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post Aug 13 2019, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(jiaen0509 @ Aug 9 2019, 10:49 PM)
Need all sifus advice.

I plan to use my little extra money to earn some money pocket even RM1.

Just wonder is it worth to invest gold in HG? Anyone research about the different between Bank gold investment HG?

Buy and Sell better or use the SmartSaver?
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if you really have this plan to earn EVEN RM1......
then GOLD is NOT your cup of tea....
Go for FD......there you can be safely sure to earn RMX, continuously without any chances of losing....

every loss of 10% will need 11% gain to recovers and that is excluding opportunity cost loss while waiting for it to recover too.
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post Aug 20 2019, 08:26 AM

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QUOTE(Myacakra @ Aug 20 2019, 08:22 AM)
Still confused with the administration fees
It said that 2% annually.

Let say i buy 10g cost me 2000rm (for 200/g)

I will save for 1 year

Then 2% annually per month will cost me 1g++ for 1 years, so can we still say this is good investment?

And let say the price will be 250/g in the next year and still i will lose 200rm ++ tho

Anyone can explain this? Cause i already deposit and did not consider this in the beginning
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annually per month?
RM2000 @ 2% pa = RM40

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post Aug 20 2019, 08:28 AM

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QUOTE(Myacakra @ Aug 20 2019, 08:28 AM)
So at the end of the year only charge rm 40?
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no idea.....I was just pointing out the "probable" mistakes in yr calculation

read post # 13 for some info about that fees

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post Mar 20 2020, 09:30 AM

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QUOTE(Joshua_ambrose @ Mar 20 2020, 09:28 AM)
Hello. As some of you are aware, recently there has been an uplift on the price to purchase physical gold in the HelloGold app. Do have a look at the Physical Gold Shortage article to understand why this has happened and how this shortage is affecting the physical gold market. We at HelloGold hope that this shortage issue will be overcome soon so that we can normalize the fees. Thank you
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is this the 1st time that uplifting of the price to purchase physical gold in the HelloGold app happened?

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post Mar 20 2020, 06:19 PM

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QUOTE(siewty @ Mar 20 2020, 05:53 PM)
Wow! Another increased in just a few mins.
Now the spread buy/sell is ~9%!
Bank Gold account spread even a lot lower.
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QUOTE(siewty @ Mar 20 2020, 06:14 PM)
On top of the sell 2%, they also impost an additional administrative fees on sell which around 0.3%, if you check carefully.
Which means, SELL not actually 2%, is 2.3% SELL!
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so the total spread between BUY and SELL is 9% + 0.3% = 9.3%?

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post Mar 21 2020, 07:39 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 21 2020, 12:02 PM)
Mind sharing what is the minimun % of gain one must have to make to gain in  hit & run strategy?
In short, what is the % gain to breakeven after buying it?
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QUOTE(Joshua_ambrose @ Mar 21 2020, 07:18 PM)
We have always said that gold is not a something you make quick gains with. It is for long term savings. If the market does shift quickly and you do make fast gains, then that's awesome.
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Thank you
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I maybe wrong, but I think yklooi is trying to know the total breakeven value in %....
so it would enable him to know the total % of those displayed and not displayed charges and those price variances % too...

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post Mar 21 2020, 07:49 PM

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QUOTE(Joshua_ambrose @ Mar 21 2020, 07:48 PM)
Hello. I completely understand but it really is dependent on many factors such, but not limited to, as the rate of gold price movement, the amount of time your gold is held and also if a premium is charged at any point. It is really difficult to provide a specific answer to that when there are multiple variables involved.
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assume price in the global markets remained the same?
HG has annual holding cost too?
thus if YKLOOI hold for 15 months, if the price of the gold in the global market remained the same as when he bought it....
if he sell it, then how much will he lose in %?
assumed too (for maths) he put in RM10000 15 months ago....
after minus sales charges, etc etc......now 15 months later if he sell at the sell price as the buying price at the time he bought it.....how much will he get back?

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post Mar 21 2020, 08:13 PM

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QUOTE(Joshua_ambrose @ Mar 21 2020, 07:59 PM)
If the price is stagnant, where the spot price is the same, there would not be a break even point until the sell price increases. As to the percentage of how much it should increase to make a profit, it would also depends on how fast it increases as well.
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then if he sells 15 months later,...then how much will he lose (if the scenario as in blue happens)
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post Mar 21 2020, 08:31 PM

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QUOTE(Joshua_ambrose @ Mar 21 2020, 08:24 PM)
Ok...extended question to make my brain work on a Saturday evening smile.gif No worries. Lemme provide you with examples of if the price where stagnant as per your question and I will take a real scenario from 21st Dec 2018 (15 months) :
Your Scenario : -

Closing gold price on 21st Dec 2018 = RM171.65
Assumption is that price did not change
If he bought RM10,000 worth of gold that that point and stored it with us for 15 months and decided to sell it today, assuming today is a week day, after deducting all cost, he would be able to sell all his gold for Rm9,479.51+-


Real Scenario (with the exception that today is a weekday): -
Closing gold price on 21st Dec 2018 = RM171.65
Price today is Rm209.21
If he bought RM10,000 worth of gold that that point and stored it with us for 15 months and decided to sell it today, assuming today is a week day, after deducting all cost, he would be able to sell all his gold for Rm11,553.79+-

I hope this helps.
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this is more of interest to know the "spread"

"Assumption is that price did not change
If he bought RM10,000 worth of gold that that point and stored it with us for 15 months and decided to sell it today, assuming today is a week day, after deducting all cost, he would be able to sell all his gold for Rm9,479.51+-"

so RM10000 - 9479.51 = 520.49 = 5.2049%

thanks.....

but I thought there was a post mentioned something like 9.09% variance (post 1772)?
that is excludes all other charges.....

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post Mar 23 2020, 01:23 PM

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QUOTE(Joshua_ambrose @ Mar 23 2020, 01:20 PM)
Hello,
If there was no premium charged by our supplier to begin with, it would still be at the 'old rate' meaning that there would not be the additional premium when you buy gold. That is the only factor which is causing the higher price when you buy gold now.
As we have stated many times before, gold is for long term savings and not for fast gains. Just to let you know, we do not charge 5.5% sales charge. Our Sell Fee is 2%.
I am curious as to your statement that our platform is 100% more costly. Can I know to what are you comparing our platform with please? Thank you
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I think he meant compared to that UT platform that charges 5.5% while HG is total cost is 11%? (especially NOW)

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post Mar 23 2020, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(Joshua_ambrose @ Mar 23 2020, 01:30 PM)
Ahh I see. Well, in all honesty the premium is indeed out of our control and we are hoping that this physical gold shortage is overcome soon. We will surely remove the premium on our side as well when this happens.

Thank you for clarifying. smile.gif
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yes,...understood....as in most businesses, when the cost of "raw material' increases.....businesses will try transfer the cost.....
just like some years ago, when the price of petrol increases, some of the air lines imposes Fuel Surcharge on top of the ticket price.

just hope that HG situation of current "premium increase" will return back to normal soon....
good luck

btw, do keep us updated if there are any changes to the premium.... notworthy.gif

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post Mar 24 2020, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(ChiaW3n @ Mar 24 2020, 10:18 AM)
I saved in the previous campaign supposedly this is the third month I will buy in - then closed the last campaign. When buy in that time see the transaction fee totally scary, straightaway forget about it, sell all my gold - cash out - uninstall HG. No more HG loh...
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did they show the actual total possible cost to be charged before you "confirm" the buying?
what is the % like?
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post Mar 24 2020, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(tan_aniki @ Mar 24 2020, 03:21 AM)
Did u join yesterday campaign?
Now the buy transaction fee is 7.89% plus 2% selling fee already 9.89% with 3 months admin fee which is 0.5% end up 10.39%
Not sure the cashback RM15 + RM15 can cover the 10.39% charges of RM300 or not… (which is 10%)
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QUOTE(tan_aniki @ Mar 24 2020, 10:47 AM)
When u click buy gold, u can see the transaction fee, now drop back to 6.19%

But still the old days of 0.79% is far from reach…
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wow fees can drop/up within a day......like current sticok market volatility lor
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those unsuspecting buyers .... doh.gif

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post May 16 2020, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(BooYa @ May 16 2020, 09:31 PM)
rm237.51/g now, still can whack or not sifus?
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this rm237.51/g now,...need to add what and how many % or how much RM more if you whack it?
(read few pages back....there are mentioned extra charges....are they still there?)
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post Jun 4 2020, 12:11 AM

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QUOTE(Knight_2008 @ Jun 4 2020, 12:02 AM)
Hi if we buy the gold via HelloGold, how much must we have when we want to redeem physical gold inclusive of delivery to our home?

Also, will the gold be given at 99.99% or 99.9% purity? And it is a LBMA gold bar?

Thanks in advance.
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while waiting for his/her responses and confirmation....
I googled and found this.....

" if we buy the gold via HelloGold, how much must we have when we want to redeem physical gold inclusive of delivery to our home? "
Is there a minimum amount of gold that can be physically delivered?
https://help.hellogold.com/en/is-there-a-mi...ally-delivered/

"Also, will the gold be given at 99.99% or 99.9% purity? And it is a LBMA gold bar?"
What type of gold does HelloGold use?
https://help.hellogold.com/en/what-type-of-...-hellogold-use/



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post Jun 15 2020, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(Dexter @ Jun 15 2020, 09:46 AM)
Received email on 13th Jun.

Hello, Congratulations! Your savings reward worth RM10 in gold has been credited into your account. Thank you for saving with HelloGold & Touch 'n Go eWallet, we hope you continue to save and achieve your financial goals.

Update: TNG wallet recv RM10 on 12th Jun.
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thumbsup.gif so it is as per post below

QUOTE(GrumpyNooby @ Jun 10 2020, 09:16 AM)
From T&C from HG:

user posted image

https://www.hellogold.com/wp-content/upload...edium=affiliate

Cash back will be started to be given on 15/6/2020 right?
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post Jun 21 2020, 04:06 AM

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QUOTE(clamp_wl @ Jun 21 2020, 03:15 AM)
Regarding the market premium that we pay, will it be redeemed when we sell? Else that is an additional 5% that I am concerned about.
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while waiting for responses, you can try read discussion FROM page 87.....(it continued for a few more pages....)
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post Jul 2 2020, 06:44 AM

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QUOTE(clamp_wl @ Jul 1 2020, 10:08 PM)
Will the Market Premium be hidden inside the buying price instead?
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hmm.gif looking at the wordings describing it....

1. Gold prices will be displayed as ‘buy price’ and ‘sell price’. This will be a single and final value.
2. The value of the gold you own will be displayed according to its selling price.

thus i think, whatever cost will already be added into the buy price...

hmm.gif will this buy price be the price of the physical gold too or that is just "HG paper gold" price?
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post Jul 8 2020, 08:49 AM

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QUOTE(tsutsugami86 @ Jul 8 2020, 08:46 AM)
Immediately let us know once we invest, already got unrealise loss RM 11  bye.gif
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thumbsup.gif to me, that is much better than the last time, where one has to be aware of all other "hidden" charges....

this RM11 is equivalent to how many % spread?

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post Jul 8 2020, 09:30 AM

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QUOTE(tsutsugami86 @ Jul 8 2020, 09:20 AM)
If invest RM 100, only get 0.397g gold, let say want 4% gain, we need to sold the gold at RM 261 (compare to current selling price RM 240), the gold need to boom up RM 21 to achieve the target.

Maybe the gold price will shoot up in short term period, who knows  biggrin.gif
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240 to 261 = 21 increases = 8.75% increases from 240
"say want 4% gain, we need to sold the gold at RM 261"
if wanted gain is 4%, then the spread is only 4.75%?

is that calculation of the spread % correct?


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