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GrumpyNooby
post Apr 23 2020, 09:05 AM

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post Jul 16 2020, 09:50 PM

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QUOTE(drbone @ Jul 16 2020, 09:41 PM)
What’s the rate now for PMMMF?
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post Jul 21 2020, 09:07 AM

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QUOTE(majorarmstrong @ Jul 21 2020, 09:03 AM)
Thank you
Uncle just put rm1 inside to open account that is why I curious go check check
What about withdrawal how many days?
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jul 20 2020, 08:11 AM)
It takes 2-3 days to get money out.
PMMMF takes same day if using Maybank before 11am
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post Jul 21 2020, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(majorarmstrong @ Jul 21 2020, 12:20 PM)
My rm1 put yesterday still cannot see inside
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RM 1 can buy?
I thought min initial investment is RM 1000.
Min additional investment (top up) is RM 300.

This post has been edited by GrumpyNooby: Jul 21 2020, 12:24 PM
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post Jul 21 2020, 01:32 PM

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QUOTE(chichabom @ Jul 21 2020, 01:30 PM)
When i opened my acc last they also asked to try out a transfer of min rm1 from own bank account to them and it will be invested in PMMMF. Cant fully understand the relevance behind this
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This procedure is for account validation only right?
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post Jul 21 2020, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(majorarmstrong @ Jul 21 2020, 04:40 PM)
i believe so and now my account open
my RM1 hilang
transaction history also no show got RM1
i also dont know how, maybe they cheat
if RM1 also want to cheat let it be la
i have more question, does the below 2 fund also give 2.4%?
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QUOTE(majorarmstrong @ Jul 21 2020, 04:40 PM)
or should i just put money inside PMMMF?
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Have you checked your bank account if the RM 1 has been reversed? hmm.gif

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post Jul 21 2020, 08:51 PM

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QUOTE(majorarmstrong @ Jul 21 2020, 08:44 PM)
thanks for all sifu info
so my next question is both PMMMF vs PMICF same same?
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PMMMF Mandate:
Primarily in government / government-backed securities, bills of exchange, negotiable certificate of deposits, promissory notes, call deposits and other short-term government/ bank-backed securities and money market instruments. There is no minimum asset allocation for Phillip Master Money Market Fund as it is 100% invested in fixed income securities and / or money market instruments.

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https://www.eunittrust.com.my/pdf/Factsheet...00072020_fs.pdf

PMICF Mandate:
1. At least 90% of the NAV of the Fund will be invested in Islamic money market instruments and Islamic Deposits which have a remaining maturity period of not more than 365 days.
2. Up to 10% of the NAV of the Fund will be invested in Islamic money market instruments and Islamic Deposits which have a remaining maturity period of more than 365 days but fewer than 732 days.

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https://www.eunittrust.com.my/pdf/Factsheet...06072020_fs.pdf


I don't see much huge difference between them.




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post Jul 22 2020, 09:29 AM

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If there's element of fraud, can always lodge a complaint to SIRDEC.
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post Jul 22 2020, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(majorarmstrong @ Jul 22 2020, 04:18 PM)
the % of calendar year return show about 3.xx
does it include the income distribution or not, if not then would be higher, if yes then this fund so so saja
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QUOTE(ironman16 @ Jul 22 2020, 04:20 PM)
Uncle, that's why i said short term ma, πŸ˜‚ just wanna fight 1 month FD nia
Better than money market fund but can't fight with FI
Nomura not bad liao
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Malaysia 10-year MGS yields fall to record low

KUALA LUMPUR (July 22): The 10-year Malaysian Government Securities (MGS) yields have fallen to a record low of 2.63%, after the nation registered in June 2020 its highest net foreign inflow in six years since May 2014.

Bank Negara Malaysia said on its website that trading yields for the 10-year MGS maturing in August 2029, fell one basis point to close at 2.63% yesterday (July 21).

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/mala...fall-record-low

This may impact those FI funds that invest heavy in MGS and/or MGII.
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post Jul 22 2020, 09:08 PM

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QUOTE(majorarmstrong @ Jul 22 2020, 09:06 PM)
then got impact OPUS or not?
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It may impact OPUS Shariah Short Term Low Risk Asset Fund.

Fund Mandate:
The fund seeks to achieve higher returns compared to the benchmark over the short term* while preserving capital** by investing in sukuk issued or guaranteed by
the government of Malaysia and/or Bank Negara Malaysia.

https://www.opusasset.com/wp-content/upload...v=1595423236551

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post Jul 22 2020, 09:44 PM

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QUOTE(majorarmstrong @ Jul 22 2020, 09:42 PM)
Below is what i have so far i still dont know which one got invest in MGS

1. AmanahRaya Syariah Trust Fund
2. AmanahRaya Unit Trust Fund
3. Phillip Master Money Market Fund
4. OPUS IPF
5. OPUS MPF
6. ASN Equity 3 Fund
7. ASN Sara 1 Fund
8. P e-INCOME
9. P e-ISLAMIC INCOME
10. P BOND
11. P ISLAMIC ASIA TACTICAL ALLOCATION
12. PB AIMAN SUKUK
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Go open every fund factsheet and read the fund mandate.
Also observe its top 5/10 holdings.

I don't research in fixed income segment.
Others may help you.

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post Jul 22 2020, 09:54 PM

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QUOTE(majorarmstrong @ Jul 22 2020, 09:49 PM)
example like this AmanahRaya Syariah Trust Fund the top 5 holding so no impact
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If it has MGS, it'll show "MGS"

Example from IPF:
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post Jul 22 2020, 10:01 PM

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QUOTE(majorarmstrong @ Jul 22 2020, 09:59 PM)
so kantoi la for Opus IPF
perlu jual semua ka?
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Why panic? It has only 6.8% holding for a 15-years MGS; not 68%.
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post Jul 22 2020, 10:14 PM

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QUOTE(ironman16 @ Jul 22 2020, 10:11 PM)
Uncle, let the fund manager do his job, u oledi pay them.
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That's why it's better for him to just keep the money in FD, EPF and SSPN.
His heart is not that strong to sustain market high volatility.
Spend time at banks lounge and can get freebies if place FD (for instance, FD from Bank Rakyat).
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post Jul 23 2020, 07:48 AM

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QUOTE(ironman16 @ Jul 23 2020, 12:41 AM)
Uncle can use 100 - ur age rule, this is the equity u can have, example 100 - uncle age (assume uncle age 60) = 40, mean suggested uncle can hold 40% of equity fund but uncle can lower it to 20% equity fund. Other uncle can put in may b money market fund 50% and 30% FI ( i assume uncle very Conservative investors).
Among the 20% equity, uncle can choose a few fund let say 5 or 6 and spread it consist global, asia n Malaysia fund.

If uncle feel that 20% still high, lower to 10% or 5% oso ok. Increase later when u feel confident n comfortable.
Suggest only.
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That won't work for him as he said "i just dont want to burn my saving that i kept for myself and my wife"

In unit trust, nothing is guaranteed. Things can go south. For investment, there's always a risk-ratio even with the lowest risk financial vehicle such as MMF which is sensitive to OPR cut (interest rate risk).

That's why EPF, ASx FP, SSPN and FD are the best choices for him. He can sleep soundly at night.
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post Jul 23 2020, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(ironman16 @ Jul 23 2020, 10:31 PM)
Uncle, roller coaster o, u tahan or not? πŸ˜‚
U got tengok the chart?
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Have you ever play Pokemon Go?
You must catch all of them. dry.gif
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post Jul 23 2020, 11:03 PM

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QUOTE(ironman16 @ Jul 23 2020, 10:58 PM)
πŸ˜…πŸ˜…πŸ˜…
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Must be attracted by handsome gain shared by WhitE LighteR in FSM thread.

I read RHB Gold And General Fund used to lost close to 50%.
Somebody shared it in FSM thread.
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QUOTE(ironman16 @ Jul 23 2020, 11:08 PM)
Ya, i know too, as long as uncle know what he doing is ok la.
Its a big move for him
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He seems like contradicting his ownself.
One side said "dont want to burn my saving" and another side keeps dumping money here, there aimlessly with the mindset of "just 10k saja ma".
You get my point?
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post Jul 23 2020, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(ironman16 @ Jul 23 2020, 11:13 PM)
May b he wanna test test water n find a suitable platform for him ma 😁😜😜😜
Sure i know ur point. πŸ˜†
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Well, he has all the time in the world.
Let him be then.
Another thing, he's rather impatient too if you got what I said. whistling.gif

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post Jul 24 2020, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(majorarmstrong @ Jul 24 2020, 12:17 PM)
But long term do you see reit as a good investments?
Even now I go shopping mall some like empty but Malaysia consider good la. Again some tenant also gave up cause cannot pay rental. Have a friend who have 2 lots in berjaya times quare tell me rental 30k per month saja but now 1 day do about 1.2k of business and have 30 employees. Totally cannot cover.
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REIT can be in malls rental & management or office space rental.
It depends on the REIT operator portfolio and mandate.

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