally here. I've been waiting for you actually. I learn a lot from your comments about cars.  thumbup.gif

The other is "Boy" something. He's quite good too
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huh.gif apasal me, I small ciku je who sometimes share whatever little I know.

Your discussion with Subang Nuclear Reactor is interesting, never really read about concerns of flying drivetrain components in a collision..... please don't let me interrupt biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(dares @ May 16 2017, 02:14 AM)
On the flip side....

Victims who survive an accident in a safe Proton whereby the car is written off, suddenly found themselves in a financial quandary because the total loss payout is not enough to settle their 9 year loan due to poor market value (and hence insured value) of Proton cars

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Thats because they underinsured the car.. cars under HP needs to be insured according to remaining balance..

QUOTE(Subang Nuclear Reactor @ May 16 2017, 03:01 AM)
'aren't necessarily the norm', it meant it is not normal

'it isnt rare' because it is a problem due to be fixed by these car makers in a high speed crash

and, i myself is an engineer holding M.Eng from world top 100 university, and currently a PhD candidate, i believe in datas. Until proton's engineer show us the simulation or mathematical model, it's just syiok sendiri self claimed since the engine didnt hit anyone, they can get away with it

Also, it doesn't take an engineer to figure out that a flying 200kg metal block is dangerous.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1862727/woman...d-horror-smash/

It should be detached, yes, but guided at an angle, below the car. It can only be easily achieved when your engine is built with a decline towards the undercarriage as shown

below is subaru's design
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this is mercedes's design
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another approach to detached engine is like volvo, build the engine as part of shock absorbent and just let it crumble between the firewalls

Proton is the first car maker that is proud of their running wild flying engine, when it hit someone, the CEO is going to be in deep shit
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When u said data.. siok sendiri claim.. err.. ur claims can also be said as siok sendiri.. biggrin.gif
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Dear Sifus,

regarding flying engines, what happen if after frontal collision, then the car flips
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if im not mistaken so far only 1 death for preve
which is a police officer speeding without wearing seatbelt
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why still no polis death in preve in the list?
i kind of remember there's a case preve police car speeding get accident and one policeman death because not wearing seatbelt and ejected out from the car. that's not counted?
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Thats because they underinsured the car.. cars under HP needs to be insured according to remaining balance..
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There is no such requirement. The insured value is ALWAYS based on market value, not loan balance.

How I know? One of my in-laws bought a Polo Sedan with a 9 yr loan. The agreed insured value offered by the insurer in the second year was waaayyyy lower than the loan balance.
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QUOTE(dares @ May 16 2017, 10:02 AM)
There is no such requirement. The insured value is ALWAYS based on market value, not loan balance.

How I know? One of my in-laws bought a Polo Sedan with a 9 yr loan. The agreed insured value offered by the insurer in the second year was waaayyyy lower than the loan balance.
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Yup.. theres no guideline for it.. but need common sense sikit...
If buying from insurance agent, then they will always recommend that to me.. the problem is when buying online.. people tends to skimp on insurance..
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Yup.. theres no guideline for it.. but need common sense sikit...
If buying from insurance agent, then they will always recommend that to me.. the problem is when buying online.. people tends to skimp on insurance..
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i asked from takaful malaysia.
ask counter to match my loan balance.
but counter refused, only allowed to accept up to 110% of market value.

kek.
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QUOTE(darosha @ May 16 2017, 09:49 AM)
why still no polis death in preve in the list?
i kind of remember there's a case preve police car speeding get accident and one policeman death because not wearing seatbelt and ejected out from the car. that's not counted?
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That case had been included in this thread.

Not wearing seatbelt and foggy weather are very deadly combination.
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QUOTE(dares @ May 16 2017, 10:02 AM)
There is no such requirement. The insured value is ALWAYS based on market value, not loan balance.

How I know? One of my in-laws bought a Polo Sedan with a 9 yr loan. The agreed insured value offered by the insurer in the second year was waaayyyy lower than the loan balance.
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even if you over insure or underinsure , insurance company still use 'market value' to pay.
overinsure they wont give extra
underinsure they ask u pay a percentage during claim.

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even if you over insure or underinsure , insurance company still use 'market value' to pay.
overinsure they wont give extra
underinsure they ask u pay a percentage during claim.
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exactly.

If you loan balance is higher than market value, overinsuring and hoping in the event of total loss the payout will cover your loan balance, will not work at all.
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QUOTE(dares @ May 16 2017, 10:03 PM)
exactly.

If you loan balance is higher than market value, overinsuring and hoping in the event of total loss the payout will cover your loan balance, will not work at all.
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hope come july the new system allows to fill the gap.

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QUOTE(Subang Nuclear Reactor @ May 16 2017, 03:01 AM)
'aren't necessarily the norm', it meant it is not normal

'it isnt rare' because it is a problem due to be fixed by these car makers in a high speed crash

and, i myself is an engineer holding M.Eng from world top 100 university, and currently a PhD candidate, i believe in datas. Until proton's engineer show us the simulation or mathematical model, it's just syiok sendiri self claimed since the engine didnt hit anyone, they can get away with it

Also, it doesn't take an engineer to figure out that a flying 200kg metal block is dangerous.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1862727/woman...d-horror-smash/

It should be detached, yes, but guided at an angle, below the car. It can only be easily achieved when your engine is built with a decline towards the undercarriage as shown

below is subaru's design
user posted image

this is mercedes's design
user posted image

another approach to detached engine is like volvo, build the engine as part of shock absorbent and just let it crumble between the firewalls

Proton is the first car maker that is proud of their running wild flying engine, when it hit someone, the CEO is going to be in deep shit
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Oh my goodness. Your basic comprehension is so bad. It makes my head spinning.
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QUOTE(darosha @ May 16 2017, 09:21 AM)
if im not mistaken so far only 1 death for preve
which is a police officer speeding without wearing seatbelt
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QUOTE(darosha @ May 16 2017, 09:49 AM)
why still no polis death in preve in the list?
i kind of remember there's a case preve police car speeding get accident and one policeman death because not wearing seatbelt and ejected out from the car. that's not counted?
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No such case as policeman ejected out of the car. There are currently a few Preve's accidents that resulted in death. I will update the STAT COUNTER on the first page once I'm done posting all accidents here. I'm barely scratch the surface.
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QUOTE(dares @ May 16 2017, 03:10 AM)
huh.gif apasal me, I small ciku je who sometimes share whatever little I know.

Your discussion with Subang Nuclear Reactor is interesting, never really read about concerns of flying drivetrain components in a collision..... please don't let me interrupt  biggrin.gif

Oh and it's boy96 you're looking for, he is sifu level  rclxms.gif
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Oh by all means, please interrupt. Your insights are much appreciated.

Well, this guy is trying to take things out of context a bit, keep ignoring main points "roll-over" and "spinning" and keep insisting on the engine must stick like a glue in all circumstances.
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QUOTE(Subang Nuclear Reactor @ May 16 2017, 03:01 AM)
'aren't necessarily the norm', it meant it is not normal

'it isnt rare' because it is a problem due to be fixed by these car makers in a high speed crash

and, i myself is an engineer holding M.Eng from world top 100 university, and currently a PhD candidate, i believe in datas. Until proton's engineer show us the simulation or mathematical model, it's just syiok sendiri self claimed since the engine didnt hit anyone, they can get away with it

Also, it doesn't take an engineer to figure out that a flying 200kg metal block is dangerous.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1862727/woman...d-horror-smash/

It should be detached, yes, but guided at an angle, below the car. It can only be easily achieved when your engine is built with a decline towards the undercarriage as shown

below is subaru's design
user posted image

this is mercedes's design
user posted image

another approach to detached engine is like volvo, build the engine as part of shock absorbent and just let it crumble between the firewalls

Proton is the first car maker that is proud of their running wild flying engine, when it hit someone, the CEO is going to be in deep shit
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I can sense a lot of boullshits going on here. You hold Master of Engineering? Currently pursuing a doctorate degree? You can't even differentiate between a single "datum" and a plural "data". How many of your publications have appeared in Q1 journals? or at least in Q2?

This article that you have cited:http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/features/a4916/features-web-originals-anatomy-of-a-high-speed-car-crash/. IIHS never said such engine ejection is ABNORMAL. It was the conclusion of the article's author himself. It was not coming from IIHS. Even your comprehension is problematic. You, a PhD student?

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'aren't necessarily the norm', it meant it is not normal

'it isnt rare' because it is a problem due to be fixed by these car makers in a high speed crash


Your attempt at English semantics is comical: "While engine ejections and explosions aren't necessarily the norm, they aren't as rare as most of us would guess." - As someone who has to deal with hundreds of English-written legal documents every single day as part of my job, what this line basically means is that engine ejection doesn't always occur, but it does occur anyway, albeit in small numbers. It has nothing to do with abnormality. This interpretation is consistent with existing "data". Within the context of our discussion, there were only two reported cases of engine ejection ever happened. It's not an ANOMALY that needs solution.

You have taken this discussion out of context. You choose to ignore the main thrust of my points: "ROLL-OVER" and "SPINNING" accidents.

Your answers and the direction they are going are the classic example of "if you can't convince them, then confuse them"

All of your replies never dealt with these keywords "ROLL-OVER" and "SPINNING".


All the things you were whining about were "FRONTAL COLLISION"

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All of these photos referred to "FRONTAL COLLISION" - what happened in the accidents involving two Preves in which their engines ejected, was not just about FRONTAL COLLISION:


1. This Preve's engine ejected after it hit a big tree (FRONTAL COLLISION), then the car spun (SPINNING). Due to this spun, the engine was thrown to the other side of the road.

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=4286441&view=findpost&p=84941248


2. In this case, the Preve hit highway's divider (FRONTAL COLLISION), then the car turned upside down (ROLL-OVER) a few times. This had caused the engine to detach and it landed a few meters away.

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=4286441&view=findpost&p=84941284


Newest Proton cars have the same break-apart mechanism as those samples you showed here.

I have posted this video twice. Why do you keep ignoring it?




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"Passive safety nombor satu, dia punya “COLLAPSIBLE ENGINE MOUNTING

enjin dia berat, lebih daripada 200 kilo

so, kalau ada frontal collision, kalau enjin tak jatuh ke bawah, dia akan masuk dalam kabin

itu pasal kereta-kereta lama dulu, KAKI PUTUS

sekarang tak

collapsible engine mounting tu memang design terbaru, kalau tengok kereta Jerman, kereta-kereta moden semua, itu yang pertama"


A question to Sifu dares, is engine ejection in serious accident "a problem due to be fixed by these car makers"?

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Impressive thread. I pray and hope to the almighty that my saga vvt standard will not face these accidents as I fear the worst sad.gif
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Impressive thread. I pray and hope to the almighty that my saga vvt standard will not face these accidents as I fear the worst sad.gif
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Rare premium 1.6 MT model, this variant will no longer exist with the introduction of minor change model. Just read the news today that the verdict on the possible sale of Proton shares to FSP is concluding soon. I can say the safety part has improved a lot over the years. The major problems still come from poor quality parts, lack of refinement and of course, lazy and noisy engine cum lousy CVT tranny.
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May I know why did you choose Saga VVT? Why not Persona VVT?
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There are other factors that come into play but these 2 tops it off.

I could go second hand preve but prefer 1st hand.
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Rare premium 1.6 MT model, this variant will no longer exist with the introduction of minor change model. Just read the news today that the verdict on the possible sale of Proton shares to FSP is concluding soon. I can say the safety part has improved a lot over the years. The major problems still come from poor quality parts, lack of refinement and of course, lazy and noisy engine cum lousy CVT tranny.
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Is that your car?

Anyway, safety-wise, I wonder why didn't the curtain airbags deployed.

I heard next gen Iriz (with new engine + tranny) will have manual option.
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Is that your car?

Anyway, safety-wise, I wonder why didn't the curtain airbags deployed.

I heard next gen Iriz (with new engine + tranny) will have manual option.
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Can we consider this as small overlap crash?

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Yes. Can. But a minor one.
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A very nasty one. Cars without HPF won't stand this. This is the reason why Honda America started to use HPF parts on its 10th Gen Honda Civic.

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I see HPF (Hot Press Forming) being mentioned a few times here, so I think it's worth mentioning that HPF is a method of producing AHSS (Advance High Strength Steel) and UHSS (Ultra High Strength Steel) parts......but HPF is not the only method to make these type of steel. The advantage of HPF is the ability to produce more complex shapes and deliver lightweight parts compared to cold forming.

While I applaud the fact that Proton has adopted this forming technology that is, to date, only being used in higher end marques, it is more important to highlight is the usage of AHSS and UHSS in their cars instead of HPF.

Besides, let's face it - despite HPF being able to produce lightweight but strong material, for some reason the Iriz/Persona still come in at more than 1.2 tonnes. I do not understand why Proton would want to pimp it's HPF process, when their cars are one of the heaviest in the segment.

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Old model vs new model. this head on collision proves that proton really improve its safety aspect by leap & bounds. Good job.

If i in the market for sub $75k car, preve will be on the top list.

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TS COMMENTARY:

Well, I have come to the end of my compilation. There are a few other accidents involving these HPF-equipped cars, but I deemed it insignificant to be shared here. On the other hand, there are some other serious accidents (no death reported in any of them) but unfortunately, I couldn't trace any photos associated with those incidents.

I will now publish the current "data" regarding the total reported number of deaths for each vehicle.



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- Total Reported Number of Deaths for Each Vehicle (as of 19th May 2017) -

[1] Proton [b]PREVE: 4 deaths [/B]

[2] Proton SUPRIMA S: NONE

[3] Proton IRIZ: 5 deaths

[4] Proton PERSONA (2nd Gen): NONE

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The Preve/Suprima are by far, Proton's SAFEST MODELS yet. In one of the worst accidents ever befallen the "Supreme", its cabin still maintained its shape, while the rest of the cars involved were broken into pieces beyond recognition. This combo is arguably the SAFEST CAR sub-100k in Malaysia.

If you own one, PLEASE MAKE SURE you and everyone else in the car wear the SEATBELT. It's a moving fortress. It's a VOLVO in disguise. Its chassis is outstanding, and its cabin integrity in real-world crashes is unsurpassed by any other vehicle of the same price range or even a class higher (tin milo D-Segment). You and the family should be fine if in case an unexpected accident were to strike. Let the seatbelts, the airbags and the HPF boron steels do their job shielding you and your family from the inevitable impact and external intrusion.

As someone who used to see all sorts of vehicle accidents as part of my daily job. I feel that it's my moral duty to educate the mass about the importance of safe car. Sure, the Volvo XC90 has a much bigger percentage of HPF boron steels. It is arguably the safest passenger car in the world. After all, VOLVO is a company whose value and philosophy I hold dearly. I can't always recommend Volvo's lineup, I need something more affordable.

Accidents happen all the times. Come another day, another tragedy, another soul lost, another talent gone. Young and productive members of our society died prematurely. We can't afford to lose these people anymore.

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4 preve death?

not 5?

one case: 1 police

another one: 4 guys in preve went sideways against tnb pole (u cant win) <--might be wrong

or the police did not count? not died due to impact?

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4 preve death?

not 5?

one case: 1 police

another one: 4 guys in preve went sideways against tnb pole (u cant win) <--might be wrong

or the police did not count? not died due to impact?
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> tak pakai seatbelt

> blame kematian ke atas proton



anyway, take note that those in police, firefighting, ambulance, and military vehicles are exempted from wearing seatbelt.
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> tak pakai seatbelt

> blame kematian ke atas proton
anyway, take note that those in police, firefighting, ambulance, and military vehicles are exempted from wearing seatbelt.
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If exempted from wearing seatbelt on a patrol car I can understand.
But the policeman in this case are driving an unmarked Preve Police car on a highway.
This law should be revise.

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> tak pakai seatbelt

> blame kematian ke atas proton
anyway, take note that those in police, firefighting, ambulance, and military vehicles are exempted from wearing seatbelt.
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If exempted from wearing seatbelt on a patrol car I can understand.
But the policeman in this case are driving an unmarked Preve Police car on a highway.
This law should be revise.
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if police spec ops or major crime unit can la

they need to duck+shoot inside car or whateva

normal police routine job wat for no seatbelt

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4 preve death?

not 5?

one case: 1 police

another one: 4 guys in preve went sideways against tnb pole (u cant win) <--might be wrong

or the police did not count? not died due to impact?
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stat counter should read as

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- Total Reported Number of Deaths for Each Vehicle (as of 19th May 2017) -

[1] Proton PREVE: 4 deaths out of xxx accidents

[2] Proton SUPRIMA S: NONE out of xxx accidents

[3] Proton IRIZ: 5 deaths out of xxx accidents

[4] Proton PERSONA (2nd Gen): NONE out of xxx accidents



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stat counter should read as

STAT COUNTER:

- Total Reported Number of Deaths for Each Vehicle (as of 19th May 2017) -

[1] Proton PREVE: 4 deaths   out of xxx accidents

[2] Proton SUPRIMA S: NONE out of xxx accidents

[3] Proton IRIZ: 5 deaths out of xxx accidents

[4] Proton PERSONA (2nd Gen): NONE  out of xxx accidents
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Proton Iriz AND Mitsubishi Triton
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stat counter should read as

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- Total Reported Number of Deaths for Each Vehicle (as of 19th May 2017) -

[1] Proton PREVE: 4 deaths    out of xxx accidents

[2] Proton SUPRIMA S: NONE out of xxx accidents

[3] Proton IRIZ: 5 deaths out of xxx accidents

[4] Proton PERSONA (2nd Gen): NONE  out of xxx accidents
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A new update will come soon. The stat will change. Stay tuned.

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QUOTE(gogocan @ May 19 2017, 07:49 AM)
Old model vs new model. this head on collision proves that proton really improve its safety aspect by leap & bounds. Good job.

If i in the market for sub $75k car, preve will be on the top list.
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Regardless of what "veteran" people think, their reliable sagas are not that tough.

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I see HPF (Hot Press Forming) being mentioned a few times here, so I think it's worth mentioning that HPF is a method of producing AHSS (Advance High Strength Steel) and UHSS (Ultra High Strength Steel) parts......but HPF is not the only method to make these type of steel. The advantage of HPF is the ability to produce more complex shapes and deliver lightweight parts compared to cold forming.

While I applaud the fact that Proton has adopted this forming technology that is, to date, only being used in higher end marques, it is more important to highlight is the usage of AHSS and UHSS in their cars instead of HPF.

Besides, let's face it - despite HPF being able to produce lightweight but strong material, for some reason the Iriz/Persona still come in at more than 1.2 tonnes. I do not understand why Proton would want to pimp it's HPF process, when their cars are one of the heaviest in the segment.
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4 preve death?

not 5?

one case: 1 police

another one: 4 guys in preve went sideways against tnb pole (u cant win) <--might be wrong

or the police did not count? not died due to impact?
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Actually, there was a case where a toddler (age around 2-3 months) died in a Preve accident. He was on his mother's lap. I don't count that in. Or should I?



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Proton Waja accident hit by VW polo
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This small car has so much torque!

I admit that I actually laughed a bit watching the video. The driver's DETERMINATION is impressive. If he were to apply the same determination in other aspects of his life. He will be a very successful person.


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Proton Iriz AND Mini Cooper
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Got 1 accident pic only. Where got compilation?
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Why asking for such things early in the morning
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the title....perghh...nothing related with the rest of pic.
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QUOTE(sonic31s @ May 11 2017, 08:08 AM)
Rakyat want...

30k price premium spec on Persona with HPF.

15k on Saga.

80k on Perdana.

Protong need to accept the facts that P1 are a Greed crony company !!!

And Rakyat want a dying crony company to stop being arrogant !!!

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EXACTLY my thought Sir!

It's no more crony company. It's GELI's now. cool2.gif
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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ May 11 2017, 08:15 AM)
lol the amount of HPF from Iriz to Persona, especially from the side.
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QUOTE(Kendall @ May 11 2017, 08:21 AM)
Pepagi dah bukak thread sampah
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Whats the point of having so much safety feature when it has shitty brake.
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QUOTE(Kendall @ May 17 2017, 09:20 PM)
Proton no RV
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QUOTE(fertzm @ May 11 2017, 08:30 AM)
explain safety panjang2 last2 people ask.. jimat minyak x..? rv tinggi..? kalau tak baik beli perodua lg jimat minyak.. loollll
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QUOTE(DarkAeon @ May 11 2017, 08:18 AM)
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QUOTE(jAkUn @ May 11 2017, 08:32 AM)
Anyone got news Preve or Iriz involved in fatal crash?
Seems like the ancap 5 stars is real for Proton.
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QUOTE(matmoto5125 @ May 11 2017, 08:36 AM)
ASEAN NCAP AOP Results:

Proton Iriz/Persona: 14.07/16.00
Honda Jazz: 15.58/16.00
Honda City: 15.80/16.00

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QUOTE(kcchong2000 @ May 11 2017, 08:38 AM)
Good job for ts but here /k and Malaysian concern on RV. Even whole family die janji RV masih Ada. If Honda or Toyota make from Milo tin or cardbox also confirm got ppl buy coz got RV
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QUOTE(Revamperz @ May 11 2017, 08:39 AM)
ok ok gooding edy

how bout hiring designers that dont have small wheel arch fetish now.
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Geely will take care of that soon. Don't worry.
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QUOTE(iwubpreve @ May 11 2017, 08:40 AM)
proton is a beast. salute proton that can produce this cheapest car and better quality.
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Geely will take care of that soon. Don't worry.
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QUOTE(jAkUn @ May 11 2017, 08:47 AM)
I believe the boards itself yang problem.. Designer's proved they can produce drooling designs, such as Tuah. But you know lah after production how..
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Proton's manifesto is "CUT COST". Everything must cut cost. So the design is also "cut-cost-look". But Iriz is a pretty good looking car though.

I hope Geely can inject a little bit of capital to revamp their design department. Or better yet. Get VOLVO's designers to do it for them.
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QUOTE(MjMax15 @ May 11 2017, 09:02 AM)
please next time dont design weird looking wheel base
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QUOTE(adamhzm90 @ May 11 2017, 09:04 AM)
it's been 5 years already..

can they implement other tech pulak pls?
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kek... Proton "accidents" compilation, but only got 1 accident case, then the rest talked about Proton's "uniquely" tough hardened steels and its process whistling.gif
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QUOTE(daijoubu @ May 11 2017, 09:23 AM)
ANCAP 5 star pun mau heboh
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QUOTE(TAN WENG @ May 11 2017, 09:51 AM)
yesterday in went bukit tinggi klang proton do showroom there display all car model i try open the door preve n suprima is really damm heavy . I believe this car is safe but not save fcif proton can make car tat is safe n safe i think rakyat will choose them again .Suprima door is slightly heavier than preve thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(amxpayne67 @ May 11 2017, 09:41 AM)
Proton Waja (Impian) in UK got 3 star Euro Cap...so we can assume Preve and Iriz can get at least 4 star?
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Theoretically speaking, The Preve/Suprima CAN achieve 5-star EURO NCAP.

1) “Evaluation of hot press forming parts for Euro NCAP 5-star in Proton Preve” - http://dspace.unimap.edu.my/xmlui/bitstrea....pdf?sequence=1

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QUOTE(syafiqsm @ May 14 2017, 09:35 PM)
Proton Suprima AND Toyota Altis
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QUOTE(SirNewbee @ May 29 2017, 05:48 AM)
TS you should find the Suprima vs Toyota head 2 head accident @ Genting accident.
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i just realized theres actually alot more of preve/suprima on the road than i expected..

i thought both not popular

or is it the drivers all speed demon or unlucky ppl kena accident laugh.gif
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I hope those officers have not suffered serious whiplash injury. The impression on their face after the collision is PRICELESS.

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This small car has so much torque!

I admit that I actually laughed a bit watching the video. The driver's DETERMINATION is impressive. If he were to apply the same determination in other aspects of his life. He will be a very successful person.
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the kids drunk and get gantung lesen fine RM4K , beside of that his father compensate the light inured two policemen with full pay for the medical expanses at privet hospital, policemen accept the apology and not to sue him further as he get the punishment by the law, now the kids study aboard.
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QUOTE(syafiqsm @ May 28 2017, 11:54 PM)
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QUOTE(syafiqsm @ May 29 2017, 05:44 AM)
Proton Preve AND a Lorry
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WTF...accident with lorry but after that can gelak2 happy2 at the bus stand

meanwhile lorry in the ditch edi...LEL
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QUOTE(syafiqsm @ May 16 2017, 12:43 AM)
Proton Preve AND a Lorry

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QUOTE(shadow_walker @ May 29 2017, 09:35 AM)
WTF...accident with lorry but after that can gelak2 happy2 at the bus stand

meanwhile lorry in the ditch edi...LEL
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Perhaps he was thinking "let bygones be bygones". Yang penting semua selamat. cheers.gif


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QUOTE(archonixm @ May 29 2017, 04:56 PM)
ok tomorrow buy preve cheap2..seems like near tank level tongue.gif
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QUOTE(ngeo88 @ May 29 2017, 08:14 AM)
the kids drunk and get gantung lesen fine RM4K , beside of that his father compensate the light inured two policemen with full pay for the medical expanses at privet hospital, policemen accept the apology and not to sue him further as he get the punishment by the law, now the kids study aboard.
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Wah, so kind ah his father. Hope the kid will contribute to society after he finishes the study.
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Let's see how much is it. Expensive or not. grin.gif

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QUOTE(syafiqsm @ May 16 2017, 12:43 AM)
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how come front collision the rear windscreen pop out ? another safety feature for passenger escape without rescue tools


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I noticed after accident, i see the windsxreen on passenger side always got crack. I winder is the passenger airbags caused that?
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QUOTE(ngeo88 @ May 30 2017, 07:55 AM)
how come front collision the rear windscreen pop out ? another safety feature for passenger escape without rescue tools
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What i mean is the front windscreen
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QUOTE(maxizanc @ May 30 2017, 07:57 AM)
What i mean is the front windscreen
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front is because the A pillar structure collapse and push the screen crack
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i just realized theres actually alot more of preve/suprima on the road than i expected..

i thought both not popular

or is it the drivers all speed demon or unlucky ppl kena accident laugh.gif
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There are a few possibilities:

1. There are plenty of Preves around, but they kind of blend in with the environment. Just like MyVi. We don't really pay attention to them. The car's design is non-flashy, compared to, say, the new Honda Civic?

2. You don't really care. So, you hardly notice them. grin.gif . I used to ignore these Preve/Suprima too. Until last year, when I embarked on a research about Malaysian fatal vehicle accidents. I was so impressed with the rarity of news on someone dies in Preve/Suprima cars. Whenever I'm on the open road, driving, I will be in "awe" seeing Preve/Suprima. They are part of my solution to reduce death on Malaysian roads.

3. You live in places where Preve/Suprima are actually rare. I noticed that East Malaysia (Sabah/Sarawak) don't have much of these. I live in Putrajaya, so, Preve is like the de facto government cars.

The Suprima is still quite rare though. But lately, I see plenty of them in my hometown area in northern Malaysia. Maybe due to 12k discount Proton has thrown to it.
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QUOTE(tokdukun @ May 11 2017, 10:43 AM)
Rejecting Perodua's offer of Toyota Dual VVT-i + 4sp E-AT powertrain was their stupidest decision ever.

Had they accepted it, Proton would flourish now. Even proton also people will tak pening, tak fikir, beli je. Peace of mind, jimat fc, cheap service, safety like a Volvo.
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I can agree t this. It would solve Proton's Achilles's Heel. The Campro and Punch.

Heart and Soul of the car. With Toyota's engine and power train and Lotus ride and handling, it would made a deadly combo.
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i'm a Preve owner. when you're inside it does feel solid like a tank. speeding & cornering mmg shiok!

unfortunately it sounds & drinks fuel like a tank too. laugh.gif


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There are a few possibilities:

1. There are plenty of Preves around, but they kind of blend in with the environment. Just like MyVi. We don't really pay attention to them. The car's design is non-flashy, compared to, say, the new Honda Civic?

2. You don't really care. So, you hardly notice them. grin.gif . I used to ignore these Preve/Suprima too. Until last year, when I embarked on a research about Malaysian fatal vehicle accidents. I was so impressed with the rarity of news on someone dies in Preve/Suprima cars. Whenever I'm on the open road, driving, I will be in "awe" seeing Preve/Suprima. They are part of my solution to reduce death on Malaysian roads.

3. You live in places where Preve/Suprima are actually rare. I noticed that East Malaysia (Sabah/Sarawak) don't have much of these. I live in Putrajaya, so, Preve is like the de facto government cars.

The Suprima is still quite rare though. But lately, I see plenty of them in my hometown area in northern Malaysia. Maybe due to 12k discount Proton has thrown to it.
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i do care

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QUOTE(Matrix @ May 30 2017, 09:03 AM)
I can agree t this. It would solve Proton's Achilles's Heel. The Campro and Punch.

Heart and Soul of the car. With Toyota's engine and power train and Lotus ride and handling, it would made a deadly combo.
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>"a deadly combo"
>in car accident thread

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>"a deadly combo"
>in car accident thread

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Now change strategy to rebadge Geely Boyue. Looks nice, if priced well, and specced correctly, can be a hit  thumbup.gif


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Let's see how much is it. Expensive or not. grin.gif

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buy 2nd hand preve lol lol..most unwanted car in malaysia but actually an unpolished gem...if mated with k24 engine + cvt
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QUOTE(archonixm @ May 30 2017, 01:02 PM)
buy 2nd hand preve lol lol..most unwanted car in malaysia but actually an unpolished gem...if mated with k24 engine + cvt
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Punch cvt?


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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ May 30 2017, 01:32 PM)
Punch cvt?
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QUOTE(syafiqsm @ May 28 2017, 10:37 PM)
Theoretically speaking, The Preve/Suprima CAN achieve 5-star EURO NCAP.

1) “Evaluation of hot press forming parts for Euro NCAP 5-star in Proton Preve” - http://dspace.unimap.edu.my/xmlui/bitstrea....pdf?sequence=1
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what do u mean by "theoritically"?

proton doesnt have the active safety features... automatically not able to achieved 5 euro
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QUOTE(cangkui @ May 30 2017, 01:45 PM)
what do u mean by "theoritically"?

proton doesnt have the active safety features... automatically not able to achieved 5 euro
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I noticed after accident, i see the windsxreen on passenger side always got crack. I winder is the passenger airbags caused that?
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like lane monitoring system? but proton fuel sipping engine really a turn off
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I have updated the STAT COUNTER to reflect some changes in the reported number of deaths for each model:



STAT COUNTER:

- Total Reported Number of Deaths for Each Model (as of 30th May 2017) -

[1] Proton PREVE: 5 deaths (since 2012)

[2] Proton SUPRIMA S: NONE (since 2013)

[3] Proton IRIZ: 4 deaths (since 2014)

[4] Proton PERSONA (2nd Gen): NONE (since 2016)



REASONS:



1. It was learnt that the death occurring in the Iriz accident below was due to heart attack prior to accident.

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Proton Iriz - SINGLE-VEHICLE ACCIDENT
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2. I was made aware about an infant age 5 months died in a Preve accident happened in Jerantut, PAHANG.

Source (in Bahasa): http://www.sinarharian.com.my/mobile/edisi...langan-1.207600

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Proton Iriz - SINGLE-VEHICLE ACCIDENT
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There were "rumours" saying that the driver of this Iriz died due to heart attack prior to the accident. This was the reason why he lost control of the car and skidded. But there are no reliable sources to verify this.

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I remember seeing these accident photos (uncensored version) many years ago. I was traumatized for days. This accident happened in my hometown not too far away from where I lived.

Back then, the only things people will say in order to be safe on the road are "jangan bawak kereta laju-laju", "jangan selalu memotong", "jangan lupa baca doa naik kenderaan", and so on.

The term "HOT PRESS FORMING", "HPF", "ULTRA HIGH STRENGTH STEEL" and "ADVANCED HIGH STRENGTH STEEL" are almost unheard of. Almost all cars sold during that time were "tin milo". Fast forward to this day, TIN MILO cars are still the popular choice of most Rakyat. It won't change soon. Perhaps not even within a decade from now.


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Look who's here. Boy96 the legend. Welcome bro. rclxms.gif

Anyway, that guy is not the Preve driver. I hope all is safe.

Preve has to maintain its reputation. grin.gif

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QUOTE(Toyoi @ May 11 2017, 10:05 AM)
Honda had produced 600,000 cars in MY since 2003! 3 years produced 300,000 units!
31 Mar 2017

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4243264
..."We achieved 300,000 units in just three years, as compared to 11 years taken earlier to reach the first 300,000 units," Hayashi said at the '600,000 Units Production Ceremony' in Pegoh here today.
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QUOTE(Toyoi @ May 11 2017, 10:07 AM)
Honda success in MY in year 2017, sales up 40%, market share over 20
5 May 2017

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4282582
...“In terms of market share, Honda contributed 19.4% to the TIV as of March 2017, which was 5.1 points higher compared to the same period last year. Following the strong results from the two models launched in the first quarter, Honda Malaysia achieved an all-time high with a record of 20.5% market share for the very first time in March 2017,” the company said.
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QUOTE(Toyoi @ May 11 2017, 10:10 AM)
Bezza, Perdana best design award 2016 by MRM, ribu2 tahniah!
25 Apr 2017

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...The all-new Proton Perdana has been awarded with the “Malaysia Good Design Mark” accredited by the Malaysia Design Council. The award was accorded to the Perdana under the Public Areas and Transportation Products category.
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QUOTE(Toyoi @ May 11 2017, 10:20 AM)
Best selling cars in every ASEAN countries
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https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4270781

Asia-Pacific best selling cars of 2016
20 Apr 2017

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4271206

Oceania's best selling car 2016
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https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4272381
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QUOTE(Toyoi @ May 11 2017, 11:07 AM)
more like compilation of syok sendiri jer
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i do care

nah mine pic. add me to your non death stat laugh.gif
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>"a deadly combo"
>in car accident thread

*badum tss*  laugh.gif

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There is more reason than hpf for people to buy car. Like resale value, reliability, fuel effisien, less breakdown, after sales service, engine power n most important variety from protong n berukdua.

If we wanted safety alone mind as well take the public bus.
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off topic , i like to watch this Russian sifu repair car skill level 9999


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QUOTE(Pete the great @ May 31 2017, 08:24 AM)
There is more reason than hpf for people to buy car. Like resale value, reliability, fuel effisien, less breakdown, after sales service, engine power n most important variety from protong n berukdua.

If we wanted safety alone mind as well take the public bus.
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If can't survive a simple crash, all those are not important anymore.
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QUOTE(netmatrix @ May 11 2017, 09:52 AM)
This thread is last minute sales pitch before Proton becomes fully Bangla owned company. hahaha
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Cars cannot be repaired like you want to mend tin cans.
Those metal parts have specific material and strength designed into them to ensure they can protect you during a crash, to ensure there is no harmonic resonance that can cause noise or vibration and finally to ensure the car can drive safely on the road.

The best is you send your crashed car back to the manufacturer's own Body and Paint facility. They deal with all insurance companies.

Ini bukan tin sardin kita boleh main repair. Kita ponya family pon ada sekali dalam ini kereta. Sebab itu kalau insurans companies kata boleh repair, you mintak dia hantar dekat mekanik yang approved by the car company.

nanti dia bawak you punya BMW suruh mekanik kancil repair. Mati laaa

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QUOTE(syafiqsm @ May 31 2017, 12:42 AM)
I remember seeing these accident photos (uncensored version) many years ago. I was traumatized for days. This accident happened in my hometown not too far away from where I lived.

Back then, the only things people will say in order to be safe on the road are "jangan bawak kereta laju-laju", "jangan selalu memotong", "jangan lupa baca doa naik kenderaan", and so on.

The term "HOT PRESS FORMING", "HPF", "ULTRA HIGH STRENGTH STEEL" and "ADVANCED HIGH STRENGTH STEEL" are almost unheard of. Almost all cars sold during that time were "tin milo". Fast forward to this day, TIN MILO cars are still the popular choice of most Rakyat. It won't change soon. Perhaps not even within a decade from now.

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i think practically all cars 20 years ago are alike.
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QUOTE(fireballs @ Jun 1 2017, 04:03 PM)
i think practically all cars 20 years ago are alike.
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True that. Judging from the A/C vent and seats, I think the car is Saga LMST. Definitely a tin milo.
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QUOTE(xeda @ May 11 2017, 10:05 AM)
Tokok so much, if accident only the pillars are HPF, then if sideways accident, pillars are intact but the door normal steel sudah kemek and squish ur stomach and intestines u would still die la.
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I suggest you study more about the car's structure before making such conclusion.


1) https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=84855849

2) https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=84855851

3) https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=84855853

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Anyone know the reason , many victims will have umbrella over the body even though fully covered with sheets or body bag ?'
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QUOTE(matmoto5125 @ May 11 2017, 08:36 AM)
ASEAN NCAP AOP Results:

Proton Iriz/Persona: 14.07/16.00
Honda Jazz: 15.58/16.00
Honda City: 15.80/16.00

WHY? HOW?
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QUOTE(hikashi @ May 11 2017, 10:00 AM)
clever engineering with lighter kerb weight. Iriz/Persona is 100kg+ heavier.
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QUOTE(archonixm @ May 11 2017, 10:23 AM)
not because of chassis, coz campro engine using cast iron block.....if they using aluminium block, should be - 100 - 200kg..or more....

in term of chassis, proton > honda i believe, in term of others.. honda > proton..
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Most carmakers make cars to comply with the crash test. That includes Honda and Proton. They have so many brains and talents to design their cars to pass the test with flying colours.

But in the real world accidents, these cars won't necessarily perform that well.

This is the main reason why this thread was created.

To see REAL-WORLD results. Not just results provided by some organizations for accidents happened in a controlled environment.

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Anyone know the reason , many victims will have umbrella over the body even though fully covered with sheets or body bag ?'
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ever lie down on the hot tar road under the sun? cement road? brick road?

walk barefooted?

even if it's just a dead body, I think it is only respectful to shade to body from being cooked on the ground.
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QUOTE(maxizanc @ May 11 2017, 11:03 AM)
Gambar crash only got 1.

What kinda compilation is this
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QUOTE(Beogatts @ May 11 2017, 11:06 AM)
tred title with all caps potong = clickbait
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It's PROTON ISWARA by the way. smile.gif
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The "love of the nation" cars actually fall in this group too. So as all its siblings. Even the one with ESC.

I have plenty of Berbezza accidents collection. I was thinking of creating a thread to promote this "ASEAN NCAP 5-STAR" car. But seeing those photos make me think that it's not worth it. Its side impact protection is horrendous. The occupants inside will be lucky to walk out with no injury.

This was also the reason why I don't "praise" Proton Iriz all that much.

Don't get me wrong. Iriz/Persona still among the safest B-segment compact cars Malaysians can buy. But there's risk to it.

Compact cars generally don't do well in SIDE-IMPACT COLLISION. Even with HPF parts all over it, Iriz is not that impressive. A closer inspection of Iriz's body structure reveals its weaknesses. It's a budget car. Proton can't use as many HPF parts as the Preve/Suprima.

The HPF-less, A-segment cars like Berbezza will be even hopeless.

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QUOTE(syafiqsm @ May 11 2017, 06:11 PM)
Cheese kek. I thought anyone going to share something here. It's OK. Let me update this slowly but surely.
Proton Preve AND a Bomba truck
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Out of all Preve accidents here. This remains my number one pick. A side impact collision with a very heavy truck.

When I first found this, my jaw dropped. I couldn't believe it. This is madness.

This accident doesn't make it to the primetime. There was no "hu-ha-hu-ha" on social media.

It just went under the radar.

If this happened to a tin milo car. The occupants inside would be "flying out". I'm convinced that somebody would be seriously injured or even died.

There were so many PREVE accidents that as jaw-dropping as this one. A life-threatening accident. But many don't know that. Because nobody dies in it. So nobody cares.

Unless you are willing to dig deep inside. You'll be amazed.

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QUOTE(syafiqsm @ Jun 1 2017, 08:22 PM)
Most carmakers make cars to comply with the crash test. That includes Honda and Proton. They have so many brains and talents to design their cars to pass the test with flying colours.

But in the real world accidents, these cars won't necessarily perform that well. 

This is the main reason why this thread was created.

To see REAL-WORLD results. Not just results provided by some organizations for accidents happened in a controlled environment.
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Yes, these so called test also has their weaknesses which manufacturer tends to exploit. When actual crash do happen, only chassis can save you from kissing your own engine, the other feature which they exploited to get more stars only help lessen the impact/avoid it.

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Proton Preve AND Toyota Prado

A criminal suspect rammed into the Police's PREVE, but ended up his car plunged into a ditch. No other photos available.


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TEMBAKAN DI KENINGAU - CUBAAN BUNUH ANGGOTA POLIS

Maklum satu kes cuba bunuh yang disiasat di bawah Seksyen 307 Kanun Keseksaan. (Cubaab Bunuh terhadap anggota Polis)

A). NO. Repot: KENINGAU/RPT/ 0243/2017 - JSJ/KS/014/2017
B). Tarikh: 10.01.2017 @ 2236 hrs
C). Kesalahan: Seksyen 307 (Kanun Keseksaan)
D). IO Kes: Insp/P Izwan Bin Abdul Rani
E).Tempat kejadian: Kawasan Jalan Ansip, Keningau, Sabah
F). Tarikh Kejadian: Pada 10.01.2017 @ 1730 hrs
G). Pengadu:D/Sjn Hasnal Bin *****, L/ 44 Tahun, No IC : 72**** - ** - **** @
RF/12***3 B/Bisaya, K/Polis, A/ Jabatan Siasatan Jenayah, IPD Keningau
H). Mangsa: Kpl Ryan P**** ******* ****, L/34 Tahun, No IC : 82**** - ** - ****
@ RF/15***5 B/Dusun, K/ Polis, A/Jabatan Siasatan Jenayah, IPD Keningau
I). Rampasan: Sebuah kenderaan Toyota Prado dan 3 bilah parang
J). Keterangan kes:

Pada 10.01.2017 jam 2236hrs satu laporan polis telah dibuat oleh pengadu menyatakan pada 10.01.2017 jam lebih kurang 1730hrs semasa pengadu bersama D/Sjn Saftu, D/Sjn Francis, D/Sjn Steven, D/Kpl Nazri, Kpl Ryan, Kpl Marcellus, Kpl Martin, Kpl Johari, Kpl Shairuddin dan Konst Anwar membuat tugas Ops Lejang di kawasan Jalan Ansip menaiki keenderaan pasukan van W** **** dan Proton Preve W **** untuk mengesan kenderaan curi di Daerah Keningau. Semasa tugasan dibuat, pasukan polis telah melihat sebuah kenderaan jenis Prado warna putih yang mencurigakan. Kenderaan pasukan van W** **** telah masuk ke jalan kebun kelapa sawit manakala kereta pasukan proton Preve W **** menunggu di simpang jalan kerana tidak dapat memasuki jalan tersebut. Selang beberapa minit, secara tiba - tiba telah datang sebuah kenderaan jenis Toyota Prado warna putih dengan dipandu secara melulu ke arah kenderaan Preve yang berada di tepi jalan. Kenderaan Prado tersebut telah melanggar kereta pasukan Preve dan terbabas ke dalam longkang manakala kereta Preve mengalami kerosakan di hadapan sebelah kanan dan tidak boleh bergerak. Semasa anggota polis hendak menangkap saspek, saspek telah menyerang anggota polis dengan parang dan tembakan telah dilepaskan bagi menyelematkan anggota polis menyebabkan saspek mengalami kecederaan.

Siasatan awal mendapati pengadu bersama Kpl Ryan, Kpl Shairudin dan Konst Anwar menaiki kereta pasukan Proton Preve W **** berada di bawah simpang Jalan Kg Ansip manakala anggota lain menaiki van menuju ke arah saspek yang pada masa tersebut menaiki kereta Prado putih bernombor pendaftaran SAB 1987 W (disyaki palsu). Lebih kurang 5 minit, setelah menyedari kehadiran pihak polis, saspek yang menaiki Prado putih telah melulu untuk keluar dan telah melanggar kenderaan pasukan Proton Preve W ****. Akibat pelanggaran tersebut, kenderaan dinaiki saspek telah terbabas masuk ke dalam longkang dan saspek telah keluar memegang parang dan cuba menyerang Kpl Ryan untuk melarikan diri. Saspek telah melibas parang ke arah Kpl Ryan dengan jarak lebih kurang 2 kaki menyebabkan Kpl Ryan jatuh kerana mengelak. Saspek sekali lagi melibas parang ke arah Kpl Ryan dan kena di betis kaki kiri Kpl Ryan. Pada masa yang sama Konst Anwar yang melihat kejadian telah melepaskan 3 das tembakan dari jarak lebih kurang 16 kaki bertujuan untuk menyelamatkan Kpl Ryan.

Siasatan lanjut mendapati, saspek dan Kpl Ryan telah cedera dan telah dibawa ke Hospital Keningau untuk rawatan lanjut. Hasil rawatan terhadap saspek mendapati saspek telah terkena tembakan di bahu kanan, luka di lengan kiri dan punggung sebelah kiri. Walau bagaimanapun, saspek dalam keadaan stabil dan akan menjalani pembedahan untuk mengeluarkan peluru dari punggungnya. Hasil rawatan terhadap Kpl Ryan mendapati Kpl Ryan mengalami kesan tetakan panjang lebih kurang 8 cm. Siasatan terhadap kenderaan yang dinaiki saspek mendapati kenderaan tersebut dilaporkan hilang bersabit MENGGATAL/RPT/216/17- KK/JSJ/KS/41/17 IO kes Insp Idrus *** *****.

K). Tangkapan: Rendeh Bin Kapitoh, L/ 32 Tahun, No IC : 840705-12-6671,
B/ Murut, K/ penoreh getah, A/ Kg Mempulut, Keningau, Sabah
L). Tindakan yang telah diambil:
1. Merakam percakapan pengadu
2. Menjalankan siasatan tempat kejadian
3. Mengambil gambar tempat kejadian.
4. Merakam percakapan pengadu
5. Memohon bantuan Forensik IPK
M). Tindakan yang akan diambil:
1. Memaklumkan
IO kes bersabit
MANGGATAL/
RPT/216/17.
2. Mengambil rakaman percakapan saksi bebas.
3. Mengambil percakapan saspek.
4. Memohon reman ke atas saspek
N). Lain-lain: Siasatan masih diteruskan.


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Yes,  these so called test also has their weaknesses which manufacturer tends to exploit. When actual crash do happen, only chassis can save you from kissing your own engine, the other feature which they exploited to get more stars only help lessen the impact/avoid it.
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I agree. The crash test doesn't tell the whole story. The public should always use real world crash to decide for themselves whether the car has acceptable crashworthiness.
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does the new geely boyue aka bayu got hpf?
the china-ncap rate it 5 star
http://www.autohome.com.cn/tech/201609/892750.html#p1

video
http://v.bitauto.com/vplay/433951.html

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QUOTE(fireballs @ Jun 3 2017, 12:19 AM)
does the new geely boyue aka bayu got hpf?
the china-ncap rate it 5 star
http://www.autohome.com.cn/tech/201609/892750.html#p1

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Interesting question Fireballs!

I have been asking myself the same question. But I haven't started any research on that yet. That SUV was designed by Volvo team. Not sure about its safety level though.
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if the bayu is under 100k... sure will kill a lot of competitors

in china its priced at rmb 110k-180k
means 70k-113k myr
add in 50% tax should get 105k-170k

judging from the videos, they included side impact and it looks quite decent.

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