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post Sep 11 2011, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(Tomatoketchup @ Sep 10 2011, 05:17 PM)
Thanks azraeil, really thank you for the explanation. Yes, precisely what you are mentioning, they get a big project, as such, they need more planner to be in (I was told). Well, no matter what, I will still take this opportunity to try if that r part of the JD. Thanks a million!
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No problem. Glad to be of help. I'm pretty sure part of the JD will involve doing some economic analysis as well (sinking cost, hurdle rate, IRR etc etc) and that is probably why they are looking at getting some experienced personnel from the Banking industry to have a go at it as well. Petroleum economics is slightly different (especially i you are dealing with Gas) so you might want to have a read on Petroleum Economics as well.
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post Sep 11 2011, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(noruazumi @ Sep 11 2011, 09:33 AM)
Nice! Upstream or downstream?
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Upstream.
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post Sep 12 2011, 06:46 PM

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QUOTE(Tomatoketchup @ Sep 12 2011, 11:16 AM)
wow....u r so well verse in this planner job...eveything you said is exactly stated, petroleum econs...yeah, i guess gotta get myself familiar with this thingy. Thanks alot azraeil! if you does not mention...i tot u r from HR dept...
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Nope not from HR. I was in the Management unit before in PETRONAS so I had to go through the entire life-cycle with the operator for every field in Malaysia. All the PSC Operators had to present the plans to us before they can proceed so we will start asking them about the economics, the production rate, what's the estimated plateau and all sort of stuff. I'm a geologist actually but I love being able to go into the entire cycle.
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post Sep 13 2011, 12:48 AM

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QUOTE(forrest @ Sep 12 2011, 07:17 PM)
sounds like.. PMU?
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Correct.
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post Sep 13 2011, 10:27 AM

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I would not know the exact detail but PMU was working with coming up on a proposal for developing the acid gas field (which is basically gas field that has a high concentration of CO2, H2S and other contaminants). The big 15 billion dollar project in the JDA is probably the main target. Project management is basically that, you will probably be responsible for making sure that the operators are following the proper schedule, within the agreed costs and all those things that come with PM jobs

PMU is the Division in PETRONAS group that is responsible for approving ALL development plans by the Operators. PMU is like the Ministry of Oil (since Malaysia does not have one) and they monitor/cover ALL the operators in Malaysia. PCSB is an operator similar to ExxonMobil/Shell/Talisman etc so they too have to present their work and get the approval from PMU.
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post Sep 13 2011, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(Tomatoketchup @ Sep 13 2011, 06:32 AM)
Dear Azraeil,

I just got a call from Carigali Hess, asking me to go for an interview session. I tot they won't be calling me so fast. i am unprepared because it's on this week. Do you know what kind of questions that they will probably ask? Any recommendation to read on certain material? I am both excited and nervous. Further, i am not sure about the petroleum market....can i get a rough idea of the range of salary that they will offer for a planner? Thanks alot!
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Good Luck. I'm not privy to how the interview session goes with CHess. My headhunter is also pushing me to go to CHess but we'll see. I would recommend you read-up on the Oil industry in Malaysia (probably have some articles in the inetrenet) or maybe if you have the time look-up for Datuk Paddy Bowie's Book on Petronas - A Vision realized (I think) (thoughI'm not sure if it's relevant to your interview)

Have an idea about Petroleum Economics and also how the Gas Market works in Malaysia which is probably relevant since that's the concentration of what CHess operation is on.

Good Luck!
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post Sep 13 2011, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(Tomatoketchup @ Sep 13 2011, 08:01 AM)
Thanks alot azraeil! i will try to search thru as recommended. Really appreciate your advice. Have a nice day!
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You're most welcome. Good Luck!
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post Sep 14 2011, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(ssmuhd84 @ Sep 14 2011, 04:09 AM)
After read thru from the 1st pg until now, it really nice to work in the profit making company, regardless msian co. or oversea owned...

In term of salary and bonus is marvellous (4moths- accross the board; additonal if perform n extra months if extraordinary). Even without car loan n hse loan, i think the salaray scale could cover your loans...

Compared with me, in statutory body...no bonus accross the board..Every things (bonus + increment) are based on your "pointer" at end of the year..
For average person, we could increment around 7% n 3-month bonus only..

So guys, those got an offer in OnG..pls pleased with urself..
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Previously the so called benefits was one of the reasons HR was very reluctant to make the salary competitive. I was in a task force that mentioned that this "invisible" benefits was doing more harm than good. It is better if you raise the salary scheme (especially for the technical people) by 40-50% and let them decide on what benefits they want. I mean car loans in Petronas was at 4% revolving interest (which is equivalent to 2% fixed rate on the amount of loan Petronas was giving out) and the market outside was giving around 2.2% fixed rate ... what do you like better, a 30% increase in salary or getting the car loans internally ...

Same goes with the housing loan, yes the rate is a bit higher outside, but if your salary is high enough, not only will it allow the company to retain good skilled people but it will attract people from the outside to join as well.

Took them 5 years to implement ... by that time, I was gone (fed-up to see that nothing was being done .... not until my initiative leader became the President/CEO of Petronas) ...

Anyway, I still say that working in Petronas is a lot of fun and I would not hesitate to return there (maybe when the kids have gone to college) to "berbakti" to the nation again I guess.
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post Sep 16 2011, 02:52 AM

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Minimum 8k I would say. I would not say that you don't have experience, since you have 8 years in the banking line which is relevant in the position. Since this is CHess and not Petronas, you should actually be able to ask for higher pay as the company should not be following the Petronas pay scale. Maybe 10k perhaps?
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post Sep 17 2011, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(Tomatoketchup @ Sep 17 2011, 03:31 AM)
I didn't put my expected salary during interview...do not know whether they want me or not also....cos what i am doing now is totally different from what they are mentioning but both the senior managers arevery nice people...we have chat for nearly 2 hours...they are good in giving encouragement and also letting me know that they will arrange for training for me, so I need not to worry bout the sudden change in job scope. If they ever take me, I guess I will definitely take up the post.

Azraeil, what you said is totally true, calculation on cost, budget and so on, that's what I had been told on my job function. I wonder how much they will offer me looking at that I am currently very very underpaid....
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Good luck. Yes, CHess as one of the operators hsould have a good training program and knowing your background you should be able to get a grasp on all the terminalogy and the system real fast.

As for salary, as I said before, it's a personal thing. I just received an offer for RM70K (and my wife still think that it's not so good .. sheesh) but a 10-12K offer for you may be satisfactory. What I always say is that think about the future potential and go from there.
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post Sep 17 2011, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(Tomatoketchup @ Sep 17 2011, 11:42 AM)
Yeah, probably....someone being paid by $1000 will think $5000 is a lot, but for those who get paid $5000, they always think that it's not enuf....expectation different when we already reach there.
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Exactly. I bet you after 5 years working as a planner, your market value will increase a couple of fold (maybe looking at 20-25K a month) as the O&G industry is always in need of people with skill like yours by then.
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post Sep 18 2011, 01:07 AM

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QUOTE(positive energy @ Sep 17 2011, 02:14 PM)
Hi, Azraeil

I have several question as i need Oil&gas guru's opnion.How about planner position in oil&Gas subsea equipments manufacturing based like Cameron,technip, FMC? What i wanna know is planner future prospects in 10-20 yrs.I'm chemical engineering graduate.
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Apologies, my knowledge is rather limited with regards to the subsea equipments. All I know is that there are subsea flow meters etc and not much about te industry behind it. I'm a geologist by background so I'm more of the upstream (reservoir stuff etc).

Maybe some other members can assist you in this aspect.
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post Sep 18 2011, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(positive energy @ Sep 18 2011, 06:00 AM)
that's fine. thank you for ur effort to reply,
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No problem, happy to help and share knowledge in areas I have some experience in.
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post Sep 18 2011, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(Tomatoketchup @ Sep 18 2011, 09:17 AM)
Azraeil,
Since u r familiar with planner job function, can I get some advice from you on reading material and practices that I can obtain in the net as references? Cos I am rather blur on oil n gas industry. Previously you recommended some reading materials for my interview session, now I was wondering is there any resources or web that I can refer about the calculation, analysis and the importance of result in decision making....well, I do not know whether they will take me or not but I start to get interested in this topic, further, if i am lucky enough, there will be three months for me to get prepared.

I am also quite curious, during my interview, there wasn't any test, I read thru from the first post, there were some kind of test, it is compulsory or it is meant for fresh grad.?

Thanks a lot, ur comment is appreciated
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The test is usually associated if you went for an interview with PETRONAS, Carigali Hess is a completely different company than PETRONAS (Though Carigali is part of the PETRONAS Group) so that is one of the reason I think you didn't have any test during your interview.

As for reading material, go for Petroleum Economics books (maybe from the net or from Kinokuniya if they have it), a little bit of fundamental of Petroleum Engineering (no need to read-up on the scientific stuff) maybe understand about the production forecast and production profile (production decline etc) and Risk Management/Analysis in the Petroelum Industry.

The books obviously are expensive. Have a look at http://store.spe.org/ and there are several books on decision making in the Oil and gas industries etc. Planners are usually associated with Petroleum Engineering so once you're in the planner line of work, you'll most likely be joinig the SPE (Society of Petroleum Engineers). The society has tons of materials that you can buy (papers/publication etc). I'm with a company that has unlimited download of SPE Papers . Go to OnePetro.org and do a search on any title that may be relevant to you. PM me the SPE paper number and I'll download it and pass it to you if you are interested.
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post Sep 18 2011, 06:01 PM

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QUOTE(Tomatoketchup @ Sep 18 2011, 11:23 AM)
Thanks for replying azraeil! Wow...society of petroleum engineers...something which sound so superb...suddenly I feel so inferior...I am not an engineer...over the time, do you think they will require me to take an engineer degree? Does most of the planners are with engineering background?

Thanks a lot for offering to download the material. Very kind of you indeed! You are a big help...well, let me do some searching first, not to kacau you at the moment, I hope I can still ask you when I don't understand what i am reading.

Thanks a lot azraeil. Really. Have a nice day
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Don't worry, I'm a geologist and I am a member of SPE as well. They don't require you to be an engineer to be a member but they do require you to either be a student doing something related to the O&G or be working in the O&G company (that's just a guess and I might be wrong).

Do not worry about your background, once you secure the position as a planner and once you know how everything works in the division/dept, no one will ask what your background is. One of the best reservoir simulation engineer who wrote basically the bible on reservoir simulation has a background in Chemical Engineering, one of the best Petrophysicist that I know has a degree in Aeronautical Engineering before he went and became a petrophysicist .... the industry is such that we require people who are willing to learn and gain experience on-hand. Once you work there for 4-5 years, you'd be surprise that maybe you will have an opportunity to do a Masters degree in Petroleum Economics etc ... who knows right?

Anyway, here's hoping that you get the position that they interviewed you for.
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post Oct 8 2011, 03:36 PM

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Azman,

Got your Pm and have replied to it. As mentioned in my PM, it all depends on the position you are after, if you are in the Tier 1 group, then obviously you should be asking a higher monthly salary. Any new employer will give you a 30% increase from what you are currently earning now so that would be a safe minimum to ask.

I don't believe they will hold you to the numbers you mentioned in the chit-chat.
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post Oct 9 2011, 12:55 PM

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Good Luck Azman and Insyaallah berjaya!
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post Oct 10 2011, 01:47 AM

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QUOTE(Macca @ Oct 9 2011, 03:34 PM)
Hi,

Where does Production Chemistry lies in the organization of Petronas? Thanks..
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Petrochemicals maybe?
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post Nov 15 2011, 03:36 PM

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PCSB is involved in the upstream side of the business and RAPID down in Johor is more towards the downstream side (Petrochemical etc etc). Basically RAPID is the Gebeng/Kerteh of Johor.

I think your background is more suited towards the upstream facilities side. They have a department that is full of facilities engineers (mechanical engineering background) that are responsible for the designs of all the upstream facilities etc.
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post Nov 16 2011, 01:07 PM

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Why don't you follow up with them? Given that Petronas is very slow sometimes but it doesn't hurt to ask them about your status.


Added on November 16, 2011, 1:08 pm
QUOTE(stormchaser @ Nov 15 2011, 05:39 PM)
Currently any senior it post opened? Thsnks..
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PETRONAS no longer has an IT department (unless it's in the functional line such as those working as Linux Administrators for the Oracle/OpenWorks Geoframe Database). All IT positions are now with iPerintis.

This post has been edited by azraeil: Nov 16 2011, 01:08 PM

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