Throughout my job experience, I personally knew 3 Manager that previously work in MNC (like DKSH, Auric Chun Yip, Socma Trading, Unilever), but then I work with them in local/chinaman company.


WTF? From MNC as Manager, then now they come to small company as Manager?



What logic is this?

I tot MNC is always the best?

This post has been edited by win7: Apr 14 2017, 01:31 AM

what they didnt tell you is how much their salary increased

oh it's win7 again! I think there's a simple answer. The same reason you keep resigning.

because there's no life in MNC

Macam local company ada life?

What i notice was small company usually u dont need to work OT everyday. U will able to control & manage your own time.

Ofcoz some got exception eg, which dept u working in, company biz nature etc.

less stress obviously

Local company no sexy OL.

MNC cause of too many employees. sometimes. only 1-5% increase in salary.
and sometimes in small company the increase can be more.
no doubt the benefits is lots more in the MNC.
but overall. mostly MNC have very small increment.
imagine a small company with 100 people.

with a big mnc of 1000 employees.

so if 100 people I can give 7- 10% increment

but if 1000 employee.
I can give max at 1-5% or maybe at most 7%
and that one also I will choose cream of the crops to give 7% increment.

small company you have to cover all things
if large company like mnc you only cover specific things.
so if someone want to "learn and progress more in career they will go back to small company." even have more things to cover but at the end can get more knowledge and get more $

Cukur now i work in local cinapek company.

Small company = less bureaucratic and less red tape

anywhere you go still end up the same. work still work. maybe the perks will be more. salary hike a bit if you jump company. but sometimes salary will go down as well. if you jump wrong company. but some small company also will not give much benefit, increment only rm70 or rm90. so if 3% with around 3k salary range that is the most can get from increment. unless you found another job and jump and jump. small medium business company is ok to start and learn. or in the middle during your 35-45. but for me I think mnc will be the one for final settlement. until old age. if don't have other source of income like business and other stuffs investment to take care for your expenses during your golden days like 45~ 55 years old. of course we cannot rely on the kwsp. I have once ask a kwsp officer. how long can someone take out and use their kwsp money. base on the officer says. on average around 200k people will finish using it within 6 months to 2 years maximum. so if u take out money at 60 years old. at 62 almost finish all. cause all take money invest in share, do business, buy car, renovate house, give kids to study uni. at the end finish way early than expected.

Just compare driving a big large Toyota Alphard vs driving a simple Axia or Kancil.
Yes, driving Alphard is prestigious and all that. But you got to sacrifice stuff like harder to park and so on.
Axia - or motorbike - even, less glamorous, but you can control it much more easily.

MNC vs small also a little like that.
MNC has so many levels of management. Protocols. Rules. Workflow. Approval processes.
These are called bureaucracy.
In order for something to happen, you may need to go through so many levels of managers and meetings. Is it worth it? If the company stuck in past traditional approach, even if you are manager level and want to turn things around, you got to sit in meeting raise issue, other manager say Tak Boleh, this and that. It's just like going to United Nation meeting like that.

On the other hand, small company. Just go and sit down with the CEO or boss. Or even talk it over coffee, and he gives Nod, you can go ahead. Or he could even trust you to make your own decisions as long as you deliver the productivity.

ya right. this is also much more simpler to explain.

in MNC maybe you have 5 top positions.
but in a department of 20 to 50 people. everyone eyeing for that position. back stabbing and accusation, misunderstanding and rumors and gossips will eventually cause you more stress than the work itself.

if in small company let say got 2 top positions.
in a department of 5~10 people only that much of people can get into all this politic office scene so not much stress compare to the mnc.

but if you can strive and survive in large mnc actually in small or medium company you will sure be able to survive.

anywhere you go sure have politics. is the matter of you want to get involve or not.
for me I am a neutral person. I can say all company have politics is just the matter if u want to care it or not. if you are like me mind my own business. as long as finish my task. as long as I am helpful I don't care I don't want I don't need to know whether anyone stab or say bad things, even if that is so just carve a smile and go through the day. don't need to take revenge or involve in deep argument. the more of this thing the more cells will be dead so better we just go through life don't bother all these. life will be less stress like this. stress work is enough, don't stress between co workers and boss.

My guess would be either SME would have better opportunities( in terms of career progression ) or even better salaries because of the small pool of talents that they have available.
Not a lot of people, especially those with the appropriate skill sets would want to move from MNC to SME after many years of climbing the corporate ladder. MNCs once you reach mid to higher management you would probably be stuck there for quite a while, while at SME you have a higher chance of progression if you are performing.

There are many reasons. Why not ask these Managers directly since you know them? Isn't it better to find out from them?

The companies you named - there is one with high turnover. MNCs with its size - there are usually politics. And politics drive people away when they couldn't stand it or couldn't get to any camp. While Chinaman companies are so... Chinaman-style, the advantage as stated by avrilmae, is that there's less red tape and easier for you to get your work done or decisions made (supposedly).

Besides, a lot of people have started to prioritize work-life balance. MNCs especially FMCG can have very demanding working hours.

Agree with you on this, and, moving from MNC into Local SME would be a move for many people to stabilize their career and going for work-life balance.

How abour Pharma line MNC?

Got also but lesser sexy OL & also lesser competitors then u got higher chances

What is your question? What about it?

Im also having similar experience, most my manager coming from hot seat in GLC and liner company. Im thinking why on the earth they choose be with small company as me myself never had chance to feel working in MNC company. Pretty sure is about more salary and less stress since small number of worker.

so it is true after long years being in big company your vision become more clear?

hahha true man

sometimes it happens due to re-org and lose their position and they cant get into other MNCs, so no choice they have to catch what they are being offered, as they have families to feed. Of course in front of you, they cant say this, but have to-rephrase as working in small company is better and not too complicated. Whether they get better salary in smaller companies or not, that is also depending, small company also wouldnt purposely pay these people high pay as their revenue is also small.

you think given between MNC and small companies, people choose small companies ? really ? think again

This post has been edited by Dern: Apr 19 2017, 12:43 AM

damn...............


different ppl said different things...................


some said MNC is good, local comp is bad, and vice-versa......

who shall I trust??

This post has been edited by win7: Apr 19 2017, 01:14 AM

this is really common sense. small company got politics, big company also got politics. might as well work in big company with better prospect and better pay. those people who have worked in big companies, once got redundant or lost their positions of course will want to jump to other big companies, but the positions are much lesser than the people applying, so have to go to local companies as "Head of whatever dept", the title sounds better but the salary is different case, the workload is include mountain, sea and everything....of course in front of people will say, they report to the CEO but at the back, you dont see the work that they need to do versus the pay they get, it's totally not worth it(especially if you are an experience person).

these are all common sense.

PS : is Auric Chun Yip, Socma Trading called MNC ? sorry if im mistaken....just not familiar

This post has been edited by Dern: Apr 19 2017, 01:33 AM

hehe, my point of view are people always upgrading no downgrade so no matter how you must stay the level start before. It always be a same perception towards this issue because like you already in big name company why suddenly u coming small company which sometimes don't even has their own signboard ? ( yeah, its always about salary but benefit will be not same again)

My intention to start with small company because i able to do different task directly like office work to field work/operation. But it is normal to see small company not so care their staff welfare rather than big company. (im used to it, even have to book flight/hotel by yourself when outstation)

your phrase
'you think given between MNC and small companies, people choose small companies ? really ? think again '
- being in MNC surely your will have wider network or u know a lot people in your circle. Surely u know how to work from it. Unless u tried before but fail ist ok la.. economy factor so call

Trust yourself and your network, nuffsaid 'good deed payoff' ..

Wow, this thread still alive?

yes, with the current economy, it's hard to "upgrade". being in mnc, i think there's a tendency(not necessary) to follow the culture from the HQ country, be it Americas or European and not to mention a certain way of working to cater to having presence in multiple countries. network is always important, but i dont believe people who dont have network but are good in their work(this is where it will see the hiring manager's intelligence to see the person's skills) and not office politics cant get good job offers as well. in the working world, people can create any gossips(usually attacking on the personality) about that person, but eventually, work will speak for themselves.

having said that, of course there are MNCs that will lose it's culture due to the fact majority of the employee inside are of local content. it will evolve to become a more local behavioural style. To avoid having such environment, the HR should make a point for the company to make sure there are a same ratio(or almost) of races and gender and multiple personalities working in the office. This kind of working environment will benefit the company the most, though you cant help but politics will still happen.

This post has been edited by Dern: Apr 19 2017, 10:00 AM

They want to have a slower-pace and a stabilized life (more work life balance).