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post Nov 6 2018, 11:35 PM

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Whenever guru is claiming to buy multiple units via loan compression, I wonder anyone asking whether the purchase and loan made under own name or 3rd party loan (ie JV with students who have 90%)?

Did the students ( where their name solely in loan) know what they got themselves into? And being a guru.... Do they know they indirectly using their student's privilege?
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post Nov 7 2018, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 7 2018, 06:00 AM)
During 2011-2014, uuu/BBB brought many to holand citing missing the boat, etc.
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Those who bought under loan compression and backfire miserably wouldn't get my sympathy.

You play fire in kitchen you need to tahan the heat.
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post Feb 1 2019, 10:42 PM

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QUOTE(Bjorn1688 @ Feb 1 2019, 04:25 PM)
There are still people into this?

I thought these types of risks are only to be done during a recovery stage of the property market or when it is booming.

In 2005, my old man was approached by a certain developer's rep to view a not yet launched project. Only 200+ units of high end condos.

He brought me along as he was interested in moving out of his landed house.

He was shown the project, was quite interested and said he would buy a unit but his max budget was around RM1.8m as he wanted to sell off his house.

Back in the day, you could forget about rebates or cashback and if you had to ask for a discount you'd be told where are the doors.

Instead of being shown on the plan 1 unit that was in his budget, the rep told him no need to sell the house, all he needed to pay was RM50k per unit to book. Told him they would arrange everything else. He pestered to book 5 units, said guaranteed no issues.

Next day he gave them 5 pieces of bank drafts and was told he would hear from them very soon. Each unit was RM520psf. All 5 were identical but 2 of it is in the 2nd phase.

He then forgot about it till 8 months later, they told him the condo was launching and to come sign some docs. On the day of launch it was RM590psf for the 1st phase and only 35 units were available as the rest were sold before launch. He was told to pay another RM50k "goodwill money" on the 3 units.

6 months later, 2nd phase launch 40 units available for RM650psf. Had to sign SPA for all 5 units and loan agreement as well. All were priced at RM520psf but SPA RM650psf.

Now at VP in 2009, 1 unit was sold at RM880psf.

2 were rented out as bare units. Enough to cover the repayments.

1 unit he had it renovated and moved in. He gave me the keys to the old house.

Only thing 4 months later he asked me to return the key as he wasn't going back there as he was through with living in a prison in the sky.

Therefore it was rented out at a bit more than the other 2.

2013, he sold both the bare units at RM1220psf to the tenants that were living in it.

2014, someone offered to buy his remaining unit at RM1500psf. He didn't sell.

Today that place asking price RM1200psf.

I always thought that was the example of loan compression as essentially that unit is nearly FOC.
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Very inspiring story. I am sure many who live through property boom 2006—2012 wishes they could buy and leverage more.

Unfortunately feel sorry for those who do loan compression 2013—2017.
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post Feb 21 2019, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(leelee1988 @ Feb 21 2019, 04:43 PM)
Now every one talking Adrian wee only haha. Gary chua no people mention dy?
Anyway how real is this?

Keep getting whatapps message from some banker.

*Bank new ruling effective June 2019*.
Any multiple submission now will be scrutinized by banks. Assume bank detect u hv multiple submission in several banks, bank will require u to submit cancellation letter from other banks to avoid buyer multiple submission.

Any cases now with multiple submission need to complete before 1st June 2019. Pls take note.
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This is good move. I am surprise it took the banks so long. Maybe they also close one eye because they want business.

At today climate, it is even surprise me more ppl still do loan compression.
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post Mar 23 2019, 12:55 AM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Mar 21 2019, 12:06 AM)

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This is a very informative clip. Do not go for loan compression /cashback combo if you do not have the discipline, knowledge and skill in property investment.

And again... Human always blinded by greed... You only can blame yourself. And hopefully you learn the lesson and able to climb up again.

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post Apr 24 2019, 12:08 AM

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Gosh so many owners with multiple units with about the same Outstanding (same size).

I wonder which guru promote this project last time.
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post Apr 24 2019, 12:17 AM

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Apr 24 2019, 12:16 AM)
Tis kinda cutie I owners ll cos huge prob to maintainance of the building

Having said tat a project with too many buying for investment is kinda doomed hor
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Hahaha....
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post Apr 24 2019, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(Harry_Bobinski @ Apr 24 2019, 02:58 PM)
There is another method coming into place. Michael Tan's Property Stacking as "opposed" to loan compression. No idea what it is, but I believe it also relates to buying multiple properties at a go.

The lelongs no doubt are giving better opportunity for people to buy their place for own stay compared to HOC and rebates.
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I think Stacking just a name for refinance/gearing more properties based on rental/below market value.

For example 20‰BMV prop u lease to Subhome which earn 8÷ rental yield. You refinance and/or buy more property based the income/cash earn from the property. And you keep repeat the process because the cash flow suppose to cover the acquisition of the properties.


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post Apr 24 2019, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(mangoproperty @ Apr 24 2019, 05:09 PM)
Btw, is loan compression a fraud ? Consider cheating the financial insti or not ? Is there jail term if my friend does it ?
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It is a fraud...

As you deceive the bank based on parallel loan submission for multiple properties where banks evaluating based on dsr without the knowledge of loan submission wirh other banks for different properties.

There are many methods out there used to deceive banks...
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post Apr 24 2019, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE(omega17 @ Apr 24 2019, 05:20 PM)
Please don’t misleading and over promised if u can’t achieve what u have said.

What a joke Subhome give8 % rental yield? They can’t even pay the owner ontime for the Robertson and the private private suite 188. Plus with 3 digit income for feb peak season.
Compression loan oledi bad enough Subhome expedite the process by killing the owner faster.
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Subhome is Michael tan's company. Onlu Airbnb can provide additional yield at today's market. I am sure Subhome use their summer suites as reference with their client pitch

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post Apr 24 2019, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(omega17 @ Apr 24 2019, 05:43 PM)
Subhome cant even able to list in the Airbnb due to poor service and unclean room. Few complaint from guest they being delisted from airbnb

They even destroying the rental market in Robertson by renting it out rm2400. If this kind of rental why owner still need passed it to subhome? 40% profit taken. Owner can rent it out themselves and getting higher rental.

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It is out it topic but Subhome thougjht they can replicate their success with Robertson. They may have fund and aggresively offer high rental to owners to build economy of scale in Robertson.

Either their hospitality management is sxxk or the guests occupancy below their projection.
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post May 14 2019, 01:41 PM

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Most late buyers were blinded by the property market boom in 2008-2012. Even some experienced investors were caught.

Akin of call margin,loan compression is a high risk and high gain game.
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post Jun 15 2019, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Jun 15 2019, 12:25 PM)
These mortgage brokers may apply up to six banks for a buyer. When three approve a loan, instead of buying one house which cost RM800,000, the buyer may end up buying three.

The “motivation”, he says, is the cash rebate which sometimes run up to 30% of the house price.

On the conservative side, the buyer may be offered RM100,000 rebate for a RM800,000 house. Three houses mean RM300,000.

Assuming a 30% rebate, that is RM240,000 per house. So the borrower takes a 90% loan, or RM720,000. The buyer gets a “cash back” of RM160,000.
Multiple applications

Banks were unaware of multiple loan applications.

“The whole process is to cheat the banks,” the source says.

“This led to banks asking for termination letters from the other banks, when they got wind of it,” the source says.


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I feel sorry for the banks only now they are closing the loophole.
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post Jan 2 2020, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(metaclaw @ Jan 1 2020, 03:18 PM)
First loan 370k rental 900 no issue

New loan
618k commercial lvl 21
400k residential lvl 38

I just signed spa and LA for both undercon new project at the same time. How high is the chance loan being cancelled?
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I am not sure I get you. The loan amount between these two are so much different even if u submit both parallel, very unlikely banks will treat both as same property.

Maybe you just think too much.

Have you (or your bankers) work out your own dsr based on these acquisitions?
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post Jan 2 2020, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(metaclaw @ Jan 2 2020, 11:29 AM)
DSR and installment shoulndt be a problem gua although i dont know how to calculate it. I just wish i could save the 20% cash downpayment if can. Who knows it turn out ugly to face those risk of loan being cancelled and blacklisting.

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Then you have nothing to worry.. At least bank side.
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post Jan 2 2020, 12:22 PM

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post May 3 2020, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(Rickyqq @ May 3 2020, 10:58 AM)
Newbie here, I want to ask the seniors here, how buying property with 90% loan can be profitable when the initial cost is so much, factoring in stamp duty, legal fees, insurance, etc. When we sell the property after 5 years given the Rpgt tax will be 5%, and all the bank interest incurred during the 5 years, paying penalty early loan settlement. Furthermore, property price supposed to be increase 8% per year, but the after checking property prices, it does not seem to happen in many current properties. So, when I sell the house in the 6th year, I will be at loss. Hopefully, someone can guide me, thank you.
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Many are quoting the profitable flipping from 2008-12 where range of gross capital gain can be from 30-200%.

This is where many are sucked into loan compression scheme where they expect the property can be flipped for handsome gain. However this is no longer the case, post 2014.


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post Jun 8 2020, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(garyming9191 @ Jun 8 2020, 01:42 PM)
I also want to know is there any success loan compress investor outside, mind sharing?
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There are... It is not rocket science.. If you bought between 2008-11 during market bull, you will make a lot of money.

Loan compression is just a speculation tool. Due to OPAQUE malaysia property market and lag time of anywhere between 2-5 years, this tool is extremely risky. However if you could find a very good buy, just as 20-30% below the neighbours market price and yet with its own usp, you can great reduce risk of this tool.

 

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