I wish to know your advice on my application to local U Medical Course. I have just taken my results and I get 4A's for PA, Chem, Maths and Bio(all papers are A's), Muet Band 6, Co-curricular around 5 over 10.

My problem is: which Uni should I choose(UM, UKM, USM, Unimas, UPM, UMS). Of course like many others, my 1st choice is UM and UKM. However, I'm afraid the competition into their Medicine is too stiff. Any advice?

4As, excellent result.

My suggestion
UM > UKM > USM > [UPM & UNIMAS & UMS no idea]

Have friends in UM and UKM (medic), was told by them these U good for medic.
Consider put pharmacy/dentistry as backup for 7th/8th choices too. U won't know how many 4.00 matriculation students applied for medic.

And apply NUS/NTU too.

Yes, for sure the competition is stiff. I had a friend who took STPM the year before you.

4.00, active in co-curicular activities, also with the MUET band 6. This guy represented school in many competitions as well.

applied for medicine, listing UM and UKM as his first and second choice respectively.

Result : Medicine, UMS.

imagine the dissapointment. but at least he got the course he wanted.
good luck.

the general rule is, the established med schools like UM is always tops in the pecking order, and the straight 5As, and maybe some outstnading 4As will put it as first choice.

The unis always look at the those who put them as first choice first, and select from there. Then, they will look at the others. So some people with less than perfect results, to maximise their chances, will select one of the 2nd tier school as their first choice.

If you arew confident that your results are tops, then take the chance and put UM.

Remember, there is a quota system (no matter what the government says to the negative), and non-bumis only have between 20-40% of the places, the majority will be taken by the 4.0 from matriculation (bumis). Some med schools take in very few non-bumis.

The sad fact is, even with 4As there is no guarantee of a place..........

Excuse me for asking. Is meritocracy practised here? Or are decisions still made based on racial lines...like in those days where we had the quota system?

Can anyone enlighten.

Congrats~~~
Hope my STPM will get a result like urs.you must have been worked very hard.

basically its 50% for STPM n 50% for matrics.

so if ur from STPM, tough luck then. ur fighting for that 50% places among other races.

This post has been edited by xtracooljustin: Mar 15 2007, 07:14 PM

may i know where u got that info from? have been wondering for long but dont seem to be able to find the answer to that.

Thanks for the much advice. I really appreciate it.

However, I still couldn't decide which Uni to put as 1st choice. And I don't know how to value my confidence.

Any more advice? Am I considered as the better 4 A's as I get A in all papers?

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Added on March 15, 2007, 11:10 pmQUOTE(xtracooljustin @ Mar 15 2007, 07:14 PM)
basically its 50% for STPM n 50% for matrics.
so if ur from STPM, tough luck then. ur fighting for that 50% places among other races.






may i know where u got that info from? have been wondering for long but dont seem to be able to find the answer to that.






My opinion is that it's even lower than 50 % for non-Bumis for Medic . That's why I am so worried which Uni to get.

This post has been edited by wgy589: Mar 15 2007, 11:10 PM

[quote=wgy589,Mar 15 2007, 11:04 PM]
Thanks for the much advice. I really appreciate it.

However, I still couldn't decide which Uni to put as 1st choice. And I don't know how to value my confidence.

Any more advice? Am I considered as the better 4 A's as I get A in all papers? [QUOTE]


since 4A's are less common already, better of the 4A's will mean u get a 4.00 cgpa.

just look at the composition in the uni now, generally between 20-40% non bumi lah..................so yes it is tough, and i wonder if it will be a repeat of past years, 4 flat candidates turned down............

on paper it is meritocracy, but in practice, there are so many matric candidates with 4 flat, its up to them to choose, and there is no transparancy in the selection process.............

by the way, do you know that the matric qualification is not recognised for uni entry overseas (eg spore, oz, us etc), unlike stpm............and the govt scholars earmarked overseas are all doing A'levels, IB, SAM etc........

it would be much more easier to enter if u got NS service cert

are you sure? ns should NOT be used for consideration at all, as it is NOT a voluntary, or compulsory activity, and is based purely on the luck of the draw, where only 20-25% of the students are selected.................

how can something based on luck and random draw be used to decide uni entry!!!

Unfortunately, they do take into account if you've participated in national service. The application form even has a question asking if you've participated in NS before.

This post has been edited by Nostalgia: Mar 16 2007, 12:12 AM

[quote=Nostalgia,Mar 16 2007, 12:12 AM]Unfortunately, they do take into account if you've participated in national service. The application form even has a question asking if you've participated in NS before.

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Nothing can be done. However, I was not a NS trainee.

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Added on March 16, 2007, 1:42 am[quote=SuN_RaE198,Mar 15 2007, 11:12 PM]
[quote=wgy589,Mar 15 2007, 11:04 PM]
Thanks for the much advice. I really appreciate it.

However, I still couldn't decide which Uni to put as 1st choice. And I don't know how to value my confidence.

Any more advice? Am I considered as the better 4 A's as I get A in all papers? [QUOTE]
since 4A's are less common already, better of the 4A's will mean u get a 4.00 cgpa.

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It should be the case where 4 A's=CGPA 4.00. A does not include A-.

This post has been edited by wgy589: Mar 16 2007, 01:42 AM

hey congrats 1st of all
i think your result is quite good, coz during my batch there are some people who only got 3As but still managed to enter medic (almost 2 years ago )
Since ur Muet is Band 6 i dont think it is a problem.
During my days i put my 1st - 4th choice as UM, 5th - UKM, 6th USM, 7th - Pharmacy UM



This post has been edited by hyperx: Mar 17 2007, 07:15 PM

Ya, I'm a Chinese. However, I'm still in dilemma now of whether to put UM, UKM, or USM as my first choice. My ultimate goal is not to get into UNIMASarawak or UMSabah.

Just curious, what's your results and where're you now.
Doing Medic?

Regarding MUET, I thought Band 5 is good enough, with Band 6 not having any advantage?

Last Question, do you think I can get into UM Medic with only 5 over 10 marks in co-co?

Your advice will be much appreciated!

Its up to you. But faculty of medicine in UM is one of the best med school here. We also have few numbers of world renowned doctors that contribute a lot in medicine field.
But from my experiences, comparing with my friends from the other 2 uni, i think UM is the hardest one
And if youre really interested to do medicine in UM, i dont think theres any problems with your result. Like i told you, last time when i fill the upu form, i just put in 1st to 4th choice as medic - UM (i went to see my school counselor and thats what she told me)
i'm from matriculation. cgpa 4.0, my muet only band 5. And yes, in UM
minimum requirement to do medicine here in UM for the last year's intake is Band 3
having a muet cert is just like a compulsory requirement to enter university, thats all.
It wont necessary help you to get the place in uni
my co-co is quite good, i'm x-head prefect and also hold some other posts during my matriculation and school days.
I dont know much how this co-co will effect ur entry to uni coz during my time co-co activities is not really that important.
I have people in my batch that dont do anything for their co-co

according to the star today, only two candidates got muet band 6, one is a girl from sarawak, are you the other one?

yayaya,i aso want to ask that.....
waw....band 6...so u also receive rm 1000??congrats!!

NO. I sat for 2006 mid-year MUET .

I have no idea of what she received.

I thought there're quite alot of Band Sixth Students out there?
Maybe the girl scored the highest mark.

However, any advice to my University Application?

oh gosh..........................

apply uni in SG, my fren got 4As and got scholarship studying in Nanyang.

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Added on March 19, 2007, 7:07 amLet me enlighten u then. The gov says that we will practice Meritocracy, they cite that STPM is SAME level as Matriculation programme. Therefore, a 4As student from STPM is same level as a 4As student from Matriculation programme.

but the thing is, the 4As STPM student might not get the course he wanted, but the matriculation students is guarantee a place for his choice (remember the news that happen every year,about chinese students who score 4As? couldnt get the course they wanted?)

the quota? well, u get the answer.

*psst, the biggest riddle in our country's education, if Matrics and STPM is same level, why other country didn recognise our Matrics, while they highly recognise our STPM? funny is it?

This post has been edited by edwin3210: Mar 19 2007, 07:07 AM

the authorities supposedly have done away with the quota system, and admit students on merit.............

unfortunately, the quota system continues in the form of a dual stream pre-u pathway, the bumis through matriculasi, and the rest via stpm...........

the relative standards between the two is pretty obvious.........

when they started, the actually use both as the same, ie a stpm b = matric b, but later, after much protests, changed it to a stpm c =matric b and stpm e =matric c..............

but an a is still an a, and we all know there are a's and there are a's..........

because of the non-transparent internal marking, and the lack of external benchmarking with other internationalised matriculation systems, matriculasi results are not recognised anywhere else in the developed world..........unlike stpm, which is recognised in the commonwealth countries malaysian regularly goes to...................and the uec, also recognised internationally, except in malaysian ipta's.................

gov very clever one..now those lay ppl like auntie uncle dunno this secret. thats why less complain abt this isu.

my ex-gf, got 3.98 from matriculation and was offered UMS sabah for medic. and personally i think, UMS is not bad. don't regret if u rejected the offer u get. it's not where u study, it's how u study.

Yeah.. many matriculation student do not get their prefered placement as well. Hmm.. but I thought only a 4.0 (STPM/Matric) can go to medicine, in any university.. may be its the ruling this year, nothing less.

FYI a limited number of places is available for matriculation student to continue their studies elsewhere (not local U). I know 2 of them as they enter same uni as I am. And after working I got to know that it is the norm . Most of the places are with partners (unis who helped in developing the curriculum)

Sorry, I just need the advice on which Uni to put as the 1st choice, not debate on how unfair our education system is. I understand that Matrix will be considered over STPM even since I get into Form 6 2 years ago.(not meaning to discourage anyone of you)

Do you all think that I stand a chance to get UKM Medic if I put them as 1st choice.

if i were u, i wouldnt gv a second thought of applying other non-local U for medicine. it is a possibility u cant get a place for ur first choice, or worst, ur top 3 choices. i suggest, u just put it wat u want as ur first to eighth choice, then apply other private Uni as well (like a backup plan). hope u didn appear in chinese local newspaper in next few months, appealing with MCA for not getting ur desired place .

*wish good luck to all STPMers who going to enter Uni this year, i was same as u all 3 years ago , will grad when u all coming in.

my fren had 4As result and kk marks is 8.50...
and he's worrying he can't get a place in medics... but he should can right? he have high kk marks..
and his muet is band 5

it is a sign of the times, that a top straight As student have doubts about his/her ability..........i think the authorities have achieved what they wanted to do, ie lower people's expectations, so that they don't complain if they are not offered the choices they want..........

another student of this level with the right ethnicity/connections will already be somewhere overseas in a top university on a scholarship...........

yes.. i agree wif edwin. pls do not pass up any opportunities of scholarship studying at non local or foreign unis.

Basically, I've applied to a few scholarships and non-local Unis already.(NUS, Hong Kong U, Penang MC, IMU....)

However, as you all notice, scholarship for Medicine is very limited and Hong Kong U and NUS are just super competitive for non-locals (even for the locals there.)

Back to my question,
Do you all think that I stand a chance to get UKM Medic if I put them as 1st choice.

of course you stand a chance. after all..4As isnt that easy to get.

good luck..

okay, since everyone is beating round the bush, and you are still asking..........why bother with ukm, go for it, put um as first choice.........take a chance, you may get lucky...........go for it............um 1 choice...........

No more opinion from third party, please decide yourself as no one is able to give you an answer which you wanted badly. Last and for all, to play safe, put UMS and UMSarawak as your 1st and 2nd choice. If your want to challege the government 's red tape then go ahead with your early choices.

My final advice is draw your choices in front of the shrine

Whose said that matrix student SURELY can secure their place in Uni?? recheck the fact please, im an ex matrix student, even if you scored 4 flat, it doesn't meant the course you applied can be fulfilled, example like medic, many of my friends during matrix time scored 4 flat, but only a few of them secured themselves into medicine, others just end up in pharmacy n engineering .. it's not where you study but how you study and applied

If u'd ever considered NUS, then why not consider UM? Fac of Medicine UM and NUS are brothers u know
Anyway, if you're very sure that your requirement is above the need to enter any course you want, just put the 1st - 4th choice as the course and uni you wanted..
This is what my counselor told me, and it works for me
BTW, UKM is quite good too. I dont think you'll have any problems to enter UKM


and people, please lar, please stop arguing about matrics and STPM... TS already stated that he just need your opinion regarding his choice

owh yeah, in UM, you'll get a MBBS degree after 5 years, instead of typical MD degree

This post has been edited by hyperx: Mar 21 2007, 04:32 PM

TS,
first of all, congrats on ur excellent results.
if your ultimate aim is to study medic, u stand a higher chance if u put UNIMAS or UMS as first choice.
if u wan to study medic at UM or UKM, u r definitely up against stiff competitions.
perhaps u can try overseas institution, u might even score a scholarship.

Honestly, I dare not consider UM since it's so competitive. For NUS, at least they'll call you for interview and having a better admission process, which means if you've prepared yourself enough for the interview/test, your chances of getting admitted is even higher than that of UM.

Regarding the qualifications MBBS, MD, which one do you think sounds better? HAhahahahaha......Just kidding.

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Added on March 21, 2007, 5:12 pmThanks!
Unluckily, my ultimate goal is to study medic in West Malaysia, not really that interested in UNIMAS or UMS. (just my personnal reason and perception)

Overseas Scholarship? Well, even the most generous country, Singapore limits the scholarship for medical studies.

I've considered places like France, Holands, Belgium, and some other countries in Europe with cheaper tuition fees, but I have to learn other languages.

Xingal and hyrerx, your advice is very much appreciated.

This post has been edited by wgy589: Mar 21 2007, 05:12 PM

Aiyo , Both of them are the highest marks in MUET nationally !!
There are hundrends of Band 6 with high marks, but they both have the highest marks. Thats why they receive the reward.

Should be.

From the star on sunday................

tell me, what am i supposed to think?...........

ISOBEL Chong Shui Theen has been spending the last two months teaching English to the children of missionaries in Thailand.

"My church (SIB Olive Garden in Kuching) was looking for volunteers, so I opted to go. I stayed with a family in Kok Samrong in central Thailand and taught about seven children between the ages of four and eight," said the 19-year-old.

Isobel, of SMK St Thomas in Kuching, Sarawak, got four As in the STPM for General Paper, Literature in English, Biology and Mathematics T, and an A- in Chemistry.

She was one of two students placed in Band Six in the Malaysian University English Test (MUET).

The other is Taylor's University College, Subang Jaya, student Nicholas Ng Beng Hui.

Both received RM1,000, a certificate and a plaque from the Malaysian Examinations Council in recognition of their achievements. - By KAREN CHAPMAN

dear hyperx
no offence here..i am just talking on facts
MD or MBBS is the same....at the end of the day you still have to do your housemanship and MOship then only progress to whatever you want to become.
Again, no offence, as a MBBS holder this does not mean that one is better than those with MD.

Faculties of Medicine of NUS and UM were related long long time ago..but now the situation has changed so much.... why i say so? In the 70s, MBBS graduate from UM were respected highly because the knowledge that they had were really very good and i was told by some senior consultants that those days these graduates, in terms of knowledge, were very close to those preparing for membership exam... again no offence

Thanks

This post has been edited by bios: Mar 24 2007, 12:52 AM

dear bios
no offence here..i am just talking on facts

First of all, let me ask you, are you a medical student? coz your words is kinda too serious and it looks like a comment from typical med student. Perhaps you didnt see the smiley faces in my post. No offence..

ok back to what you said just now. Did i EVER said there is a difference btwn MD and MBBS? I'm just saying TS will obtain the same degree title of medicine which offered by other local gov uni except UM (he was comparing btwn UKM and UM). FYI, UM is the only gov local uni that offer MBBS title, others are MD. So technically what i said is true isnt it?
And please, i didnt said MBBS holder is better than MD

there's one true story i want to share with you, about 3 years ago, i went to a big gov clinics at section 7 shah alam. There were quite numbers of fresh interns working there. Then i heard one of the uncle next to me asked one of the intern:

Uncle: doctor, are you fresh grad? from which uni?
Intern: yes, from Uxx (local gov uni)
Uncle: is it possible for me to get attended by doctor from UM?

*i'm not trying to boosting UM or what here, just that i wanna share with you my real live experience*

so tell me, now the quality from UM is no good huh? so pity me lor, i'll be grad from UM in less than 3 years time..

(to avoid another misunderstanding, i'm not saying UM is the best)

thanx

Hi Hyperx,

You're medical student in UM? Wow! So, what's your advive to me?
Do you think that many top scorers will choose UKM?

dear hyperex
again, no offence here
i think i will not comment anymore on the standard of UM now (which is not my intention) and my point is just that those days UM grads were highly respected because of the reason stated and i am NOT saying that UM Med grads are no good now...
since i have the oppurtunity to be exposed with grads from various med universities, so i know what is happening..and i will not make any comment on this..hope this will settle the issue

again, i would like to say here, i mean no offence...
and lastly... berkhidmat untuk negara
penyayang, bekerja berpasukan dan profesionalisme adalah budaya kerja kita

sincerely apologize for any inconvenience or any heart-ache caused

thanks again

This post has been edited by bios: Mar 24 2007, 10:11 PM

@wgy589, hey i though i already told u that i'm from med faculty UM. My advices? I already told u on previous pages

@bios, i'm sorry for my harsh post too. I guess i'm a bit emotionally unstable when i read your post and straight away replied in that manner.
Yes, i agree with you, no matter where we study, in the end we will still work under the same roof and for our people our country, so we need to learn to appreciate each other ..

dear hyperex
glad that you understood my point
finally, wish you good luck and hope you will pass your final MB with flying colours
cheers

This post has been edited by bios: Mar 24 2007, 11:28 PM

Oops, sorry. I forgot your name.