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post Apr 27 2017, 09:38 PM, updated 7y ago

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Like Omputeh have Full knight armor that cover from head to toe.

Chinese armor, more like light armor.

I never seen a full face helmet before. why they never bother protect their face?

Even Japanese have full face protection they wear those face masks.
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post Apr 27 2017, 09:41 PM

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ni mesti tak pernah belajar sejarah...u think every omputeh got full suit of armor???

also...same goes to japanese...
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Omputeh fight like tanker, so need heavy armor. +25 Def.
Chinese fight use kungfu, fly here fly there. So need light armor +25 Agi, cannot use heavy.

Never play RPG before ah?
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post Apr 27 2017, 09:42 PM

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QUOTE(Baconateer @ Apr 27 2017, 09:41 PM)
ni mesti tak pernah belajar sejarah...u think every omputeh got full suit of armor???

also...same goes to japanese...
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at some point those that didn't got conquered.

of course all men were born naked.
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QUOTE(Ronzph @ Apr 27 2017, 09:40 PM)
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this one mana got full body?

even the face got no protection.

1 falcon punch habis.
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Apr 27 2017, 09:42 PM)
Omputeh fight like tanker, so need heavy armor. +25 Def.
Chinese fight use kungfu, fly here fly there. So need light armor +25 Agi, cannot use heavy.

Never play RPG before ah?
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fly ur head, all ma using horse, sword, spear & arrows?

with no face protection 1 arrow ko edi.

u got mobility so what? they got heavy armor, you can hit them but the no damage.
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Apr 27 2017, 09:42 PM)
Omputeh fight like tanker, so need heavy armor. +25 Def.
Chinese fight use kungfu, fly here fly there. So need light armor +25 Agi, cannot use heavy.

Never play RPG before ah?
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QUOTE(advocado @ Apr 27 2017, 09:38 PM)
Like Omputeh have Full knight armor that cover from head to toe.

Chinese armor, more like light armor.

I never seen a full face helmet before. why they never bother protect their face?

Even Japanese have full face protection they wear those face masks.
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Coz full knight armor too heavy and slows down ur movement. Only bodo omputeh think it's good idea to wear such heavy gear for war. Which is why those full armored holy knights got whopped by unarmored sand nikkas during the holy war.
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QUOTE(Ronzph @ Apr 27 2017, 09:40 PM)
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bodo, u see our history how we got colonised by british, portugese and british? because hang tuah just took a kris and charged toward the enemy barefoot!!!

now you know why america used to be great, until now donald trump have to make it great again

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Omputeh army got same size as Cinapek or not? Maybe only Roman legions, or Greek hoplite. All also not wear full armour.
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post Apr 27 2017, 09:52 PM

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QUOTE(RicoT @ Apr 27 2017, 09:50 PM)
Omputeh army got same size as Cinapek or not? Maybe only Roman legions, or Greek hoplite. All also not wear full armour.
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ancient time tech different can only wear skirts to war.

but Chinese why never wear face plates? too heavy?

Japanese Samurai also wear full armor + face mask when go to war. u dun see them go to war like Samurai X normal clothing.
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bodoh u ingat armor few centuries ago as light as kevlar ke???
You wear ancient full body armor and see whether you can walk or not.
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post Apr 27 2017, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Apr 27 2017, 09:52 PM)
ancient time tech different can only wear skirts to war.

but Chinese why never wear face plates? too heavy?

Japanese Samurai also wear full armor + face mask when go to war. u dun see them go to war like Samurai X normal clothing.
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Samurai face mask purely for decorative/imitation purpose la..

u really think it can block an arrow/spear/katana?

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QUOTE(Ronzph @ Apr 27 2017, 09:40 PM)
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still not full body, big hole from direct bottom.
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Apr 27 2017, 09:42 PM)
Omputeh fight like tanker, so need heavy armor. +25 Def.
Chinese fight use kungfu, fly here fly there. So need light armor +25 Agi, cannot use heavy.

Never play RPG before ah?
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what about us malay raja bomoh, +50 Int cause can protect whole country with his skill
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post Apr 27 2017, 09:56 PM

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QUOTE(petang makan maggi @ Apr 27 2017, 09:53 PM)
China use kungfu one lah.

How you expect ppl wearing over 100kg to fly over roof?
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which chinese fighter can fly the roof?

all fight just like Omputeh, but they don't have cannons like Omputeh knights.
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post Apr 27 2017, 09:56 PM

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If u watch war movie with full body armor, kene one arrow also die like no pakai armor one, so why bother, waste time and energy.
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post Apr 27 2017, 09:57 PM

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QUOTE(Baconateer @ Apr 27 2017, 09:55 PM)
Samurai face mask purely for decorative/imitation purpose la..

u really think it can block an arrow/spear/katana?
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it offers some sort of protection, also many are made from metal plates which is far better than having no face plate.

becoz Japanese are smart they know arrow got no eyes.

if not sports man wear face protection for what?
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QUOTE(advocado @ Apr 27 2017, 09:57 PM)
it offers some sort of protection, also many are made from metal plates which is far better than having no face plate.

becoz Japanese are smart they know arrow got no eyes.

if not sports man wear face protection for what?
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or brain dalam anus..
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QUOTE(Ayedd @ Apr 27 2017, 09:56 PM)
If u watch war movie with full body armor, kene one arrow also die like no pakai armor one, so why bother, waste time and energy.
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i never see those heavy armor knights kena 1 arrow gg one.

usually it's those light armor ones riding horse kena.

also some arrow already slowed down because shoot from far, a face plate might actually save the wearer.
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because they havent research and unlock that technology yet
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QUOTE(Amuro_Ray @ Apr 27 2017, 10:05 PM)
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post Apr 27 2017, 10:09 PM

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QUOTE(BetfairTrader @ Apr 27 2017, 09:59 PM)
leather armor
almost as good as plate , and much lighter
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Leather good for cuts, not good for penetration.
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QUOTE(advocado @ Apr 27 2017, 09:52 PM)
ancient time tech different can only wear skirts to war.

but Chinese why never wear face plates? too heavy?

Japanese Samurai also wear full armor + face mask when go to war. u dun see them go to war like Samurai X normal clothing.
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As if the mask can help block off swords, it is just there for decoration.
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post Apr 27 2017, 10:14 PM

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Its how tough and light the armor is than just rely on heavy armour that will burden you
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post Apr 27 2017, 10:15 PM

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Which modern army wear face armor to battle?
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post Apr 27 2017, 10:18 PM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Apr 27 2017, 10:15 PM)
Which modern army wear face armor to battle?
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welp modern armies don't really wear full armor.

but they still wear mask, as a terror effect, like their Balaclava, all skull & horror design.

Japanese Samurai when go to war they look like Demons with those face plates.
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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Apr 27 2017, 10:15 PM)
Which modern army wear face armor to battle?
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welp modern armies don't really wear full armor.

but they still wear mask, as a terror effect, like their Balaclava, all skull & horror design.

Japanese Samurai when go to war they look like Demons with those face plates.
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Kungfu master just wear cloth robe and kill 1 whole army


Armor is for pusi pondan like omputeh and TS
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QUOTE(advocado @ Apr 27 2017, 10:21 PM)
welp modern armies don't really wear full armor.

but they still wear mask, as a terror effect, like their Balaclava, all skull & horror design.

Japanese Samurai when go to war they look like Demons with those face plates.
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They wear balaclava when there's TV cameras around when they do not wished to be identified.
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It is matter of which trade off that the soldier is willing to make.

Full body armor from head to toe like the European knight will give better overall protection but it is heavy, bulky and high maintenance. Mobility shall be affected as well. Lighter armor would give less overall protection but it is lighter (less fatigue during combat) and better dexterity.

Full face helm/helmet give better protection to head & face but visibility & angle of view will be limited.

Surely ancient or imperial China has heavy armor, just the styling would be different compared to other nation due to combat suitability.


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China that time manyak olang. So hard to produce mass full armored. And then when u cabut at least light armor is where u can swim. Try wear full armored when u go swimming.
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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Apr 27 2017, 10:23 PM)
They wear balaclava when there's TV cameras around when they do not wished to be identified.
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All special forces wear Balaclava, not just for show, can protect them from face rubbing wall, or small debris.

but special ops also wear face mask not just for gas protection but also from ballistic projectiles & debris la.

Minimum they wear Protective glasses which is still considered a face armor.
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Apr 27 2017, 09:42 PM)
Omputeh fight like tanker, so need heavy armor. +25 Def.
Chinese fight use kungfu, fly here fly there. So need light armor +25 Agi, cannot use heavy.

Never play RPG before ah?
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Dafak.
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post Apr 27 2017, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(kcchong2000 @ Apr 27 2017, 10:27 PM)
China that time manyak olang. So hard to produce mass full armored. And then when u cabut at least light armor is where u can swim. Try wear full armored when u go swimming.
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u think Omputeh whole platoon heavy armor?

at least give general full armor ma, u see how many femes Chinese general died in battlefield edi.
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QUOTE(advocado @ Apr 27 2017, 10:32 PM)
All special forces wear Balaclava, not just for show, can protect them from face rubbing wall, or small debris.

but special ops also wear face mask not just for gas protection but also from ballistic projectiles & debris la.

Minimum they wear Protective glasses which is still considered a face armor.
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Didnt know u r special forces.
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QUOTE(Amuro_Ray @ Apr 27 2017, 10:05 PM)
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no need armour, if die breed again
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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Apr 27 2017, 10:39 PM)
Didnt know u r special forces.
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post Apr 27 2017, 11:38 PM

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Despite the stupid (but funny) answers, this is an interesting question! Makes me do some research..

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comm...se_plate_armor/

Here got some answers, but seems inconclusive.
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QUOTE(advocado @ Apr 27 2017, 09:38 PM)
Like Omputeh have Full knight armor that cover from head to toe.

Chinese armor, more like light armor.

I never seen a full face helmet before. why they never bother protect their face?

Even Japanese have full face protection they wear those face masks.
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Not all using same tactic

The heavier the armor (more protection) the less they're useful in combat.

Look at some of the more renown military in the west, meso, greek, spartan, roman. They're mostly lightly armor.

Favoring mobility, flexibity and agility over protection

Only Middle Ages you see sakai knight in shiny armor, but that's only the knight, others just simple chainmail and leather at best.


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QUOTE(urnicksux2 @ Apr 27 2017, 10:59 PM)
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our local indons meleis wear sarung ok jer still can conquer the world
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LOL the discussion in this topic is really funny.

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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Apr 27 2017, 09:42 PM)
Omputeh fight like tanker, so need heavy armor. +25 Def.
Chinese fight use kungfu, fly here fly there. So need light armor +25 Agi, cannot use heavy.

Never play RPG before ah?
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post Apr 28 2017, 12:35 PM

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ninja also neva wear armour, speed +90 / agility +90 / dexterity +80 / strength +70 / wisdom +50
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I must say the ancient people of China look very handsome.

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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Apr 27 2017, 09:42 PM)
Omputeh fight like tanker, so need heavy armor. +25 Def.
Chinese fight use kungfu, fly here fly there. So need light armor +25 Agi, cannot use heavy.

Never play RPG before ah?
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Why body armor when you use kangfoo to huyak huatchaaa wooooahh *bish bish bish* watatatatata!
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taiping heavenly kingdom soldiers need not to wear armor. just hakka fighting spirit.

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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Apr 27 2017, 09:42 PM)
Omputeh fight like tanker, so need heavy armor. +25 Def.
Chinese fight use kungfu, fly here fly there. So need light armor +25 Agi, cannot use heavy.

Never play RPG before ah?
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makes sense ...
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QUOTE(quintessential @ Apr 28 2017, 12:58 PM)
taiping heavenly kingdom soldiers need  not to wear armor. just hakka fighting spirit.

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are these the guys that claim they are Sword Gun no enter?

then when fight omputeh all gg.com surrender whole China?
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they don't wear full armor coz chinese use ki blast attack then the metal armor conduct the ki and they receive 1.5 damage.
Better wear cloth, not as conductive.
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Coz its actually no point to wear heavy full bodied armour. Kungfu powers like Buddha Palm and Wild Dragon 18 Palms will easily smash through the armour and crush the body inside
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Apr 28 2017, 01:31 PM)
Coz its actually no point to wear heavy full bodied armour. Kungfu powers like Buddha Palm and WildDefeating Dragon 18 Palms will easily smash through the armour and crush the body inside
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QUOTE(advocado @ Apr 27 2017, 09:38 PM)
Like Omputeh have Full knight armor that cover from head to toe.

Chinese armor, more like light armor.

I never seen a full face helmet before. why they never bother protect their face?

Even Japanese have full face protection they wear those face masks.
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In the early days, not all omputeh army personnel could afford armour as it's "sdn bhd".
Means you pay for your own armour.
Making armour those days were high cost because you need really skilled craftsman to make it. moneyflies.gif
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Cos Caina pops so large no need armor. Chairmangreatleader moo perfected the human wave tactic tat instilled fear in the better equiped n trained jepunis solders.

Chaina threw so many bodies against the ija tat kena shortages of ammo n equipment that allow rushia n Murican to Ks Chaina.The ija with adv tech even cannot hurt Caina.
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QUOTE(advocado @ Apr 28 2017, 02:06 PM)
are these the guys that claim they are Sword Gun no enter?

then when fight omputeh all gg.com surrender whole China?
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i think you confused taiping rebellion with boxer rebellion. taiping rebellion is a huge war to bring down qing dynasty but taiping soldiers lost the war during their attempt to capture shanghai because they can't match their weapons (swords, custom explosives, muskets & chinese bible) with qing

taiping heavenly kingdom only managed to occupy eastern china with nanking as capital.
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Apr 27 2017, 09:42 PM)
Omputeh fight like tanker, so need heavy armor. +25 Def.
Chinese fight use kungfu, fly here fly there. So need light armor +25 Agi, cannot use heavy.

Never play RPG before ah?
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this

just rike the mountain vs the viper..the mountain depends on brute force and raw power while the viper use deception, poison and mobility

but at the end the mountain wins bcoz of superior heavy armor....n less talking
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r we talking bout olden day or current? coz i dun recall japanese got full body armor, if u talking bout armor used in kendo practice then no, olden day japanese doesnt hv those n no1 wear those to war
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Mat saleh datang sini pon tak bawak full body armor...berat wehh..
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post Apr 28 2017, 02:49 PM

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Because it's costly and pointless when numbers is on your side.
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post Apr 28 2017, 03:17 PM

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Western armor is heavily melee oriented, but were not suited in an open battle where you can be easily surrounded and it's low visibility meant when your battalion formations are broken, ppl can take a hammer n knock you out unconscious when u least expect it, yes western armor has full plating and resistant to most blows, but try taking a wok n put on ur head n knock with a hammer n see LEL
most full plated knights were defeated and captured that way for ransom, and only the rich can afford it, its like buying a house or a pagani zonda today. I recall some English king spend so much on these armors that if nearly bankrupted his coffers.

Asian armors are more oriented to arrow attack and mobility, cuz no one really wants to go head to head in an actual battle in sword fight.

Even in the height of armored battle in the western world, in say a 20,000 army, only about 2-5000 were full plated armor, others are no different than China's armor in protection n most wore padded clothing for protection.

In China during the ming-Qing. Most armies were wearing brigantine armor, and some are known to deflect musket fire as shown in the Batavian battle(that one were in lamellar, rotan shields were used to fight the Russians Siberia, as its known to deflect musket fire too), western plate armor became so heavy that they ended using breastplate n helmets only like the conquistadors.

When more advanced gunpowder weapons were used, all armor types were abandoned at later Qing, yet they still won some battles against a gunpowder army with bows and arrows.

Only when the invention of bullets where china fell behind.

Edit: heavy autocorrect LEL

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post Apr 28 2017, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(quintessential @ Apr 28 2017, 02:12 PM)
i think you confused taiping rebellion with boxer rebellion. taiping rebellion is a huge war to bring down qing dynasty but taiping soldiers lost the war during their attempt to capture shanghai because they can't match their weapons (swords, custom explosives, muskets & chinese bible) with qing

taiping heavenly kingdom only managed to occupy eastern china with nanking as capital.
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anyway both also lost coz no armor.
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post Apr 28 2017, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(Justin.Loong @ Apr 28 2017, 01:54 PM)
In the early days, not all omputeh army personnel could afford armour as it's "sdn bhd".
Means you pay for your own armour.
Making armour those days were high cost because you need really skilled craftsman to make it.  moneyflies.gif
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then wait for those with armor die then u salvage their armor lo.

reminds me dunno which army not enuf guns then they have to wait for those armed soldiers die then take their gun and continue fight, the others wait for them die then take the gun, each gun dunno how many owners. probably jinxed.
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post Apr 28 2017, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(chinti @ Apr 28 2017, 02:24 PM)
r we talking bout olden day or current? coz i dun recall japanese got full body armor, if u talking bout armor used in kendo practice then no, olden day japanese doesnt hv those n no1 wear those to war
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This one not full enough ke?

U think samurai wear fabric clothes to war like Kenshin?

http://www.ironmountainarmory.com/our-armor.html

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post Apr 28 2017, 05:56 PM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Apr 28 2017, 01:49 PM)
fixed.
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Ok my bad. But anyways, that goes to show heavy full bodied armour is ineffective. You can see China medieval warriors actually preferred to fight with minimum armour, preferring to max their DEX & AGI rather than STR & VIT


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post Apr 28 2017, 06:02 PM

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who need armor when you can just eat pills and get superpower
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post Apr 28 2017, 06:04 PM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Apr 28 2017, 04:47 PM)
This one not full enough ke?

U think samurai wear fabric clothes to war like Kenshin?

http://www.ironmountainarmory.com/our-armor.html

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Well I realized such types of armor only diamyos and his generals wear that, lower samurai do wear armor but not as flashy as this n more crude, u can check them in googling old samurai photos.


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post Apr 28 2017, 06:06 PM

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Many didn't see actual Chinese armor though, here's some below.


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post Apr 28 2017, 06:16 PM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Apr 27 2017, 09:56 PM)
which chinese fighter can fly the roof?

all fight just like Omputeh, but they don't have cannons like Omputeh knights.
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Cannon Timeline

1st Century AD Chinese discover Saltpetre

AD 492 Chinese alchemical text describes Saltpetre as burning with a purple flame

9th Century Chinese invent gunpowder

1044 Chinese describe incendiary devices, (described in a copy made in the 1550's)

1132 Chinese mention Fire Lances

1221 Chinese mention cast iron bombs

1259 Chinese describe bamboo tubes and clay pellets

1248 Roger Bacon describes the formula of gunpowder

1248 Peter bishop of Lyon reported Moors used cannon, siege of Seville, Spain

1259 the city of Qingzhou, China is manufacturing 1-2,000 iron cased bombs per month

1259 City of Melilla in North Africa is /defended by cannon

1260 Chinese arsenal of Zhao Nanchong catches fire and explodes
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post Apr 28 2017, 07:11 PM

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Didn't paid for DLC, how to get full body armour?

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