Both can. I used to renew my L at post office, RM 20 for 3 months.

It doesnt matter what bike you ride. Murah ke mahal. It's what you do with it. If the sight of dirty old kapchai makes you feel sick then there's something quite not right with you.

As yes, jangan sekali test drive moto orang/member even if he handed you the key. Not even your dad's ride. Don't.

Last weekend, hv some free time, so went to test ride kawa bikes again @ cbk motor sentul.

not many people there, and they allow riders to freely ride ( they hold ur lesen tho ) , so managed to ride longer this time.

so, I have some questions for bros here, since i dont have any experience riding bikes with capacity higher than kapchai.


OK, scenario is like this.

when i was riding the bike - speed ~ 40ish kmh. 3rd gear, rpm ~ 4k liddat,

and when i wan to slow down, i just reduce the throttle slightly... throttle not completely close/off.

now for z650, when i reduce the gas, the bike will have a strong pulling reaction, is this engine braking or wht?

and when i apply a lil more gas ( not sudden, not abrupt ) the bike will push forward, kinda strong.

Compared to z900, with same riding condition, the z900 reaction is very soft.

Questions -

is this because of engine? 180twin vs inline4 ?

or because of fuel mapping?

can this force be reduced, by remapping?

all inline4 engine behave like this? say compare xj6 z900 tnt600 ?

hope bros here with experience, pls share some input, knowledge, TQVM

characteristics of twin engine is that they have very high torque at low to mid rpm...

-double posted-

This post has been edited by ciwi1166: Oct 10 2017, 04:40 PM

high torque, it depends on which bike it is comparing to.

we will have a rough idea by referring to the dyno graph.

below we have the old ninja650 comparing to cbr650f which is i4, and have almost the same
cc 650 vs 650. Look at the low rpm section. the i2 have a slightly higher torque value,
and the mt07 have a much higher value.



and for the new z650, kawa manage to increase the low rpm torque, and make the curve much flatter than before.
The max torque is still the same, but z650 new engine max torque at lower rpm @ 6700.



but if compared to z900 which has 299cc more.
z900 @ 4k rpm the torque is ~60lbft already, where as the z650 @ 4k is at best 40.5lbft that is almost 20lbft difference.




i have tested both bike using 5th gear @~ 20km/h at low rpm jalan to pickup speed...

Z900 have no difficulty, where as z650 kinda half struggling

This post has been edited by basilisk: Oct 10 2017, 08:30 PM

well after reading articles n comments by bikers..

this is indeed engine braking, and apparently modern bikes with electronics can somehow reduce it,

as it can be an annoyance to certain bikers..

Yup, very usable and tractable torque in the city. Pulls really very easily. Plus, those twin cylinder bikes do give out a good dose of speed too

Haha.. V-Twin FTW...

.. wait.. so does boxer....

and L shape 90 degrees twin Ducati..

what about those Inline 3? had similar issue? because from those Triumph rider, they claim its buttery smooth the engine..

the more cylinder the lesser the braking effect.

so i assume that triple is almost the same as inline4, minimal engine braking.

i did test the latest monster 797, which is tuned friendlier to bikers and found that the braking effect is

less than the z650.

today benelli kinda senyap senyap launch the leoncino and some keeway bikes..

looks like E&O penang ??

hard to keep the price down ?? RM 27,999 excluding gst wor....

for msia, i think leoncino comes with ABS standard,



alot of reviews from the chinese.. hardly any yet from the west..



sharing the same engine as TRK502, and assuming no changes in tuning,

this is TRK502 dyno graph, from greece. ( written there as BN302 but it is not )



the dyno values din stray far from the spec sheet

MAXIMUM POWER
35 kW (47.6 hp) @ 8500 rpm
MAXIMUM torque 45 Nm (4.6 kgm) @ 5000 rpm

compared to CB500f.
Leon = 4.3mkg = 31ftlb @ 5154rpm



weight is 186kg dry, vs cb500f 188kg wet, full tank.

with a 360 firing inline twin, leoncino could be a big vibrator like a single ..??

sound.. of 360 inline twin ( like BN302 )



This post has been edited by basilisk: Oct 17 2017, 02:49 PM

Wuiii....sempoi..!!

TEMERLOH BIKE WEEK. 27th Oct 10am to 29th Oct 1am at Semantan Walk.

My group is planning to ride there from Kelantan via Gua Musang/Kuala Lipis/Jerantut or via LPT2 depends on the final decision.

Also beware when using LPT2 for motorcyclist as there's no petrol station available along the route so fill up or plan before you enter it.

anyone knows why temerloh is a town where there r several superbike shops? got many taukeh balak family there...?

sorry hv not been to temerloh..

the lpt2 some say is jinx? cos hv seen so many accidents deaths there, on bike on cars...

it looks like a straight hiway.. tht can take your life away..

Im not familiar with temerloh either.

LPT2 has lots of straight that invites you to speed up but I myself almost ran out of fuel speeding on it.

And also some of the part r quite bumpy... so when you full throttle, goes to bumpy road section... might cause accident..

Last time I go from trg to cherating the bumpy part is near Ajil but other part is very clear. Just have to watch the fuel really.

got side effects or not if I frequently push start my fz150?

bike now rarely used. sometimes if want to warm up the engine a bit but battery already flat. need to push start.

why not just replace the battery?