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post Jun 13 2017, 08:46 PM

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Damn expensive fees, 2% annually and during transaction?

Geez man, people are better off buying from 1/10 oz coins or 1G bar - those are just 200-600 only, and you get the physical gold.

This smells like Geneva gold all over again.
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post Jun 14 2017, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(robincflee @ Jun 14 2017, 07:17 AM)
When you buy a 1 gram coin, you will find that the premium that you pay over the prevailing spot price far exceeds our fees. Typically this premium is between 20% to 50% over the prevailing spot price. With HelloGold, we buy 1 kg bars and we enable our customers to buy fractions of the bar for as low as RM1 a time.

I would encourage you to read our FAQs on how we store our gold and the transparency that we provide - https://help.hellogold.com/en/how-do-i-know...stored-is-safe/

We are hoping to announce in the next week two new investors - one is one of South East Asia's largest banks and the other is an investment fund of a South East Asian government
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So tell this, since you keep on emphasizing that whatever gold we purchase is ours - so what would happen if I buy 1g of gold from you and I WANT the PHYSICAL 1g gold.

You're gonna melt down that 1kg bar that you have sitting in your vault somewhere to grams?

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post Jun 14 2017, 09:21 AM

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Never mind, I found my answer on your website.

So you don't buy back the actual physical gold that we redeem from you?

High fees, 5 business day redemption period and physical gold given is just your standard pamp suisse which can be bought online practically anywhere with no 2%+2% fee, and you do not accept back the actual physical gold that we redeem if we were to buy it from you.

So how is this supposed to be attractive again to gold investors?
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post Jun 15 2017, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(robincflee @ Jun 15 2017, 12:52 PM)
Our business is focused on helping individual save with gold. It is similar to GLD which I am sure you are familiar with - but at significantly lower transaction size. We enable customers to save with gold with as little as RM1. Customers can also transfer their gold at no cost to other HelloGold customers. And before the end of September, Aeon Malaysia will be launching with us a loan product that will enable our customers to use their gold as collateral for personal loans at significantly below market rates. We believe that these product features are and will be attractive to many people because they do not require to hold the gold physically. As the CFO of the world's largest gold fund, I can tell you that professional institutional investors tend not to hold physical.

That said, for people who simply want to hold and keep physical gold in their house, there are many different ways to buy the gold coins/bars as you have pointed out. You can buy bars from jewellers, banks, online dealers.

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So you're trying to help people to save money by enabling them to purchase small amount of gold, hence your main selling point is for people NOT to get physical gold from you since getting physical gold from you is considerably more expensive than others and you do not even buy back your own gold.

Then you go on saying that institutional investors do not hold physical gold, sure, I agree, but institutional investors do not buy RM1 worth of gold, do they? So what exactly are you getting at here? Making gold available to non-institutional investors who would buy at small amounts and expect them to have the same behaviour of institutional investors who purchased huge amount of gold?

Hmmmm.......
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post Jun 15 2017, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(robincflee @ Jun 15 2017, 03:42 PM)
For many people in emerging markets, they only have access to cash deposits that 1) return zero or very low interest and 2) keeps them exposed to local currency risk. This market do not typically have the ability to access fixed income or money market funds. We believe that gold can help them save better and, through our lending product, get access to more affordable loan products.

HelloGold enables them to start saving from as low as RM1. So for customers who can not afford to buy a whole coin, they can start buying gold for any amount that they can afford until they achieve the right weightage. They can then choose to redeem the physical gold bar at that point or they can continue to save through the 1kg bar. It is a choice that they can make.

Moreover, if they were to buy, say 1g of gold trading at a spot price of say RM170, the cost from HelloGold is RM170 + 2%. The physical coin premium, as I had mentioned earlier, would be anything between 20% to 50%. With HelloGold, if they want to sell their gold, they can do online through the app anytime from anywhere and get the prevailing price - 2%. If they had the physical gold, they would have to take it back or mail to back to the shop and the trade-in price would typically be lower than the 2% spread that we charge.

We offer a more convenient way of accessing a gold savings product than buying and holding a physical coin because it has a lower spread and you can buy and sell anytime.

If our customers want to take delivery of the physical gold bar, they simply have to call us up to arrange delivery. Based on the feedback that we have gotten from our customers who have enquired about physical redemption, the costs are in line with the market.
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So basically hello gold is just like the normal gold savings account from the numerous banks we have in Malaysia, only difference between hello gold and normal bank gold savings account is -:

a) hello gold min purchase is RM 1, bank min purchase is 1g

b) hello gold 2% annual fee, bank has no annual fee

c) hello gold doesn't buyback physical gold even if it's from hello gold, bank buys back physical gold as long as the gold is from the bank

d) physical gold withdrawal charges differ between banks and hello gold
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post Jun 22 2017, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(countmybones @ Jun 22 2017, 01:02 PM)
Any reason why HelloGold does not buy back its own gold?
How does it compare with KFH gold account?
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Maybe because they're giving you gold plated fake things instead of real gold? HAHAHAHAHAHA.

That no-buyback of own gold is one very suspicious thing and that is the deal breaker for me - I'd rather buy my gold somewhere else.

Nubex is not bad for bars and coins, and they buy any gold.
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post Jun 22 2017, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(robincflee @ Jun 22 2017, 03:17 PM)
We are not a bullion shop. Our main business model is to provide a gold accumulation product, a collateralised lending product through our partner, Aeon Credit, and a gifting service. The physical redemption feature is not core to our business model unlike traditional bullion shops but we offer with support from our vaulting agent.

We take delivery of 1kg PAMP bars which are audited every six months by the Inspectorate. For those familiar with international best practice, you will appreciate that the biggest gold fund in the world also use the Inspectorate to give assurance on the gold that they hold on behalf of their clients.

Our investors include Finlab which is JV fund between UOB, the Singaporean bank, and SGInnovate, a wholly-owned Singapore government fund. Our marketing partner is Aeon Credit Services Bhd, a listed company in Malaysia. Our auditors are Deloitte Malaysia. Our lawyers are Zaid Ibrahim.
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Starting to sound like typical ponzi/mlm/scam business whereby they focus mainly on piggybacking on other established organizations instead of own success.

The ability to pawn our gold for money/collateral for loan is nothing new, you're not innovating anything by simply partnering with Aeon Credit, don't really need to highlight that every single time where your business model is being questioned.

Also, stop highlighting Deloitte like they're such a big deal if they're your auditors. Auditors are - no matter how prestigious they are, basically your suppliers and they bow down to you because you're paying them. Everybody knows about Enron - who was their auditor? Ah......same thing with your lawyers too.

You can just say that you do not buyback your own gold because you don't want to since you only want to profit from your exorbitant fees, that would have been simpler. Buying your own gold back would essentially open up risks to you if gold prices surges up and you'd have to pay more than your cost, hence losing your profit.

Also, since you keep on emphasizing on your 1kg gold bar - I suspect even withdrawing gold from hellogold would be hard - sure I can buy and accumulate until I have 10g of gold - but you store 1kg gold bar at your vault, you're gonna chip off 10g if I want my gold?

Banks who are established also buys back their own gold, you know, so gold buyback is not limited to just bullion or gold shop.

Your mobile app and buyin 24/7 idea is great, makes life easier but again - your no buyback gold policy is a major turnoff. MAJOR turnoff. It also means that if I accumulate my gold with you, and one day you ship off my gold bar and I get a fake gold - you can just run away from the liability - saying postage is insured, etc but insurance doesn't cover much since posting precious metals are always risk and some postage doesn't even accept it.

There is ZERO confidence when you are promoting your gold but you yourself do not accept your own gold.

How can someone else be confident with your business when you do not even accept your own gold? Like literally if I go to your office and withdraw my gold and 2 seconds later I said "changed my mind, I want cash back", and you say "nope", what the heck is that? First thing anybody's gonna think is that "what shitty gold did you give me that you won't even accept it".
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post Sep 9 2017, 02:33 AM

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QUOTE(Azurika @ Sep 1 2017, 02:07 PM)
My issue with this platform is the 2% fee. And sumore a top up fee and buy/sell fee . Sounds like you guys have a lot of ways to make money lol. Gold does not appreciate that fast unless there is a drive , say World War 3.

My basic rule of thumb in investment, it should be at minimum higher then your FD, of even better the KLSE. I mean, on an average, take the sifu's advice on the fundsupermart page and  you could get an average between 7-10%.

Assuming the calculation of FD 4.0%, gold needs to appreciate by 6% minimum + 2% buy 2% sell.

I do have gold investment, but I trade constantly , like i may buy and sell within a week.

From a business perspective, I think the concept is great as it will/can lure the lower income group into gold investment or making the entry barrier lower. However for people who has the bullets, I personally do not think this is a good platform or I am not seeing a point here .
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Exactly - the fees are just.....pointless other than to make hellogold money.

I'm assuming hellogold target market should be people of the lower income group and not those who have the means to regularly invest in gold - if you're able to put in, let's say 1k each month into gold, or a few grams - might as well just go with some bank's gold savings account with option to withdraw, it's pretty much the same thing with more confidence to banks and probably even higher returns for the investors.

Then we look at the other side which are those whom are not capable to put in a few grams in gold regularly, and let's say they can only get maybe a few ringgit into hellogold regularly - take like RM 50/month - any returns to the investor would be pretty much.....insignificant considering the high fees.

Doesn't seem to be much benefits to the investors. Yeah hellogold makes gold investing convenient, but I'm pretty sure not many people are willing to sacrifice returns for convenience.

 

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