cktwai,

personally, i am a bit offended for you saying this person having "relation".

this guy started off in PETRONAS as an engineer, from Sarawak. now he is the CEO of one of the PETRONAS Refinery that turns a money-losing company to a 2 billion net profit a year, and growing.

based on your comments, i think your posts is the stupid one, and have racist perception.

talk to any non-bumis in petronas and ask them about racism in petronas...everyone have the equal , fair chances to upgrade themselves, unless they do not want to upgrade themselves.

pc123,

slb do offer higher salary compared to pet, but again, they're US-based company , where they already giving higher paycheck compared to pet. again, if you want more money, you must be ready to be squeezed harder by your employer...got also friends who join slb, then go back to petronas because tak tahan working at slb...

Wow, now got low e1 hi e1, very complex already...
Last time what makes the technical line complicated was the TP line for tech ppl to move up via tech line instead of managerial line. Then they hv problem not enuff line mgr so tech mgr has to manage ppl. Then introduced ACD now says too many young manager cos got many e1 go e2 in 5 yrs. Now do hi low to fill gap?

Pet Hr are funny and always never do proper longterm planning with their policy. Always firefighting.

those who are planning to go into the ACCA programme, i can share some info, from my friend who took it in 2004 under IT degree conversion in ACCA (after PETRONAS IT outsourced).

He joined completed ACCA and joined EY as auditor. After almost 4 years, he managed to get to senior exec in EY before being called back to PETRONAS, only to be offered E1 post (even with CA).Negotiate for E2 also cannot. He informed PET rep that he is not going to join if like that, and the rep mentioned about suing him in court. he left EY after that and join other co (which i would not name here). At the end, he had to pay back fees etc (did not have detail on this). Check the detail of the agreement before agreeing.

If you get into PET Group Internal Audit, then you'll be doing auditing the other PET subsidiaries. If you have worry about the bias, culture in petronas, think again. yes, some OPUs have different culture, mindset, culture but these kind of people is everywhere. From the big 4 into PETRONAS, you might get dissappointed if you stuck under a small OPU.

I had a friend joined PET from Maybank, he said culture / work environment Maybank > PET.

He joined PET for better salary and remuneration + old medical benefit scheme as he have family. He joined maybank as fresh grad.

Now he is doing ACCA on his own as a ticket to go out from PET as he heard PET will be doing some changes to old medical benefit scheme, which will be the reason to leave, apart from poor working environment, incapable superiors and politics.

Yes, you r right about no one ever would stuck forever, but then again it depends on your HoD. If u stuck with a HoD that is not very understanding on your career progression, it is super hard to get transfer if u became dept asset through your hard work. You can get transfer, but it will take time, this is especially outside kl hq office where not many young exec want to work.

wow, the level of spoon feeding on the expectations are
i assume those with 89-90s nick means they were born those years which explains the spoon feeding.

how does one, who went through all the interview, getting job offer and still asking details on the job? Is the job description not specifically mentioned in the job advert? shouldn't all these question asked to the technical manager that was in the interview session?

miaopurr : worried about travelling? then don't work la. if GTS no consulting business with OPUs, then GTS can close shop. Many GTS new engineer (so called consultants) are being sent to OPU to be train and gain experience, but some of them wanted to show that THEY are consultants and they know better than these senior engineers in OPU.

mzdiey : executive rotating job at plant? google la bro.

mangoman is very patient in answering the question. he has a lot of time to spare i believe

no tough workload, depends on where you are posted. some places, is challenging and the people there are sought after (by vendor,contractor,middle east), esp plant environment with JV. many left after 5 to 7 yrs as they are stuck in between senior post and middle mgmt. exit is the way up.

can't do much on having too many Bumis > most of them are the scholars that has been given the loan and most of them can't wait to join to browse internet/chatting during work.

i'm not sure whether current practice is either the hiring manager is not telling you much or the candidates are nervous or not sure what to ask.
hiring managers usually the technical manager for the department, while there might be E3/TP Staff will be your immediate superior.

offer letter will of course usually specify your title (unless its a seeding position) as HR only takes the box position from org chart.

maninyellow not many JV plant environment in petronas , locally.

chibimoon yes, there are challenging posts, technically, physically, mentally challenging. but the mentality of being inefficient are abundant across the BU. meetings day in day out. even meetings scheduled after office our as the dept head is too busy meeting during normal office hours. meetings and discussion for a discussion that can be made in 10-15 minutes between the mgrs but need meetings to ensure decision is accepted unanimously for future taichi.
and these middle managers that is not technically competent enough that needs their E2/E1 to stayback at office , to standby for meeting for nothing. Very, very inefficient i would say. sooner or later, it will become a typical bumiputra company.

how about the common food fest in each department pantries , every Friday where time for break spent more than working. each OPU has this practice, based on my observation.

from top to bottom , if not improved, PETRONAS will sink one day.

Have you read your agreement? They have every rights to consider you breaching contract = full payment. but usually you can appeal and its up to them to decide. or you could contact esu to arrange for payment based on your result, e.g 2nd class upper =10% , but don't tell em you are quitting . when your arrangement of repayment is approved u can quit.

As per my previous exp , nvr heard abt prorated to years of svc

Azraeil, since 2007? Hmm i wonder why few of my friends were being slapped with warning letter regarding breach contract then appeal.

thanks mangoman ! did not hear from any resigning colleague recently.

Maybe they are now accepting the fact that they could not keep their scholars forever or at least 10yrs .

bah, patah kaki can still sit on bed and come to office/clinic...no mc / no LTI.
everyday got chaffeur pickup n send back to home

company discretion means many thing. one of it they would not even pay your bonus if you tender before the bonus cutoff (which is not declared anywhere in the executive handbook - unless they have updated, even if u serve full financial year, which many perm staff wait to jump ship after receive bonus by 24hr notice or 1mth notice.
still worth it, than doing it nicely with 3mth notice.

move on. you never test the outside environment, you never know what is your potential outside petronas.
petronas environment is so toxic these days. Yes boss culture getting prevalent and those who work smart and hard found themselves not a valuable asset anymore.

at least outside you do not need to do all the ridiculous initiatives and HSE audits as part of your KPI which do not bring value cos everyone are required to do so.
Your senior colleague did went out and come back? If if its similar and in Msia, go for it.

If Medical is one thing holding u, so be prepared to buy your own insurance , esp with family and kids.

This post has been edited by keii-kun: Oct 9 2013, 10:55 PM

duplicated posting

This post has been edited by keii-kun: Oct 9 2013, 10:54 PM

HR, you can ignore them. Just consider it is already accepted. Give them deadline to accept, by giving a official formal letter. Then they will act.
Just that, if you love the company, leave with honor and reputation intact. Doors will open again, when the time is right.



read the thread, it was mentioned many times on how people successfully applied.

This post has been edited by keii-kun: Oct 19 2013, 09:52 PM