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alhakam88
post Sep 12 2012, 10:39 PM

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QUOTE(congji @ Sep 10 2012, 08:12 PM)
Hello,
i need some advise from your guys,
i already attend my SI and i received an email from hr that i have to attend pre employment medical examination, and i aleady doing my check up, my question is, i have wait approximate 3 weeks the result. My question is
1. How long i must wait to get the medical result? anyone from this thread canshare their experience?
2.  I read thisthread,  that hr will send offer letter, when can i the offfer letter?  is it after medical examination?
3.  The offer letter is post to our adress or we have to go to klcc to get it.
Kindly advise. Tq.
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From my experience, i get back my medical result after 3 weeks. I did my medical checkup at klinik wilayah labuan. It was very slow for me. I advised, you should do your medical checkup at PUSRAWI and you will get the result in the same day.

For my case, my offer letter was prepared before my medical result was out. After the HR issued medical checkup letter, they issued my offer letter three days after that since medical result can be issued within 3 days. They just need to see that you are fit to work with Petronas. That's all.

The HR will ask you to come to klcc to pick up your offer letter, that's for my case. They will explain about the offer and forms you needed to fill and send them back to HR. You will need one to two days to fill the forms.


Added on September 12, 2012, 10:54 pmI will be joining Petronas1 oct. I am seconded to PRSB.

I heard, there will be technical allowances for those who are doing technical things apart from the basic salary.

Since my background is petroleum engineering, I will be group under skg10. Anybody know what is skg10.

thanks

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post Sep 20 2012, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE(hj.pet @ Sep 20 2012, 05:06 PM)
i guess this question is for bro azraeil to answer smile.gif

continuing from our previous posts in the oil n gas thread, u've mentioned that u were with PRSB for 7 years. i'm assuming u started ur career with them once graduated? n i'm assuming u'r with PCSB rite now? i've got an interview with PRSB next week on researcher post under r & d eor unit, technology & engineering division. i've got some questions regarding on the post:-

1. could u please share what is the job nature of being a researcher for PRSB? i'm assuming that my job will mainly focusing on the research proposal n spend most of my time in lab?
2. as per my reading on the oil and gas and this thread, please correct me if i'm wrong. does PCSB mainly handles all the e & p nature of the oil & gas business in msia and PRSB business totally depends on the grant given by PCSB?
3. from my limited research and readings on the oil & gas industry in msia, the eor activities in msia is going to accelerate given that PETRONAS has change its direction towards marginal field and eor activities in msia. is this statement true?
4. can i safely say that if i ever get employed by PETRONAS under this unit, i could have a progressive and good career ahead of me compared to other units/division?
5. i'm assuming that working with PRSB will hamper my chances on getting involve with the field activities of the industry, is it? i just think it's kinda wrong to start a career with research activities with a limited field experience. could u comment a little bit on this?

thank u in advance bro azraeil for willing to answer all these questions smile.gif
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post Sep 20 2012, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(hj.pet @ Sep 20 2012, 10:06 PM)
thank u for the wish. maybe u might give some idea on those questions i've asked before? smile.gif
hehe sorry for the amount of the questions asked. anyway thanks again in advance for replying those questions. i'll try to simplify them whenever i have any questions in the future. well, i guess u've got to change to iPhone 5? bigger screen? tongue.gif
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Actually I am not experienced enough to answer all that questions. sweat.gif I will be starting working at PRSB (joining EOR R&D) in three weeks time. 1 October is my first day reporting at PIPE. So I am also new.

I am looking forward for bro azraeil answers. notworthy.gif But I had one month exposure doing on the job training with PRSB this year before I joined mudlogging company. I can try answer your question and my answer may not be correct.

1. could u please share what is the job nature of being a researcher for PRSB? i'm assuming that my job will mainly focusing on the research proposal n spend most of my time in lab?

I think that is what u will be doing most of the time. Often times, u will have to attend a lot of meetings at KLCC. (projects team and supplier) U will spend time in the lab doing core flooding experiment (a lot of new and expensive equipment for EOR are coming in). But u will learn a lot about EOR especially chemical flooding and WAG optimisation. Maybe, when they are doing pilot project, u will have the chance to go offshore (maybe once in six months) smile.gif . When u joined PRSB, I think u will be placed in the same team as mine.

2. as per my reading on the oil and gas and this thread, please correct me if i'm wrong. does PCSB mainly handles all the e & p nature of the oil & gas business in msia and PRSB business totally depends on the grant given by PCSB?[color=blue]

Yes that is true. Most of the projects for PRSB are funded either by PCSB or EEPTC. Lots of projects are coming in as Petronas are now putting a lot of money to squeeze more oil from depleting fields. The projects are mixed of local and overseas fields.

3. from my limited research and readings on the oil & gas industry in msia, the eor activities in msia is going to accelerate given that PETRONAS has change its direction towards marginal field and eor activities in msia. is this statement true?

True according Petronas 2011 annual report. You can read that for more info. Petronas signed billion dollar deal with Shell to develop EOR project.

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...2505&sec=nation

4. can i safely say that if i ever get employed by PETRONAS under this unit, i could have a progressive and good career ahead of me compared to other units/division?[COLOR=blue]

hmm.gif i am not sure about this. The manager for EOR group is a very good and kind person. I met some people joined this group because of her.

5. i'm assuming that working with PRSB will hamper my chances on getting involve with the field activities of the industry, is it? i just think it's kinda wrong to start a career with research activities with a limited field experience. could u comment a little bit on this?


unsure.gif I am not sure about this too. I was in mudlogging for few months, and I see that it is hard for me to become a reservoir engineer. But, in PRSB I can see my way to become a reservoir engineer since EOR is also part of reservoir engineering. If u want to be a drilling engineer, later u can apply with PCSB once u are in Petronas. I do realize it is very difficult for me to get in Petronas and I don't always get what I want. For me, keep working on what u have, don't stop learning and keep working achieving my dream job.

I also have the same questions in my mind. Maybe bro azraeil notworthy.gif can answer this questions much better than me. I am actually looking forward for this answers. Thank you for posting all the questions. Thanks bro azraeil in advance.

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post Sep 21 2012, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(azraeil @ Sep 21 2012, 04:02 PM)
When I joined PRSS a looong time ago, there were 2 main job for PRSS, it's basically the lab department for PETRONAS (in competition with Core Lab basically) and also the custodian for the Core Warehouse (previously in Hulu Langat and now moved to Ulu Klang). It does applied research (not many pure research which the previous CEO wanted to leave it to the Universities) and also technical services. I was involved mostly with Technical Services (something like a consulting arm for Petronas). I actually started 3D static modeling work while I was in one of the project in the technical services line of work.

I believe now, PRSS has been restructured where they don't do technical services anymore and mostly concentrate on applied research and specializing in EOR. So you mostly will be involved in the EOR projects most of the time probably doing core flooding, Special Core Analysis (SCAL) and based on what I hear, they are bringing those expensive equipment etc so you should have the state of the art equipment to do all your work.

After PRSS I joined PMU and actually was involved in pushing all the operators to implement EOR. Before I left we managed to make sure that ExxonMobile implement EOR for the 95 PSC fields (Guntong/Seligi/Tapis) and for Shell to implement EOR in the Baram Delta (The EOR PSC that they signed last time around worth 37 billion) and for Carigali to implement EOR for Angsi  and Dulang field.

EPTC is the E&P Technology Center and they are responsible for coming up with the EOR FDP so they will be PRSB main client. Angsi will be a chemical flooding EOR, Dulang is Immiscible WAG (Water Alternating Gas) EOR, Tapis/Seligi/Guntong will be an immiscible WAG as well (may involving CO2 as well) and the Baram Delta was plan for a CO2 flooding but I think it will be immiscible WAG as well.

The EOR Head in PRSS is a friend of mine and she is very nice. The head in EPTC was my previous boss but he is a slave driver so be wary.

As for career, well it depends, if you want to specialize in reservoir engineer in terms of the technical detail of it, then PRSS is the place to stay but I do recommend you getting some operational experience as well. I have gaps in my skills with regards to the operation side of things because I jumped directly into doing static models (which is a specialised field) and the thing I would change is probably spend some more time in Carigali (maybe 4-5 years). But you work with what you're given.

There is always chance for you to move to different OPU but if you spend too much time and experience in the lab, then your movement opportunity is limited. If you spend it say doing lab work (PVT, SCAL, Core Flooding) and then using those experience to help you in doing reservoir simulation  work, then the opportunity is endless.

Good luck!
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Thanks bro azraeil for thoughtful insight. I heard the head of EPTC is the best reservoir engineer in Malaysia...
alhakam88
post Nov 10 2012, 03:02 PM

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Bro Azraeil,

I heard in PRSB, it is harder now to transfer to Carigali or elsewhere. The most that I heard is EPTC. I guess I will be in PRSB for quite a while.

QUOTE(azraeil @ Nov 10 2012, 02:47 PM)
It happens all the time. Most PMU staff that I worked with previously are now the big shots in Carigali and vice versa. I think the process goes like this, if you want to transfer, approach the department head or the middle manager of the department that you'd like to transfer to. If the have vacancies, they'll ask for your resume (internally of course) and if they like the fit, they will contact your current department for the possibility of transfer. Also, once you're set into wanting to transfer, write in your PPA in the comments section that you'd like to broaden your horizon etc and that you'd like to request for a transfer to X department in x OPU. It's a slow process but if the other department has persuasive boss, he should be able to get you in.


Added on November 10, 2012, 2:48 pm

You should try either Petronas Research (they have labs and they usually requires Chemist) or EPTC which is involved in EOR projects in Malaysia.
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post Nov 13 2012, 07:38 AM

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Bro Azraeil,

It is true that Saudi Aramco hire people on 2 years contract and they want new hire to teach Saudi people. Until their people become competent enough to replace the expat then they will not renew the employment contract.
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post Nov 14 2012, 07:52 PM

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For the technical allowance, u will get it after 1 year. I asked people around me who just confirmed 2 weeks ago and who just completed a year.
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post Nov 14 2012, 09:26 PM

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QUOTE(AtMostFear @ Nov 14 2012, 09:09 PM)
after 1 year including probation period? anyway, doesn't the HR explain about this during PIPE or is it already mentioned in the Employee Handbook?

anyway a friend of mine is looking for a room starting this December at Petronas Penapisan Melaka, anyone with contacts please PM me.
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6 months probation period, it is explained in the offer letter
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post Nov 14 2012, 11:22 PM

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i was once asked hr about salary scheme between non-technical and technical personnel, it is confidential. so i know very little about it.

today, there is no technical allowance, it is absorbed into the salary. So after 1st year, the technical people will get higher increment compare to non-technical.

I also know that there is salary increment based on PPA.
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post Nov 15 2012, 08:35 PM

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QUOTE(jc87 @ Nov 15 2012, 06:59 PM)
If like that, I am in tier 3...huhu
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Even u r in tier 3, still better than other industry. Starting salary for fresh grad is 4k. Not many company offer that kind of salary for starting. Petronas is oil n gas company, that' s why petronas pay more to technical people especially in tier 1. If it is the same, many staff will resign and move other oil n gas company. Even now, people still leave the company.
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post Nov 15 2012, 09:02 PM

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QUOTE(pandikar @ Nov 15 2012, 07:13 PM)
Wallaweh.. It's higher than I'd expected.. Nice2 smile.gif
Duly noted.

Btw bro, does this tech allowance stay at rm800 throughout our service in Petronas? Or will it be increased once we're promoted to E2, E3 and so on?
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I am also still figuring this out. From what i know, there is increment about 1-2k from e1 to e2 and more for e2 to e3. E4 and above will get special allowance like car about 1.5k and other allowances. Plus u r entitled first class business travel for E4 and above.

That are the perks when u r promoted. It takes time and often time longer than expected. it is expected to 3-5 years to be e2 and so on. But i meet people are staying in e1 more than 7 years. It is also based on your ACD, where u have to meet certain technical competency critirea in order to be promoted. If u can close all the gap faster in ACD, u get promoted faster.

For me, i see that it is challenging for me to meet all the requirement. I have to find my own time to learn. So it is rezeki.... if u work where all your jobscopes are in ACD is very good. U get promoted faster.


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post Nov 15 2012, 09:07 PM

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QUOTE(azraeil @ Nov 15 2012, 06:44 PM)
If you read the previous post, I don't believe so.

Tier 1 : Geologist/Geophysicist, Reservoir/Petroleum Engineers, Drilling Engineers (Basically SKG09 & SKG10)
Tier 2: Mechanical engineering etc
Tier 3: All others such as HRs/Finance etc.
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But now drilling is not skg10 anymore. It is move to skg25. I heard it is going to be tier 0 which is above tier which going to get the highest increment compared to all.
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post Nov 15 2012, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(pandikar @ Nov 15 2012, 09:17 PM)
Yup. Drilling is now in all new skg25.


Added on November 15, 2012, 9:21 pm

Nothing surprising here actually. I've met someone who has been in E1 for 8 years, refusing to be promoted because of personal reasons.
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Getting promoted is not easy as many people think. But now, HR is going to revised promotion garde from 7 grades to 14 grades to ease people to be promoted. Last time you need to achieve 80% of ACD to be E2. With new scale, 50% you can move the next grade.

So, where is skg25? tier?
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post Nov 16 2012, 12:48 AM

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QUOTE(hj.pet @ Nov 16 2012, 12:22 AM)
bro, let's ask to transfer for skg25? hahaha
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I wished...if that is possible. Getting hardship allowances (1600 monthly) and offshore allowance (85 per day).

Hmm..I am still wondering, what does drilling engineer do?

I see that most (if not all) of drilling works are done by services companies and drilling contractors. Starting from spudding a well, drilling, wireline, casing, cementing and completion are all done by services company. Even drilling monitoring is done by mudlogging company. Setting TD for a well is decided by geologists. Drilling fluid and solid control are maintained and monitored by mud engineer. Drilling (building, drop and maintain angle) a well technically done directional driller. All dirty and hard works like making up BHA, tripping in/out DP..by rig crews

I don't think fresh grad drilling engineer can be company/night man. They are not competent enough to manage a drilling rig. Becoming a company man requires many years of offshore experiences mainly on drilling operations.

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post Nov 16 2012, 09:15 PM

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QUOTE(mangoman @ Nov 16 2012, 03:43 AM)
Partially right. Now you have high and low for each grade. i.e. E1 has E1 high and E1 low, E2 has E2 high and E2 low, etc.
E1 low to E1 high, you need to achieve ACD 50%, achieved rating 2 before or achieve consecutive 2times rating 3 within 3 years and etc. The increment will be RM500. From E1 high to E2 low, you need to achieve ACD 80% and etc. Will roll out in Nov.
When I go through my ACD TI&R Ruler (reservoir technology sub-discipline of RE), there is no E1, it starts with E2 (level 3) with an average rating 1. Can u explained, I am a bit confused here. Plus mine has base, key, pacing and emerging.

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Added on November 16, 2012, 9:24 pm
QUOTE(amely @ Nov 16 2012, 08:40 PM)
I also just got offer from Petronas.but will at SCM department
When will you be starting at
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AT prsb, intern get rm800

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post Nov 17 2012, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(mangoman @ Nov 16 2012, 11:54 PM)
Coz you already at E1 so that's why no E1 column. In order for you to go to E2, you need to refer to the E2 column.
P/S: In other words, you need to achieve 50%/80% in base and key for you to move to E1 high/E2 low.
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post Nov 17 2012, 05:48 PM

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Yay... Petronas marriage policy has been revoked

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post Nov 17 2012, 06:14 PM

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QUOTE(azraeil @ Nov 17 2012, 05:54 PM)
That was one of the stupidest policy by the previous VP of HR (Now one of EVP). Some say that he cannot even go to his office because he felt so "panas". The main people affected by that policy was the non-exec so you can imagine how pissed off they were. I don't know where he got his advice from nut obviously it was a boneheaded idea.
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I thought the policy can be revoked now because Hassan Marican is no longer with Petronas. I am wrong then..
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post Nov 17 2012, 06:56 PM

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QUOTE(azraeil @ Nov 17 2012, 06:38 PM)
Very difficult to revoke the policy when the guy who came up with it is the EVP of Petronas now. He must loathed to eat crow now ....
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oic...

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post Nov 17 2012, 07:12 PM

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QUOTE(one2ka4 @ Nov 17 2012, 07:08 PM)
still got opening? tongue.gif
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The best advise I can give...apply through discoverpetronas

I know it is disappointing.

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