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post Mar 14 2007, 11:05 PM, updated 19y ago

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I was thinking of putting in a straight flow exhaust... but then i hear a lot about back pressure importance and stuffs. please advise.... icon_question.gif
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post Mar 14 2007, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(maddriver @ Mar 14 2007, 11:08 PM)
straight flo as in the box or one long straight mid section. if it's the box, keep it s-flow but with bigger internals.
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straight flow as in ermm... the box where i can see tru it to the other side...

currently im on sflow and its partly see tru if angled properly (when u see it tru one hole to the other side.) Mine has a plate on the mid section. 2 inch internals. but on stock pipes.

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Dotted lines is the line of sight that u can see tru it if u angle it properly. its still consider sflow?

My ride is MyVi automatic.

This post has been edited by jasondotcom: Mar 14 2007, 11:18 PM
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post Mar 14 2007, 11:21 PM

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updated see photo above
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post Mar 14 2007, 11:34 PM

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so confirm cannot use straight flow lar rite? iyah...too bad. too too bad.

eh how come cannot find any infor in google on sflow exhaust? and how to search in google for this kinda exhaust infor for diff. type gearbox... like which design exhaust is for which etc....

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post Mar 14 2007, 11:38 PM

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QUOTE(shinjite @ Mar 14 2007, 11:35 PM)
you can use it if you want ler, no problems 1
Just make sure got enough backpressure
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why need back pressure? i read some articles in the net says that to reduce back pressure as much as possible ler... im really unsure.gif
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post Mar 15 2007, 07:14 PM

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Okie. thanks guys for the inputs. im sticking to my s-flow exhaust.
but.... now im thinking if those twin loop exhaust were any better? hahahah...
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post Mar 16 2007, 10:46 PM

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hummm....ok... now refering to my drawing posted in the first page... is my exhaust considered s-flow?
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post May 2 2007, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(seantang @ Mar 17 2007, 08:02 PM)
I don't know about Myvis, but for an engine like the 1.8L 4G93 with an autobox which spends 99% of its time at 2500-4000rpm, a good exhaust upgrade that maximises power at those rpms (I don't care about sound) will be a straight flow muffler with an internal diameter of roughly 1.7" (which is more or less the same with the stock piping). The stock piping is actually sufficient but the problem is that there are too many kinks, restricting flow. Change that stock piping to mandrel bent piping of the same 1.7" diameter, and remove the resonators.

The end effect will be a direct flowing exhaust of 1.7" inner diameter all the way from the extractor to the exhaust tip... ie. no increases or decreases in inner diameter (ie. volume) from one end to the opposite end. That should maximise the output of the 1.8L engine between 2500-4000rpm.
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Humm... so ur opinion is free flow with no back pressure is good for automatics? rclxub.gif
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post May 2 2007, 11:29 PM

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QUOTE(seantang @ May 2 2007, 06:05 PM)
Yes that is indeed my opinion. A free flowing exhaust with no back pressure is good for any car, automatic or manual.

An engine+auto is no different to the same engine+manual trans. The only difference is the rpms where the driver spends most of their time.
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But lotsa ppl are going around saying that auto will lose a lot of torque / power at the lower range of the rpm if using free flow / straight flow exhaust?

Just askin.... icon_rolleyes.gif

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post May 5 2007, 12:18 AM

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QUOTE(seantang @ May 3 2007, 11:06 AM)
Like I said, it is the rpm which is important.

For example,

1L engine @ 3000rpm produces n m3 of exhaust gas & needs 1" exhaust piping (no mufflers etc) to vent the gas out most quickly.

1L @ 4500rpm -> n+1 m3 & needs 1.2" piping.

1L @ 6000rpm -> n+2 m3 & needs 1.4" piping.

So, piping must suit the volume of gas produced at the relevant rpm.

So, what is the "relevant" rpm?

For manuals, that's whatever rpm you want it to be.

For automatics, it's usually between 2000-4000rpm. Rarely anything out of that range for 99% of the time. So, in order to have the best piping for this 1L auto, you'll need something between 1" to 1.2".

So, why do most people think autos need "backpressure" and restrictive exhausts or additional resonators?

Simply put, because they go listen to the exhaust shop and install piping which is too big, for eg. 1.4" which will be fine for high rev 1L manuals but not for autos which don't high rev very much.

What happens when they go back to the exhaust shop complaining about low rev sluggishness? Will they replace the piping with a smaller one? No, because that confirms they are not very good in exhaust tuning and they can't charge you $$ for the additional work. So, they make up a fairy tale that "autos need backpressure" and recommend restrictive exhausts or additional resonators to make the entire system more restrictive. For eg, adding a restrictive muffler to 1.4" piping will make it flow as if it is 1.2" piping. On top of that, they make $$ selling you mufflers and resonators.

So again, "backpressure" ie restriction is NEVER good. You simply need to choose the piping size that flows best for your engine's capacity and rpm range. If 1.2" piping is best for your auto, then make sure your free flow exhaust and resonators also have internal diameters of 1.2".
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So, im driving a MyVi automatic 1.3litres. With stock pipes, exhaust manifold, mid box but with a after market in house made high flow S-Flow.
So if i were to change my manifold to a 4-1 header (The only currently offered configuration to date), maintained the stock pipe and mid box but changed to sports exhaust / free flow exhaust at the rear, confirm i won't lose any torque / power at lower / higher rpms?

Please advise.


 

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