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China launched its first domestically built aircraft carrier, burnishing President Xi Jinping’s credentials as commander-in-chief ahead of a Communist Party leadership reshuffle this year.

The warship was floated at a shipyard in the northeastern port of Dalian in a ceremony attended by General Fan Changlong, second only to Xi on the Central Military Commission, according to a statement on the Ministry of National Defense’s website. A bottle of champagne was ceremonially smashed on the vessel’s bow before the ship was escorted from dry dock, the ministry said.

The aircraft carrier program lies at the heart of China’s effort to build a “blue water” navy capable of projecting power beyond the country’s coast and protecting increasingly far-flung interests. Xi has made overhauling and modernizing the People’s Liberation Army a centerpiece of his agenda since taking power in 2012.

The aircraft carrier -- the second in an estimated fleet of as many as six such ships -- was based on the design of the Liaoning, a Soviet vessel China bought from Ukraine, refitted and put to sea almost six years ago. Launching the carrier allows Xi to tout an historic milestone before he presides over the ruling party’s twice-a-decade congress, in which roughly half of its Central Committee is expected to be replaced.

“China has this ambitious goal of acquiring more aircraft carriers,” said Andrew Scobell, a senior political scientist at RAND Corp. who has written about China’s aircraft carrier program for the U.S. Naval War College Review. “The program has different drivers, but the one that cannot be discounted is prestige and status for Chinese leaders.”

‘Key Juncture’

The new carrier, known for now as Type 001A, is being built by the state-owned China Shipbuilding Industry Corp. Construction of a third is already underway by China State Shipbuilding Corp. at the Jiangnan shipyard near Shanghai. Defenses analysts at military-affliated research groups have told state media that the country needs at least three more.

“Launching is a key juncture of aircraft-carrier building and marks a significant achievement for our country’s home-built and designed carrier,” the defense ministry said. The carrier will still require years of fitting, testing and sea trials.

Nonetheless, China Shipbuilding Industry Co., the Type 001A builder’s listed unit, fell as much as 4.6 percent in Shanghai trading on Wednesday, the most since January. On Tuesday, the company reported full-year profit of 698 million yuan ($101 million), compared with analysts’ estimates of 663 million yuan.

Limited Capabilities

The launch came as the region’s long-dominant naval power, the U.S., deployed a strike group led by the nuclear-powered USS Carl Vinson to the Western Pacific in response to tensions around North Korea’s nuclear weapons program. China’s first two carriers -- limited by their ski-jump decks, diesel propulsion systems and limited overseas bases -- pose little challenge to the U.S.’s supercarriers.

While Liaoning’s political commissar in November declared the carrier “combat ready,” the PLA Navy has largely used it for training. The carriers were expected to be limited to forays beyond the so-called First Island Chain, Scobell said, using the term for the string of archipelagos that stretches from Japan, past Taiwan to the Philippines -- all U.S. security partners.

The new carrier has more advanced weapons systems than the Liaoning, said Ni Lexiong, director of the Shanghai University of Political Science and Law’s Sea Power and Defense Policy Research Institute. The ship will accommodate more J-15 fighter jets, carry China’s most advanced S-band radar and feature four batteries of HQ-10 short-range air-defense missiles, Ni said.

“It signals the PLAN’s growing capabilities, which were achieved at a fast pace,” Ni said.

Jumps, Jets

The Liaoning displaces a maximum of about 60,000 tons. The Japan-based USS Ronald Reagan, by comparison, displaces 97,000 tons while the Carl Vinson displaces about 103,000 tons.

The first two Chinese carriers are hampered by the lack of steam catapults launching systems used by the U.S., according to Richard Bitzinger, coordinator of the military transformations program at the S Rajaratnam School of International Studies in Singapore. That means the J-15s must carry more fuel and limit ordnance loads. China may attempt to install a steam catapult system on its third carrier.

Scobell said it might be decades before China possesses multiple large aircraft carriers and becomes adept at operating them. By then, more sophisticated “carrier-killer” missiles and other new systems to deny them access to certain waters may make them less relevant.

“Some of my colleagues in Washington say: China, build all the carriers you want,” Scobell said. “It’s going to spend a lot of money, a lot of effort, but to what end?”
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Wad the? The ship is floating? Why the tajam2 part not in water. So small area size of the sheep can sapok the big2 broom2 landing stirp?
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thy spent alot of time and money developing weapons capable of destroying aircraft carriers....now thy go and build their own aircraft carrier... perhaps more to come..

still not nuclear powered..how to establish dominance like Murica??
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QUOTE(Baconateer @ Apr 26 2017, 01:30 PM)
thy spent alot of time and money developing weapons capable of destroying aircraft carriers....now thy go and build their own aircraft carrier... perhaps more to come..

still not nuclear powered..how to establish dominance like Murica??
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Higher priority are CATOBAR and addressing the lack of specialized platforms like AEW
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post Apr 26 2017, 01:35 PM

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Is the one made from trash ship?
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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Apr 26 2017, 01:34 PM)
Higher priority are CATOBAR and addressing the lack of specialized platforms like AEW
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also..probably as a training vessel...

im sure they are planning to build more of it..
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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Apr 26 2017, 01:34 PM)
Higher priority are CATOBAR and addressing the lack of specialized platforms like AEW
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i am notices USA aircraft carier once going war its just use 1% of USA strengh...cause USA have atleast 15k jet
aircraft can carry 90 the rest leave at home.
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QUOTE(Baconateer @ Apr 26 2017, 01:30 PM)
thy spent alot of time and money developing weapons capable of destroying aircraft carriers....now thy go and build their own aircraft carrier... perhaps more to come..

still not nuclear powered..how to establish dominance like Murica??
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china will develop more figher jet and more aircraft carrier. each aircraft carrier able to do ground and air attack
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The island looks pretty big. That ship must light up like a Christmas tree in radar.
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China needs aircraft carrier to show they capable of attacking, not just defend.

do not look down on china build speed.
it looks normal and weak if compare to USA supercarrier group.
but when many of them come, is different stories already.

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QUOTE(K.I.T.T @ Apr 26 2017, 01:40 PM)
china will develop more figher jet and more aircraft carrier. each aircraft carrier able to do ground and air attack
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i know..wat i mean is thy cannot linger on a AO for a very long time..unlike Murica...
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QUOTE(Baconateer @ Apr 26 2017, 01:30 PM)
thy spent alot of time and money developing weapons capable of destroying aircraft carriers....now thy go and build their own aircraft carrier... perhaps more to come..

still not nuclear powered..how to establish dominance like Murica??
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Don't tell me that this gigantic ship is powered by coal
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post Apr 26 2017, 01:45 PM

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US has what, 10 aircraft carriers in service? I'm guessing China will catch up in quantity within 10 years. Quality-wise, might take some more time.
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QUOTE(nikita zuleica @ Apr 26 2017, 01:45 PM)
Don't tell me that this gigantic ship is powered by coal
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steam turbine engine..

probably coals...but definitely not nuclear-powered..
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QUOTE(Baconateer @ Apr 26 2017, 01:44 PM)
i know..wat i mean is thy cannot linger on a AO for a very long time..unlike Murica...
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inb4, is not a carrier,
is a torpedo ship, used to ram supercarrier. lol

build 10 to ram 1 supercarrier group, the cost may still cheaper. lol

all the J15 may be used as a kamikaze type.
10 carrier carry 20 x J15 = 200 X J15, ram from sky and sea.
i wonder supercarrier group can handle it?

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Imagine Japan can build aircraft carrier in modern day..
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post Apr 26 2017, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(angelgemini @ Apr 26 2017, 01:47 PM)
inb4, is not a carrier,
is a torpedo ship, used to ram supercarrier. lol

build 10 to ram 1 supercarrier group, the cost may still cheaper. lol

all the J15 may be used as a kamikaze type.
10 carrier carry 20 x J15 = 200 X J15, ram from sky and sea.
i wonder supercarrier group can handle it?
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10 ships to ram an aircraft carrier?

u nuts?

u forgot tht a carrier group was also accompanied by few subs...

kamikaze? u think this is IJN?
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QUOTE(nazrul90 @ Apr 26 2017, 01:47 PM)
Imagine Japan can build aircraft carrier in modern day..
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thy hv heli carrier tho...

but im sure thy are capable of building an aircraft carrier..if thy wanted to..
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QUOTE(Baconateer @ Apr 26 2017, 01:50 PM)
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thy hv heli carrier tho...

but im sure thy are capable of building an aircraft carrier..if thy wanted to..
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QUOTE(Baconateer @ Apr 26 2017, 01:49 PM)
10 ships to ram an aircraft carrier?

u nuts?

u forgot tht a carrier group was also accompanied by few subs...

kamikaze? u think this is IJN?
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should be 10 carrier class to ram an carrier.

because of the battle group, only kamikaze can sink them.
also must be a mass quality of kamikaze style.

maybe need to add some sub to help out.


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QUOTE(angelgemini @ Apr 26 2017, 01:55 PM)
should be 10 carrier class to ram an carrier.

because of the battle group, only kamikaze can sink them.
also must be a mass quality of kamikaze style.

maybe need to add some sub to help out.
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WWII ended 72 years ago
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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Apr 26 2017, 01:54 PM)
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Japan got f-35b?

i googled..thy only hv f-35A...
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QUOTE(Baconateer @ Apr 26 2017, 01:50 PM)
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thy hv heli carrier tho...

but im sure thy are capable of building an aircraft carrier..if thy wanted to..
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Sudah kena banned lah from make aircraft carrier thanks to Pearl Harbor surprise attack.

Helicopter carrier is DDH class,technically only destroyer class equivalent. If Japan make one, China will scare liao.
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QUOTE(angelgemini @ Apr 26 2017, 01:55 PM)
should be 10 carrier class to ram an carrier.

because of the battle group, only kamikaze can sink them.
also must be a mass quality of kamikaze style.

maybe need to add some sub to help out.
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u know wat we called kamikaze these days?

precision-guided munition..
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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Apr 26 2017, 01:56 PM)
WWII ended 72 years ago
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advanced kamikaze. why not.....

wonder if each of the kamikaze planes carries 1 nuke warhead...

i wonder what USA will do.




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QUOTE(Baconateer @ Apr 26 2017, 01:58 PM)
u know wat we called kamikaze these days?

precision-guided munition..
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computer-guided can be hack and disabled.

human will not.


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QUOTE(angelgemini @ Apr 26 2017, 01:59 PM)
advanced kamikaze. why not.....

wonder if each of the kamikaze planes carries 1 nuke warhead...

i wonder what USA will do.
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Because anti ship missiles exist these days... these are the modern day kamikazes.

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Not using aircraft carrier to ram... adoi... ppl don't even do that in world of warship


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QUOTE(nazrul90 @ Apr 26 2017, 01:57 PM)
Sudah kena banned lah from make aircraft carrier thanks to Pearl Harbor surprise attack.

Helicopter carrier is DDH class,technically only destroyer class equivalent. If Japan make one, China will scare liao.
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thy banned themselves from making true aircraft carrier...

if they wanted to and desperate for it...thy can just reverse the ban...

it is actually an aircraft carrier in disguise...

if thy hv f-35b....thy can use the carrier...
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QUOTE(angelgemini @ Apr 26 2017, 02:00 PM)
computer-guided can be hack and disabled.

human will not.
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u think so easily hack and disabled?
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QUOTE(Baconateer @ Apr 26 2017, 01:56 PM)
Japan got f-35b?

i googled..thy only hv f-35A...
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Don't have. The option is there.


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QUOTE(Baconateer @ Apr 26 2017, 02:01 PM)
thy banned themselves from making true aircraft carrier...

if they wanted to and desperate for it...thy can just reverse the ban...

it is actually an aircraft carrier in disguise...

if thy hv f-35b....thy can use the carrier...
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they restriction still applies ?
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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Apr 26 2017, 02:03 PM)
Don't have. The option is there.
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the Marines there are using f-35b tho..
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QUOTE(vendetta87 @ Apr 26 2017, 02:04 PM)
they restriction still applies ?
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yeap..

which is why thy called thmselved Self-Defense Force...

also why they are not building or converting tht heli carrier to true aircraft carrier..

bcs aircraft carrier is an "offensive weapon"
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QUOTE(Baconateer @ Apr 26 2017, 02:05 PM)
the Marines there are using f-35b tho..
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Bonhomme Richard is home based in Japan mar.

Ronald Reagan and her group too.

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i thought they bought it off the russian
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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ Apr 26 2017, 02:10 PM)
i thought they bought it off the russian
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iirc...it was built based on the Russia Kuznetsov-class aircraft carrier..
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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ Apr 26 2017, 02:10 PM)
i thought they bought it off the russian
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The first one ie Liaoning was refurbished from the then Soviet Varyag.

This one is improved clone of Liaoning.
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I guess cnc generals really did predict the future.
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QUOTE(babykon101 @ Apr 26 2017, 01:30 PM)
Wad the? The ship is floating? Why the tajam2 part not in water. So small area size of the sheep can sapok the big2 broom2 landing stirp?
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bro, only boat tajam part in water, this under still have a big circle tube

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QUOTE(K.I.T.T @ Apr 26 2017, 01:39 PM)
i am notices USA aircraft carier once going war its just use 1% of USA strengh...cause USA have atleast 15k jet
aircraft can carry 90 the rest leave at home.
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You forget that the a carrier merely carries planes that are operated by the US Navy, which are the F18s.

The US Airforce is a separate branch of the military and they deploy to friendly airbases near the conflict zone. F15s, F16s, A10s, etc are all not carrier capable yet they are in use in the Middle East.

They do project a whole lot more of their air power than what can be carried on carriers alone. This is why they build a military alliance with other countries.

Russia and China lack this capability simply because most other countries will not allowed those 2 to use their bases. Note how Russia can only base their jets in the region of Syria controlled by Assad while the US can use several bases in the Middle East with the permission of their host countries.

Than there's also the US Marines, yet another separate branch of their military who also have Harrier Jump Jets on their amphibious assault ships which are as big as the carriers of other nations, but are technically not 'aircraft carriers'.

They do send a whole lot more than a mere 1%.
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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Apr 26 2017, 02:13 PM)
The first one ie Liaoning was refurbished from the then Soviet Varyag.

This one is improved clone of Liaoning.
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wow.. they built a new one so quickly ohmy.gif
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QUOTE(wankongyew @ Apr 26 2017, 01:45 PM)
US has what, 10 aircraft carriers in service? I'm guessing China will catch up in quantity within 10 years. Quality-wise, might take some more time.
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It's different, USA pokes here and there around the world china just want to tell ppl that if u send troops to guard my coast, I'm going to do the same to your coast, it's offensive move but for defensive purpose.
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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ Apr 26 2017, 02:21 PM)
wow.. they built a new one so quickly ohmy.gif
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Theyve been at it for the past 30 yrs.

3rd and 4th (diff class... rumored to be catobar) already under construction.

Another class is also planned with EMALS


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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ Apr 26 2017, 02:21 PM)
wow.. they built a new one so quickly ohmy.gif
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Not built, most of it is copy.
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QUOTE(foohoa @ Apr 26 2017, 02:19 PM)
bro, only boat taham part in water, this under still have a big circle part parts
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This one is clone where the blueprint is in Ukraine, it took China quite some money and time to obtain this blueprint

Clearly their technology still not as advance as US carrier, but in future they will chasing up
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QUOTE(yhtan @ Apr 26 2017, 03:00 PM)
This one is clone where the blueprint is in Ukraine, it took China quite some money and time to obtain this blueprint

Clearly their technology still not as advance as US carrier, but in future they will chasing up
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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Apr 26 2017, 02:28 PM)
Theyve been at it for the past 30 yrs.

3rd and 4th (diff class... rumored to be catobar) already under construction.

Another class is also planned with EMALS
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puyi must be proud.
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QUOTE(K.I.T.T @ Apr 26 2017, 04:20 PM)
puyi must be proud.
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QUOTE(Baconateer @ Apr 26 2017, 01:30 PM)
thy spent alot of time and money developing weapons capable of destroying aircraft carriers....now thy go and build their own aircraft carrier... perhaps more to come..

still not nuclear powered..how to establish dominance like Murica??
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First you deploy immediate containment action to prevent your enemy from deploying their carriers near you, then you develop long term countermeasure to bring the fight to them.
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QUOTE(Baconateer @ Apr 26 2017, 01:30 PM)
thy spent alot of time and money developing weapons capable of destroying aircraft carriers....now thy go and build their own aircraft carrier... perhaps more to come..

still not nuclear powered..how to establish dominance like Murica??
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Force projection to those that don't have carrier. Example in South China Seas, can intimidate other countries. Aircraft carriers can give faster air support near the water of dispute where as other countries have to fly airplane from their home base

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